Minutes of the November, 2014 Heralds Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – November 21, 2014 (11:40 am to 4:00 pm)

The meeting was held at the home of eilis o'boirne in Berkeley, CA. In general, all future meetings will be held at Green Crown’s home (564 Broadmoor Blvd., San Leandro, CA 94577; email greencrown@heralds.westkingdom.org for directions). Meetings begin at 11AM, with walk-in processing no later than 10:30AM. “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

ATTENDEES:
Frederick of Holland, Vesper; Marie de Blois, Honnestete Plus Que Tout; Tanczos Istvan, NonScripta; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Matins; eilis o’boirne, Banner; Hirsch von Henford, Golum; Krysta of Starfall, Green Crown; Mathen Gervaise, PaL; Dafydd Waleis, PaL.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
Heralds’ Meetings for 2015 and early 2016: January 4, 2015 (road show at 12th Night – 10 am), March 22, May 17, July 12, September 20, November 15 (the day after Herald’s Collegium), January 3, 2016 (tentative based on 12th Night). Meetings will start at 11 AM.

Walk-in submissions may be held over until the following meeting at the discretion of Matins.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com. This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.


REPORTS

Vesper: Reports for November all rolled into one because we skipped the formal report part of the meeting.

The WK College continues to roll along in its usual fashion despite my recent two-month absence for family reasons. Tournaments were held at Purgatorio, and of course at Crown, and heralds cried the lists as they ought. Courts have been held and reports filed in a more or less timely fashion. Master Hirsch records the data (and nags heralds and Royalty to confirm things). We continue to have bi-monthly meetings to handle submissions.

A West Kingdom Herald's Symposium was held on 15 November and was quite enjoyable for those who were there. Thanks are especially owed to the three out-of-town presenters, Bruce Draconarius, Tanczos Istvan and Marie de Blois (and the Peanut).

In terms of upcoming changes, Anne FitzRichard, Sea Wolf Herald for the Mists, needs to step down and is advertising for a replacement. In Cynagua, Mistress Caoilinn Rose Maddox, Sable Swan Herald, has a successor who will take over the job at Spring Investiture, Viscount Michael of the Shire (Miach).

Gwenhyfaer ferch Gwilym, Matins Herald (submissions) is stepping down for health and job reasons. Viscountess Krysta of Starfall, currently Green Crown Pursuivant (Vesper Clerk) has agreed to step in and handle submissions while a replacement for Matins is found and trained. Note that she is NOT taking the title, just the duties on a temporary basis.

Mistress Caoilinn is also stepping down as Heralds Exchequer. Daffyd Waleis has volunteered to step in and take the job.

Finally Michel von Schiltach has taken on the duties of Brachet Herald, responsible for commentary from the West Kingdom on the submissions from all other Kingdoms.

I am rapidly approaching the end of my first year as Vesper. I have already started advertising for a deputy successor, although I have received no applications as yet.


ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business

Laurel requires now 0 (zero) paper submissions – we need only one copy and Matins doesn’t mail anything to Laurel, just sends scans. Effective immediately we will only require from submitters:

Name submission: one copy and documentation
Device submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, with documentation if needed
Badge submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, documentation as needed
Money: $10 for name+device or name+badge, $6 for individual submissions.

Colored submissions are still required to be hand colored using markers, not crayons or pencils, and must be colored with “quality markers” so colors don’t change; we encourage the use of Crayola Classic markers. If the submission is not colored in true colors, the College is required to send it back.

SUBMISSIONS GUIDELINES

GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Vesper at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm.

BRACHET MEETINGS
The office of Brachet Herald was filled as of the September meeting; no commenting meetings are being held, but Brachet is brainstorming to try to do e-meetings. More news soon.


EXCERPTS FROM THE LOARS

The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

August 2014 LoAR (printed October 13, 2014) (May 2014, West LoI)

Cover letter

From Laurel: A Herald Extraordinary

The College of Arms has a rank of Herald Extraordinary that has a long and honored history. The rank was formally created and defined in the July 1981 cover letter by Wilhelm Laurel. The intent of the rank is to recognize and reward "... those heralds who have greatly served the College of Heralds and/or the College of Arms and have achieved the highest level of competence in heraldry."

In light of his considerable contribution to the College of Arms through his efforts as my predecessor as Laurel King of Arms, I confer upon Gabriel Kjotvason the rank and style of Herald Extraordinary. I charge him to register a title of his choosing with the College of Arms.

