Minutes of the January, 2016 Heralds Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – January 10, 2016
(9:10 am to 12:00pm)

The meeting was held at the Concord Hilton, at 12th Night Coronation. The next five meetings will be held at Green Crown’s home (564 Broadmoor Blvd., San Leandro, CA 94577; email greencrownwest@yahoo.com for directions).

ATTENDEES:

Frederick of Holland, Vesper; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Seawolf; eilis o’Boirne, Latimer; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Astrith of Swansvale, Latimer; Daffyd Waleis, Exchequer, Dep. Seawolf, Nebuly; Kean de Lacy, Prince of the Mists, PaL; Maxen ap Morgan, PaL; Margaret Pye, PaL; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, PaL; Matilda fitz Richard, PaL; Danae Fitzroberts, PEaL; Aine inghean Tuathail, PEaL; Edith of Swansdale, Cornet; Jorgen Rasmussen; Linda Muriell von Katzenbrasse; Angus Duncan Cameron.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
Heralds’ Meetings for 2016: March 6, May 22, July 10, September 18, November 20, January 8, 2017 (at 12th Night). Meetings begin at 11AM, with walk-in processing no later than 10:30AM. “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

The DEADLINES for submission forms and documentation are: February 24; May 11; June 25; September 7; November 9; December 28. Submission forms must be complete, and received either via EMAIL or hardcopy by the deadline date at midnight to be considered at the next meeting (which is about 11 days later, except for June/July due to West-AnTir War). If the forms are EMAILED, then payment must arrive by the meeting day. WALK-IN submissions will only be considered if there is time, but in most cases will be delayed until the next meeting so that each submission can be reviewed fully.

Walk-in submissions may be held over until the following meeting at the discretion of Matins.


REPORTS

Vesper: “The college is going to be doing is the same thing we’ve been doing. We’ve got tournament season ramping up in the next month… or so. Wars on the horizon. People submitting or not as the case may be. I am continuing to be Vesper herald, so that I can get my deputy trained up. Yesterday I managed to for the first time in my life to sleep in too late but luckily my competent staff stepped in and took care of it. So, rather than ranting on for too much longer I’m going to turn the meeting over to Aine…”

Seawolf: No news

Sable Swan: No news

Stellanordica: No news

Exchequer: We have money, we haven’t spent any recently. We need to send more money to Laurel.

Matins (vacant - Green Crown reporting): No news

Green Crown: No news

Banner: The herald who handles the last court of the day needs to ensure that all materials are returned to Banner and in the bag.

Baldric: At Golden Beltane on the Monday there will be a Herald’s Collegium. Suggestions for classes included: Request that Master Alessandro the Voice Technique for voice heralds which has been done in the past. Gwenhwyfaer offered to teach voice. Latimer will bring the books and walk the heralds through the boxes. Class on projection against the wind. Ask Tangwystyl if she will teach “How to pronounce names you don’t recognize.” Note to tell heralds that as there will be no wifi on site, download a recent copy of the ordinary if bringing an electronic device.

Brachet: No news

Greencloak: No news

Latimer: There has been no change due to no tourneys.

Golem: There are no changes, everything continues to work correctly.

Archivist (Gwenhwyfaer): July 2015 batch of files going back to archives.


ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business

Laurel requires now 0 (zero) paper submissions – we need only one copy and Matins doesn’t mail anything to Laurel, just sends scans. Effective immediately we will only require from submitters:

Name submission: one copy and documentation
Device submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, with documentation if needed
Badge submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, documentation as needed
Money: $10 for name+device or name+badge, $6 for individual submissions.

Colored submissions are still required to be hand colored using markers, not crayons or pencils, and must be colored with “quality markers” so colors don’t change; we encourage the use of Crayola Classic markers. If the submission is not colored in true colors, the College is required to send it back.

SUBMISSIONS GUIDELINES

GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Vesper at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm.

BRACHET MEETINGS
The office of Brachet Herald was filled as of the September meeting; no commenting meetings are being held, but Brachet is brainstorming to try to do e-meetings. More news soon.


EXCERPTS FROM THE LOARS

The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

October 2016 LoAR (printed December 18, 2016) (West 14 July LoI)

Cover Letter

From Pelican: Giving Credit Where Credit is Due

Recently, we've had many instances where sources are not correctly cited in Letters of Intent. For example, the author's name or the article title is omitted, only a URL is provided, or an article is attributed to the hosting site rather than the individual who wrote it.

Not only does it make the Sovereigns' and commenters' job easier to have the full references, but it is important to cite the correct authors. We owe a great debt to those who have taken the time to prepare the articles we use, so a little more care is needed to ensure that they are credited every time we use their work. For sources written by non-SCA authors, it's essential that we have the full information so we can locate and verify the information as needed.

From Morsulus: On Da'ud encoding and DOT ABOVE and DOT BELOW

It was discovered that the Da'ud code {z.} was defined as both Z WITH DOT ABOVE and Z WITH DOT BELOW. This is clearly not a good thing. It has been fixed. The meaning of a dot in a Da'ud code is now consistent.

That is, El{z.}bieta Piekarska could have had the dot above or below the z, and trying to look it up in the table of Da'ud codes would not have helped you out.

{.*} now signifies * WITH DOT ABOVE, and {*.} signifies * WITH DOT BELOW, for all values of "*" from "a" to "z", upper and lower case (at least as far as those letters are already in the list).

What changed?

{.e} and {.E} for E WITH DOT ABOVE were added

{.I} was defined to be LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE where it had been {I.}.

{I.} was redefined to be LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT BELOW as it had been some time ago.

{.z} and {.Z} were redefined to be LETTER Z WITH DOT ABOVE instead of DOT BELOW.

This required recoding six names that used letters with DOT ABOVE. Those names are now coded as:

D{zv}iugint{.e} Litovka

El{.z}bieta Piekarska

El{.z}bieta Traidenyt{.e}

{.I}slah bint Yuhannah

G{u:}rc{u:} {.I}skender

Umm Davud Mihri bint {.I}skender

The names have not changed, just the Da'ud codes used for some of their letters.

The full chart at http://oanda.sca.org/data_symbols.html has been updated to reflect these changes.

From Wreath: Following up on fer-à-loup

Last month, in the registration of Marcus atte Bowe, in the Ansteorra section of the Letter of Acceptances and Returns, the SCA's default orientation for this charge was changed to match the medieval default. Thus, a fer-à-loup has the (rounded) blade to chief by default. We are reblazoning the registered ones as needed in the current letter.

West Acceptances - October LoAR

Angeleta Marina Castillo de Guzman. Device. Argent, a chevron cotised gules between two panthers combattant gardant vert incensed gules spotted argent and a pomegranate tree blasted proper fructed gules.

Belogor, Shire of. Branch name change from Shire of Crystalmist.
Submitted as Shire of Belogora, gora means "hill" in Russian. However, this element is found as -gor in attested place names. Although the submission form stated that no changes were allowed, the shire approved the change to Belogor after the Pelican decision meeting. We have made this change to register the branch name.

The shire's previous branch name, Shire of Crystalmist, is released.

Brogan Mer O Brogan. Name and device. Per chevron purpure and vert.

The Letter of Intent argued that Brogan is a possible given name, derived from the attested late period O Brogan. However, the April 2012 Cover Letter notes:
Bynames using O "male descendant (usually grandson)" were formed from the 7th to the 11th century; then they became frozen as inherited family names. These names were formed from a variety of kinds of bynames as well as given names.

Unless Brogan is found as a given name prior to the 11th century, we are unable to construct it from the late period O Brogan. Instead, we are able to document it as a late period English surname in the FamilySearch Historical Records, which can be used as a given name.

This name combines the English Brogan and Anglicized Irish O Brogan from the English/Welsh regional naming group and the Irish Mer from the Gaelic regional naming group. This an acceptable lingual mix under PN2C2 and Appendix C of SENA.

Carlo of Darkwood. Name (see RETURNS for device).
Darkwood is the registered name of an SCA branch.
Dante de Collino. Name and device. Sable, a hammer entwined by a serpent argent between flaunches embattled Or.

In commentary, Siren documented the use of the preposition de in Florence, where the locative Collino is found. Therefore, the byname (and name phrase) de Collino is appropriate for a single time and place as required by PN1B1 of SENA.

Denis of New Forest. Name and device. Per pale gules and argent, a cross counterchanged and in canton a ram's head cabossed argent armed Or.

The given name was not dated in the submitted spelling. Denis is dated to 1325 in the Middle English Dictionary, where it refers to the saint. It is also found as a given name in 16th and early 17th century English parish records in the FamilySearch Historical Records.

New Forest is a plausible lingua Anglica form of the attested Nova Foresta or Noveforest, documented in the Letter of Intent. We note that Metron Ariston also documented The New Forest in Watts, s.n. New Forest, dated to 1608, so the form Denis of The New Forest is also registerable.

Dietrich Dominikus. Name and device. Or, a double-headed eagle gules and on a chief embattled sable four crosses each of four lozenges Or.

Commenters questioned whether the instance of Dietrich cited in the Letter of Intent was a period or normalized form. It appears to have been dated to 1486, and is an italicized form, so it is likely to not have been normalized. We also note that this form is found as a given name in 16th century German parish records in the FamilySearch Historical Records.

Dominikus was also found in the FamilySearch Historical Records, as a Dutch byname from 1610.

This name combines a German given name and Dutch byname. This is an acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

Eibhilín inghean Uí Mhartain. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Eibhilín inghean Uí Martain, the byname needs to be lenited. We have changed the byname to Eibhilín inghean Uí Mhartain to register this name.

The submitter requested authenticity for an Irish name. Eibhilín is a Gaelic given name from 1498-1583. Anglicized Irish forms of the byname are found in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's article "16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/), so we can give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that Gaelic forms also were in use at this time. Therefore, this name is likely an authentic 16th century Irish Gaelic name, but we do not know for sure.

Elynor Palmer. Name and device. Per pale argent and azure, a compass star and on a chief wavy three escallops inverted counterchanged.

Nice 16th-17th century English name! We note that this exact name is found in a 1623 christening record (in the FamilySearch Historical Records).

There is a step from period practice for the use of a compass star.

Erik Larsson. Name and device. Vert, a phoenix Or rising from flames gules and on a chief argent a brown boar passant proper.

Neither the modern author nor the famous Disney animator named Eric Larson is important enough to protect.

Finn the Bald. Name and device. Argent, a hand sable, its thumb gules, within eight pommes in annulo.

The byname the Bald is a lingua Anglica form of the Gaelic Maol.

Please let the submitter know that charges in annulo should be distributed more regularly in a circle shape.

Francisco de Hinojosa. Name and device. Per fess argent and azure, a boar dormant sable and a silphium argent flowered Or.

Although Hinojosa is the submitter's legal surname, the byname de Hinojosa is not eligible for the legal name allowance due to the addition of the preposition de. Only the exact name phrase from the legal documentation is eligible for this allowance.

However, Chanson documented the submitted byname in period in The History of Mexico: 1521-1600 by Hubert Howe Bancroft, William Nemos, Thomas Savage, and Joseph Joshua Peatfield (p. 9; https://books.google.com/books?id=pisPAAAAYAAJ), dated to 1524. Skraeling Althing also documented De Hinojosa to 1586 in Spanish parish records (FamilySearch Historical Records). Therefore, the submitter need not rely on the legal name allowance.

This is the defining instance of a silphium. It was a plant that was used in classical antiquity as a seasoning and as a medicinal plant. Stylized depictions can be found, for example, on silver coins from Cyrene.

Hrothgar Uthersson. Device. Per saltire gules and sable, a tankard bendwise inverted Or.

Märda {O,}lfúss. Name and device. Argent, a tankard azure and on a chief sable a spoon reversed argent.

It was noted in commentary that the article cited in the Letter of Intent, "Swedish Feminine Names from ca. 1300" by Lindorm Eriksson (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/swedish1300female.htm), may have included a typographical or transcription error; therefore, it is possible that that Märda should have been Märta, Mærta, or Marta. We are giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt that the submitted form is found in the particular edition of the underlying source (Svenskt Diplomatarium) used to prepare the article.

Marie de Roelent. Name and device. Argent, three sea-horses contourny azure, a bordure parted bordurewise wavy azure and argent.

Merewen the Dark. Reblazon of device. Per chevron azure and sable, two suns and a crescent Or.

Reblazoned in June 2005 as Per chevron sable and azure, two suns and a crescent Or, the reblazon missed that the original also swapped the field tinctures.

Michael of Fox Wood. Badge. Quarterly azure and vert, a sheaf of arrows Or and in chief five spearheads inverted argent.

Mícheál Ó Foghladha. Name and device. Per chevron azure and gules, two mullets and a hammer fesswise reversed Or.

The submitter requested authenticity for "1300's Irish". The given name is dated to the 13th century. Forms of the byname are dated to the 11th century, but the submitted form is a hypothetical Gaelic form of an attested 16th or early 17th century Anglicized Irish byname. Therefore, the name does not meet the submitter's authenticity request, but it is registerable.

Muirgel ingen Gáethíne. Name.

Nice 9th century Irish name!

Roric Skaghen. Name change from Hr{oe}rekr í Skaginum and badge. Or, a bull's head cabossed and a bordure gules.

Roric is a plausible vernacular form of the attested Roricus, found in Danmarks Gamle Personnavne (DGP), vol. 1, part 2, s.n. Rørik. The same entry also includes spellings such as Rorik/Rørik and Røric, further supporting the submitted spelling.

The submitter's previous name, Hr{oe}rekr í Skaginum, is retained as an alternate name.

Seán Ó Labhradha. Name and device. Per chevron gules and sable, a serpent nowed between three spearheads inverted argent.

The submitter requested authenticity for an "Irish and/or Scottish Gaelic" name.

Seán is an Irish Gaelic given name dated between 1316 and 1602. The clan affiliation byname Ó Labhradha is a hypothetical Irish Gaelic form of an attested 16th-17th century Anglicized Irish surname. Therefore, this name may be an authentic late period Irish Gaelic name, but we do not know for sure.

Sextus Aurelius Ricimer Fortunatus. Name.

Sibéal inghean Alaxandair. Name and device. Per bend sinister purpure and sable, an arrow bendwise sinister Or enfiling two natural dolphins haurient embowed respectant argent.

The submitter requested authenticity for an "Irish/Gaelic" name. Sibeal is borrowed into Gaelic from English or French, and may not have been used by native Gaelic speakers. Therefore, we do not know if this name meets the submitter's request for authenticity, but the name is registerable.

Sigrdrif Hæilgæirsdottir. Name and device. Argent, a wolf-headed horse rampant sable between flaunches vert.

Syele Thorsdottir. Name change from Syele von der Rosen and badge. (Fieldless) Perched atop a closed birdcage Or a bird gules.

The given name Syele is grandfathered to the submitter. It is also an attested 15th century given name from Germany, so the submitter need not rely on the grandfather clause.

This name combines a German given name and Scandinavian byname. This is an acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

The submitter's previous name, Syele von der Rosen, is retained as an alternate name.

Theodericus Sturmere. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Thomas de Roelent. Name and device (see RETURNS for household name). Argent, a mantle gules corded Or and in chief a sword fesswise reversed, a chief indented azure.

Nice 11th century English name!

Vittorio Bardesano. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Vittorio Bardesono, the name was changed in kingdom to Vittorio Bardasano to use a similar attested byname.

The submitter requested authenticity for a 15th-16th century Italian name. The given name is a 16th century Venetian name. Documentation to support the submitted byname could not be found directly. The byname Bardesano is found in Supplementum supplementi delle croniche del venerando padre frate Iacobo Philippo (https://books.google.ca/books?id=BfX0Wm03YHYC). Another form, Barda'sano is found in La cronologia ecclesiastica del reuer by Onofrio Panvinio in 1592 (https://books.google.ca/books?id=BfX0Wm03YHYC&pg=PT733). The submitter preferred the spelling Bardesano, as it is closer to what was submitted. We have made this change.

Yasamin al-Dimashqiyyah. Name change from Blase di Angelo and device change. Per bend sinister purpure and vert, a strawberry flower bendwise sinister argent slipped and leaved vert and a scimitar bendwise sinister argent.

Submitted as Yasmin al-Dimashqiyyah, the spelling Yasmin is not found in our period. Therefore we have changed the given name/ism to the attested Yasamin with the submitter's permission to register this name.

The submitter requested authenticity for a 14th century Persian name. A wholly Persian form of this name is Yasaman Dimashqi. The submitter, however, preferred the wholly Arabic form of the name.

The submitter's previous name, Blase di Angelo, is released.

Blazoned on the LoI as a jasmine flower, the depiction does not match our documentation for jasmine, which appears to have four petals. We have reblazoned this as a strawberry flower, which has five petals.

The submitter's old device, Checky argent and gules, a legless wyvern displayed and a chief sable, is released.

West Returns - October LoAR

Carlo of Darkwood. Device. Per fess wavy argent and azure all goutty counterchanged.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Gwendolen Silvermist: Per pale wavy azure, goutty d'eau, and argent, goutty de larmes. There is only one DC for changing the field.

Additionally, this device is returned for redraw. Per the March 2013 Cover Letter "Teardrop shaped gouttes are registerable as long as they are elongated, more than twice as long as they are wide." On redraw, the submitter should either use the more period form with a wavy tail and/or draw the gouttes longer.

Eibhilín inghean Uí Martain. Device. Purpure, a wolf's head erased contourny and in chief two triquetrae argent.

This device is returned for redraw. Please instruct the submitter on the proper way to draw erasing: either three or four prominent, pointed jags on the erasing, as described on the Cover Letter to the November 2001 LoAR:

Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved.

Alternatively, the submitter could decide to resubmit the primary charge as a wolf's head couped.

Golden Playne, Canton of. Device. Vert, a five-headed naga glissant to sinister heads erect Or within a laurel wreath argent.

This device is returned for redraw. The laurel wreath is too open at the top and should come nearly to a full circle.

This would have been the defining instance of a naga in Society heraldry. A naga is a multi-headed monster very similar to a hydra but without legs. It was described in the 16th century by Portuguese Jesuit priests who visited Thailand. As a non-European creature, it would carry a step from period practice.

Michiele l'encriere. Device. Per fess wavy argent and sable all goutty counterchanged.

This device is returned for redraw. Per the March 2013 Cover Letter "Teardrop shaped gouttes are registerable as long as they are elongated, more than twice as long as they are wide." On redraw, the submitter should either use the more period form with a wavy tail and/or draw the gouttes longer.

Theodericus Sturmere. Device. Azure, a unicorn Or charged on the shoulder with a fleur-de-lys azure.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." As drawn, commenters had trouble noticing the presence of the tertiary fleur-de-lys. This likely results from the combination of abundant internal details on the unicorn and the fact that it is of the same tincture as the field. The tertiary charge is necessary to prevent a conflict with the badge of Melody of An Tir: (Fieldless) A unicorn Or.

Thomas de Roelent. Household name House Roelent.

The March 2013 Cover Letter states:

English household names are often derived from personal names. As with other household patterns in English, the pattern is X('s) House or House of X, not House X. Household names derived from people's names in English take a couple of forms. The most common household name uses the individual's full name, like þe hous of Julyane huxster or sir Henry Percy house (both period examples from Sharon Krossa's "A Brief, Incomplete, and Rather Stopgap Article about European Household and Other Group Names Before 1600" (http://medievalscotland.org/names/eurohouseholds/). The same pattern is found using household as the designator.

Examples that use only given names, only surnames, or only titles are used in limited contexts. Examples of X's House with given names are found only for saint's names and legendary names, like King Arthur. For surnames, X's House or X House are mostly found in references to actual buildings rather than to people, though they may sometimes be used to refer to the people living in such a building. House of X seems to have been used largely to refer to noble dynasties (like the House of Lancaster and House of York. All of these patterns are registerable.

As the submitter does not allow major changes, we cannot change this household name to Roelent House or one of the other forms, and are forced to return this name.

Vittorio Bardasano. Device. Per pale sable and argent, a chess knight affronty between two swords inverted, a bordure embattled counterchanged.

This device is returned for violating SENA A2C1 which states that "Elements must be drawn in their period forms". Part of the definition of the chess knight is to have to heads facing away from each other. In this depiction, it is impossible to determine whether the charge has more than one head. It also cannot be blazoned as a horse's head couped because of the indentation in the "neck".

In Service,
Krysta of Starfall,
Green Crown Pursuivant


December 2015 – Redrawn Submissions – Sent to Laurel

Eibhilín inghean Uí Martain (RESUB device to Laurel)

Purpure a wolf’s head contorney erased, in chief two triquetra argent.

This device was returned for redraw on the October 2015 LoAR. The submitter has been instructed on the proper way to draw erasing: either three or four prominent, pointed jags on the erasing, as described on the Cover Letter to the November 2001 LoAR: “Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved.”

There are four "jags" on this emblazon, they are not "straight" and they are 1/6 the total height of the charge. This redraw addresses the points raised in the return.



Golden Playne, Canton of (RESUB device to Laurel)

Vert, a five-headed Naga glissant to sinister heads erect Or within a laurel wreath argent

This device was returned for redraw on the October 2015 LoAR, which stated: "The laurel wreath is too open at the top and should come nearly to a full circle.

This would be the defining instance of a naga in Society heraldry. A naga is a multi-headed monster very similar to an hydra. It was described in the 16th century by Portuguese Jesuit priests who visited Thailand. As a non-European creature, it carries a step from period practice."

The redrawing submitted here depicts a more circular wreath. The intent, perhaps not clear on the emblazon submitted here due to poor graphics arts skills, is that the wreath and the naga be "balanced." This wreath is a little too "chunky" (the leaves and stems should be less beefy) giving more space for the Naga; however, we believe this emblazon addresses the reason for return and maintains the identifiability of the Naga, and so should be registerable.



Khalidah bint Sa'id al-`Attar (RESUB device to Laurel)

Or, a scorpion bendwise sinister sable mullety argent

The December 2013 LoAR stated: This device is returned for redraw. Precedent states: "... must draw upper portion of the field properly as mulletty, i.e. more evenly distributed. As drawn now, the design looks more like an attempt to depict a constellation...which is not permitted as a charge in Society heraldry. [Erika Bjarnsdottir, R-Trimaris, December 1986 LoAR]" Similarly, the mullets on the scorpion here are not evenly distributed enough, nor of similar sizes, to be called mullety, and can only be interpreted as the constellation Scorpio. This is not registerable.

The mullets depicted in this redrawn resubmission meet the requirement stated above.



Michiele l’encriere (RESUB device to Laurel)

Per fess wavy argent and sable, goutty counterchanged.

This device was returned for redraw on the October 2015 LoAR. Per the March 2013 Cover Letter "Teardrop shaped gouttes are registerable as long as they are elongated, more than twice as long as they are wide.". On redraw, the submitter should either use the more period form with a wavy tail and/or draw the gouttes longer.

The submitted emblazon addresses the reason for return. The gouttes are now both twice as long as they are wide AND have a wavy tail.



Theodericus Sturmere (RESUB device to Laurel)

Azure, a unicorn Or charged on the shoulder with a fleur de lys sable.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." As drawn, commenters had trouble noticing the presence of the tertiary fleur-de-lys. This likely results from the combination of abundant internal details on the unicorn and the fact that it is of the same tincture as the field. The tertiary charge is necessary to prevent a conflict with the badge of Melody of An Tir: (Fieldless) A unicorn Or." The mini-emblazon which was returned can be seen below.

This emblazon cleans up some of the excessive detail, and replaces the art-sy fleur with the one from the PicDic, and makes it sable - making it much more visible and therefore more clearly a "difference."



SUBMISSONS – January (2016)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL
Aaliz de Saint-Joseph (Device RESUB to Kingdom sent on to Laurel with LoPtC)

Name registered October 2014.

Argent, an oak tree eradicated proper fructed Or, in chief two mullets purpure.

The previous design, submitted in July 2014, was Per fess sable and argent, a tree proper between two mullets purpure. We found there was inadequate contrast as drawn and submitted. The design submitted for January 2016 retains the same charges but had none of the previous contrast problems.

A conflict was found with the armory registered to Dougal MacPherson the Tall (August 1998, Atenveldt) Argent, a tree blasted and eradicated per fess vert and sable. Letter of Permission to Conflict from Dougal is included in Laurel’s packet.



Caitilin Cameron of Wick (RESUB Name sent on to Laurel; Device RESUB returned for conflict)

Will accept changes; Important – Sound (no sound noted); Gender: female; no authenticity request

Caitilinhttp://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Caitilin.shtml; found in OC&M dated from 1411 through 1592.

Cameron – Found in Black, “Surnames of Scotland” p. 128; John Cameron, dated to 1434.

of – standard locative article

Wick – On page 814 under the header [Wick], Black states that it is an Orkney surname of local origin from the town Wick in Caithness. Sir James of Weik, 1456 and the same person recorded as Sir James of Wrke in 1461. In Place-Names of Scotland, James B. Johnston, S.R. Publishers Limited, 3rd Ed 1934, p324: In this spelling dated circa 1375 (assuming that is what Johnston means by "sic"). Also as Vik 1140 and Weke 1455.

The Scots name formation [given + byname + locative article + location] is found In Black. On p. xxii the representatives of the seventeen royal burghs from a l357 list, shows John Goldsmyth of Edinburgh, John Clerk of Monros, etc.

Her original submission, Katelin Cameron, was returned in May 2014, and stated, in brief: “Therefore, as there is only a single syllable of difference in sound between Katelin and Catherine under this pronunciation, this name conflicts with Catherine Cameron and must be returned.”

The name submitted in September 2015 “Caitilin Cameron” was determined at Kingdom to STILL be in conflict with Catherine Cameron. There are insufficient countable differences between “Katelin”, “Caitilin” and “Catherine.” We strongly suggested that the submitter add an additional element, such as a locative (of Cynagua) or a clan affiliation or patronymic article. This submission took the suggestion, but submitter did not document the place name to period/place, nor the article used in the formation.


Elisheva bint Sitt al-Sirr (NEW badge sent on to Laurel)

Name registered August 2006.

Fieldless, on a raven contorney sable a rose Or.



Fearghus mac Gyllfynnan (Name and Device RESUB to Kingdom sent on to Laurel)

Changes OK; Will allow a holding name; Gender: male; Authenticity request for 14-15thC Irish Gaelic

Fearghus – found in St. Gabriel Report 1800 http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1800+0, “<Fearghus> was also a common name throughout the Middle Ages.” Source cited by St. Gabriel is O/ Corra/in, Donnchadh and Fidelma Maguire, “Irish Names” (Dublin: The Lilliput Press, 1990). s.nn. Finnguala, Fergus. In the “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Masculine Given Names,” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) at http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/, the spelling [Fearghus] is listed from the periods 1401 to 1600.

mac Gyllfynnan – submitted on the forms as “MacGylifynnan,” “Gyllfynnan” is found in “Names and Naming Practices in the Red Book of Ormond (Ireland 14th Century): Given Names” by Heather Rose Jones (Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn) http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/lateirish/ormond-given.html#Given under Giolla-Fionnain: Gyllfynnan 1; Irish context. The submitter has given permission for the change to conform to the documented spelling. Late period Irish Gaelic simple patronymics for men are not lenited, we believe the correct formation should be “mac Gyllfynnan.”

The Irish Gaelic name formation [given + pat. article + patronym] is found in Quick and Easy Gaelic Names, 3rd Edition, by Sharon L. Krossa http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#simplepatronymicbyname.

Previously submitted Camshron Mac GilleFinnan, which was returned at Kingdom in September 2015, for lack of documentation of “Camshron” and other name element issues.

Armory:
Gules, a bend and in sinister canton a Maltese cross argent.

This design was submitted in September 2015, but could not be sent on because we returned the then-submitted name “Camshron” at Kingdom.


Fellbjorn Gunnarsson (NEW name, NEW device sent to Laurel)

Will accept MAJOR or MINOR changes; Sound most important (none noted); Will allow a holding name; Gender: male; no authenticity request

Fellbjorn – The formation Fell- can be found in [Lind Personbinamn] Lind, E. H. “Norsk-Isländska Personbinamn Från Medeltiden Samlade Ock Utgivna Med Förklaringar;” col. 78 sn. Fell-Snorri, ca. 1230. Bjorn is found on p. 8 in Bassi, which also shows several combination names with this element second: Skjaldbjorn, p. 14; Hrossbjorn, p.11; Hallbjorn, p. 10; Gunnbjorn, p. 10.

Gunnarsson - “Gunnarr” is found in Bassi, on p. 10. The patronymic formation is shown in “A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names” by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/sg-viking.html; where it is shown that a father’s given name ending in –rr (Geirr) would generate the patronymic “Geirsson” for a male child, by dropping the second “r” and adding “–sson”.

The Old Norse name formation [given + patronymic] is found in SENA, Appendix A.

Armory:
Or, a bear rampant contorny per fess gules and azure maintaing a valknut azure, a chief sable.

There is a Step From Period Practice (SFPP) for the use of the valknut.

Note: The drawing of the bear seems to be passant or “strollant” which is not allowed with the current rules. This will be sent on with a note, the submitter will be asked to ramp the bear a bit higher so that it’s not strolling.


Fionnghuala inghean Ragnaill (Name RESUB to Kingdom sent on to Laurel; Device RETURNED for conflict)

Will NOT accept MAJOR or MINOR changes; Will allow a holding name; Gender: female; no authenticity request

Fionnghuala – This spelling found in “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Fionnghuala” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Fionnghuala.shtml; example - Fionnguala inghen Maghnais Uí Concobhair, dated 1306-1310. Submitter is using the header spelling.

inghean – patronymic article; Saint Gabriel report #2401 states, in part, “Gaelic women were usually identified as their father’s daughters: Where a man was <mac Ragnaill> ‘son of Ragnall,’ his sister was <ingen Ragnaill> ‘daughter of Ragnall.’” The patronymic article was spelled “inghean” after about 1200.

Ragnaill – Genitive form of Ragnall (see above, St. Gabriel #2401).

The Gaelic name formation [given + pat. article + patronym] is found in SENA, Appendix A.

Prior submission, Fionnguala Bean MhicFinnan, was returned by Kingdom (September 2015) for lack of documentation of formation. This resubmission is clear of the issues raised by her prior submission.


Hans Shaffer (Device RESUB to Kingdom Sent on to Laurel)

Per chevron throughout, sable and vert, two ravens respectant and a three headed dog rampant contorney argent.

His first submission, Per bend sinister embattled vert and sable, a three-headed talbot rampant to sinister, one head reguardant, argent, was returned for redrawing (the center head was to sinister instead of affronty) and for conflict with Judith Jehane di Ettore (Per bend sinister gules and sable a fox rampant to sinister argent). His second submission, Per bend sinister vert and sable, a three-headed talbot rampant to sinister argent, was drawn with the center head correctly positioned, but the per bend sinister division left the conflict with Judith unaddressed. Judith has since supplied a Letter of Permission to Conflict The submission in September 2015 divided the field per bend, but the submitter reversed the field colors, and was found to be in conflict with Dorcas Dorcadas, registered in September of 1973 and reblazoned in May of 2010 (via the West): Sable, a three-headed hound rampant contourny, one head reguardant, argent. The current submission is a substantial redesign.

The Device submitted here could be in violation of SENA A.3.D1 Clarity of Charge Groups. “Charges in an armorial design must be clearly organized into charge groups. Depictions of charges that blur the distinction between charge groups will not be allowed. Depictions of charges that that are ambiguous as to what sort of charge group they belong to will not be allowed.” As drawn, the three-headed dog is larger than the ravens and therefore this drawing could look like a primary and a set of secondary charges.

However, SENA Appendix I (Charge Group Theory), section A. (Primary Charge Group) states: “...In armory with a divided field, there are two potential situations. Either each of the charges is entirely in a single section of the field, or one or more charges overlie the line(s) of division. In the first situation, the charges are collectively the primary charge group. This is true even when the bottom charge is drawn larger than the others, as this is common in period depictions…” Based on this description of Primary Charge Group, the dog being drawn larger than the birds is “common in period depictions,” so we will send this on for comment and a decision by Wreath.


James of Winter’s Gate (NEW name, NEW device sent to Laurel)

Will NOT accept MAJOR or MINOR changes; Will allow a holding name; Gender: male; no authenticity request

James – found in Withycombe on pp 170-171 with a 1240 date for this spelling.

of – standard English locative article.

Winter’s Gate – SCA Branch name registered December 1984.

The English name formation [given + article + locative] is found in SENA, Appendix A. The name formation [given + anglicized locative article + SCA locative byname] is appropriate for names formed using the Branch Name Allowance, as shown in PN1.B.2.f in SENA.

Armory:
Azure, an open book bendwise and in chief two crescents pendant argent.


Kagami Tomoko (NEW name sent to Laurel, NEW device Returned)

Will NOT accept MAJOR or MINOR changes; Will allow a holding name; Gender: not marked; no authenticity request

Tomoko – found in Name Construction in Medieval Japan – Revised Edition (2004) by Solveig Throndardottir (p. 227).

Kagami - found in Name Construction in Medieval Japan – Revised Edition (2004) by Solveig Throndardottir (p. 216)

The Japanese name formation [Surname + Female Name] is found in Name Construction in Medieval Japan – Revised Edition (2004) by Solveig Throndardottir.


Kobus Rahl (NEW name sent on to Laurel, NEW device RETURNED for conflict)

Will NOT accept MAJOR changes; Will allow a holding name; Most important: spelling; Gender: male; Authenticity request: “Germanic”

Submitter states “If name must be changed then I will accept Jakobus.”

Kobus – Brechenmacher lists Kobus on p. 79 as derived from Jakobus, but dates the use as a surname to 1675. I think it is reasonable to presume that it was used as given name before it became a surname. Bahlow has Kobus on p. 306, referring back to the header [Kob] on p. 305, where he lists several diminutives for Jakob, and says that the Slavic form {Kobus] dates to the 14th century. Bahlow's list includes [Köbes], but it is undated.

Rahl - Brechenmacher lists Rahl on p. 366 as a variant from a participant in the Bauernkrieg [=Peasant's War] which was in 1524-25.

The German name formation [given + surname] is found in SENA, Appendix A.


Seán Ó Floinn of the Mists (NEW name sent on to Laurel)

Will NOT accept MAJOR changes; Will NOT allow a holding name; Most important: language and/or culture: “This is the Irish spelling of my real name, and I live in the Principality of the Mists”; Gender: male; no authenticity request

Seán – is found as a Gaelic borrowing of John in “Names and Naming Practices in the Fitzwilliam Accounts from 16th Century Ireland” by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn http://heraldry.sca.org/names/lateirish/fitzwilliam-analysis.html#Appearance; also found in the “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Seán (Seóan)” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Sean.shtml which shows Sean from 1330 to 1550 in various spellings, and in particular Sean Ó Fiaich, who died in 1506, showing the use of the Ó clan affiliation formation.

Ó – “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Seán (Seóan)” shows Sean Ó Fiaich, who died in 1506, showing the use of the Ó clan affiliation formation.

Floinn - http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Flann.shtml shows Flann mac Floinn Uí Domnalláin (died 1486), demonstrating the correct genitive for Flann and also demonstrating Sean and <article>Floinn within a few years of each other.

of – standard English locative article

the Mists – The Principality of the Mists is an SCA Branch, name registered May 1980.

The Scots name formation [given +pat. Article + clan name+ locative] is found in SENA, Appendix A. The anglicized locative article is appropriate for names formed using the Branch Name Allowance, as shown in PN1.B.2.f in SENA.


Úlfar inn svarti Þórisson (NEW badge sent on to Laurel)

Joint registration with Kolskeggr skialdarbriótr fra Einkunnir.

Armory:
Per saltire vert and azure, a saltire argent and a bordure Or.



RETURNS

Caitilin Cameron of Wick (RESUB Name sent on to Laurel; Device RESUB returned for conflict)

Purpure, a bend argent between two natural tigers argent marked sable.

Submitter’s first device submission, Purpure, a natural tiger rampant contourny argent marked sable, a bordure embattled argent, was returned on the LoAR of May 2014. Laurel noted: “This device is returned for conflict with the device of Thomas Dyne, Per pale azure and vert, a natural tiger salient contourny argent marked sable, a bordure embattled argent. There is a DC for the change of field, but nothing else. There is a step from period practice for the use of a natural tiger.”

Unfortunately, the design submitted in September 2015, Purpure, a tiger rampant to sinister argent marked sable, a bordure embattled ermine, while clear of Thomas Dyne, was in conflict with Tyra of Rivenwood Tower, registered August of 1990 (via the Middle): Purpure, a domestic cat rampant to sinister argent within a bordure ermine. There is one CD for the change of the plain-line bordure to embattled. A domestic cat and a tiger are not considered to have any difference, even with the sable markings on the tiger.

This design retains the tiger, but is a complete redesign otherwise. In conflict with Felicia Margerye Amondesham (March 2001, West), Purpure, a bend between two hands argent. Changing the secondary charges is one difference, however two are required to be clear of conflict. Note: Changing the band to embattled would still be in conflict with a different submission Veronica De Holloway – Purpure, a bend dovetailed between two eagles displayed argent.


Fionnghuala inghean Ragnaill (Device RESUB to Kingdom Returned for conflict)

Quarterly purpure and argent, two towers purpure.

Submitters previous design, Quarterly purpure and argent, a cross crosslet fitchy and a tower purpure was returned at Kingdom for appearance of marshalling. SENA A.6.F discusses the appearance of marshalling in some detail. Placing two different charges in the argent quarters of the device seems to fit the description of “marshaled arms”, although the two purpure, uncharged quarters might make the design registerable. Submitter has taken our suggestion of placing two towers on the argent quarters.

Conflicts with John of Two Towers – Or, two towers in fess Purpure. Per SENA E4.p54 “Change of arrangement in primary charge group – in cases where armory has an arrangement which is forced by the field, no difference can be obtained for arrangement of those charges. It does not matter whether the forced arrangement is in the registered item or the new submission... For example, Quarterly gules and argent, two ravens argent is not clear of conflict under this rule from Gules, in fess two ravens argent, because the in bend position of the ravens in the first item are forced there by the field – the white ravens could not overlap either of the white quarters.” As this is exactly equivalent to an example from SENA, the submitter will need to revise the design.


Kagami Tomoko (NEW name sent to Laurel, NEW device Returned)

Purpure, three bellflower plants, slips in annulo, blossoms to center argent.

This will be sent back for redraw and clarification as to the identity of the flowers. They are not in the usual position of a flower in a mon, There are not three slips, there are six “lumps” of stem in the drawing. This is not blazonable.


Kobus Rahl (NEW name sent on to Laurel, NEW device RETURNED)

Argent, two crosses in pale issuant from an anunulet sable.

The drawing needs to be redrawn. The drawing is not submittable as crosses or Latin crosses due to the variation of the width of the arm. However, there is a conflict with Conrad Breakring (February 1996 AnTir) Argent, an annulet fracted on the dexter side, sable. Fracted does not count toward difference, so the addition of the crosses is only one change.


Rys cynydd de Llanfaes (NEW name RETURNED, NEW device RETURNED)

Will NOT accept MAJOR changes; Will allow a holding name; Most Important: sound (Welsh); Gender: male; no authenticity request

Rys – from A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html with the spelling [Rhys]. In “The Subsidy of 1292” by Francis Jones (Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies 13:210-230) we find [Rys vichan] and [Adaf ab Rys].

cynydd – also found in “A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names” as the modern form for the occupational nickname “huntsman.” The period forms would be: Kennith, Kenith, Kynith.

de – In “A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names,” Tangwystyl states that for bynames based on location, the Latin “de” is sometimes placed before the place-name. However, this is likely a written-word artifact, and would not have been used when speaking the person’s name.

Llanfaes – William Camden, 1610, has the spelling as Lhan-vays in his book “Britannia or a Chorographical Description of GREAT BRITAIN and IRELAND, Together with the Adjacent Islands” (written in Latin and translated later). URL for the translation is [http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/travellers/Camden/24]. The title page of the web posting and the relevant page for [Lhan-vays] are attached. Also, a report by the Clwyd Powys Archaeological Trust: Historic Settlement Survey – Brecon Beacons National Park at [http://www.cpat.org.uk/ycom/bbnp/llanfaes.pdf], states: “Llanfaes can boast one of the earliest place-names in the county. In 817 (recorded in a document of c.1000) we read of (Gueith) Lannmaes, in c.1100 of Landmais and of Launvays by Bregnogh in 1280.” The pertinent page was attached. The on-line version of the report does not include bibliographical information, so we don’t know what “document of c.1000” this is.

Formation documentation needed – per SENA and Tangwystyl 13c Welsh Names, the only documented pattern in Welsh with two bynames is [given +pat + pat] or, a two-generational byname [Rys son of Cynwrig son of Llywelyn]. There is no support for [given + occupational nickname + locative].

Prior name submission: Client submitted “Rhys Knith” in November 2009. It was returned at Kingdom for conflict with “Rhys ap Cynam.”

On the other hand, the rules have changed at this point such that Green Crown believes that the client can register Rys Kynith. Because “Kynith” is not a patronym but an occupational, it can never have “ap” before it, so the removal of “ap” and the change to the sound of the byname from “-am” to “-ith” should clear the conflict called in 2009.

Armory:
Per bend sinister vert and sable, a dog's head caboshed, conjoined to two dog’s heads couped addorsed argent.

Prior device submission: In November 2009, client submitted Gyronny vert and sable, a three-headed, snake-tailed dog passant contorny argent; returned at Kingdom because multi-parted fields were not permitted to be of two colors only; also in conflict with Lynn of Dragonsmark (Feb. 1994, Middle) Quarterly vert and gules, a wolf passant contourney ululant argent.

This device is in conflict with Gunthar Waldmann (Sept. 2006 via Ansteorra) Per bend sinister vert and sable, a bears head caboshed argent. It was the judgement of the meeting that while the two items were different, they were not sufficiently different to be registerable given the identity of the field.


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