From Pelican: A Clarification regarding Russian lingual mixes

While discussing several names this year, multiple commenters have stated that Appendix C of SENA does not allow Russian and Scandinavian elements to be combined after 1100. The basis for this statement appears to be an item on the May 2013 Cover Letter that allows Russian to be combined with Old Norse; however, this interpretation of that statement is incorrect. Russian/Scandinavian lingual mixes from post-1100 have always been and are still allowed under SENA. This precedent merely expanded the allowable time period to also include 550-1100. With the help of Palimpsest and Codex, Appendix C has been modified to reflect this expansion.

From Wreath: Compass stars elongated to base

Previous precedent, from the October 2013 Cover Letter, declared mullets elongated palewise to be unregisterable:

We had two submissions this month that featured a mullet elongated palewise. We have no evidence that such artistic treatment of a mullet was ever done in period armory at all, and we grant no difference between a mullet and a mullet elongated palewise.

However, we do have period evidence of mullets elongated to base (i.e., only the basemost ray is stretched out), but those appear to be a variant of a comet, not normal mullet. An example of such a comet can be seen in the 16th century Italian armorial Insignia Nobilium Patavinorum, BSB Cod.icon. 275, on f.65r (found at http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00001422/image_137).

Therefore, as we would like to avoid confusion between comets and mullets, mullets elongated pale wise will no longer be registerable after the April 2014 decision meetings.

Per that precedent, mullets elongated to base are considered to be a variant of comets, and will be blazoned as comets. However, these variants are constructed from mullets, and not compass stars. Barring period evidence of compass stars elongated to base, that charge will not be registerable after the March 2015 decision meeting.

From Palimpsest: Further Discussion Needed for SENA PN.4.B.1

On the May Palimpsest Rules Letter, there was a proposal to modify SENA PN.4.B.1 to make it clearer that the titles listed in the Alternate Titles list were not the only titles which might be considered presumptuous. Commentary and discussion at the meetings indicated that further discussion is needed about our approach to titles, their use historically and in the SCA, and how/when we consider their use presumption. We will call for further, more general discussion of the topic on an upcoming Palimpsest Rules Letter; in the meantime, this section of SENA remains the same.

From Palimpsest: Electronic Permission to Conflict and You

The Laurel office has long been known for its requirement to get it in writing - so much so that 'non scripta, non est' is the motto of the College of Arms - and has held to the requirement of a physical signature as its standard for letters and other attestations by submitters and the owners of registered items. These days, however, it is sometimes difficult to get the owner of a registered item to physically sign a piece of paper to give permission to conflict and send it somewhere. When they can rightly point out that they have already given permission by email and that email conversations can be legally binding in the real world, our paper-only stance is increasingly outdated and difficult to defend.

One difference, however, is that in those real world, binding conversations, all parties can be confirmed by someone reliable. That is to say, they are known to each other directly, or their email addresses are verified to each other by someone else. It is this vetting and verification that allows these conversations to proceed and be binding upon the participants. In the case of heraldic submissions, the parties which are known to Laurel are the kingdom Principal and Submissions Heralds, and so they are the ones who can confirm.

This item was originally discussed in the August 31, 2013 Palimpsest Rules Letter, item 2.

The current relevant portion of AH IV.C.3 reads:

3. Permission to Conflict - If permission to conflict has been granted, a written statement of permission must be included, signed by the owner of the registered conflicting item with both Society Name and name used outside the Society. (See Appendix D for a standard form for granting permission to conflict.) The physical signature (or a facsimile thereof) of the owner is required; electronic permission does not remove this requirement. If a blanket permission to conflict exists, reference to this must be included on the Letter of Intent. In no case will permission to conflict be granted to identical submissions.

We are changing this portion of AH IV.C.3., effective immediately, to read:

3. Permission to Conflict - If permission to conflict has been granted, a statement of permission from the owner of the registered conflicting item is required. The statement must be dated and include the Society Name and legal name of said owner, the Society Name and legal name of the submitter, and the name or blazon of the conflicting items. (See Appendix D for a standard form for granting permission to conflict.)

The physical legal signature (or a facsimile thereof) of the owner is preferred. If this is not available, an emailed statement of permission is permitted, but the identity of the person giving that permission via e-mail must be confirmed through the personal knowledge of a Kingdom Principal Herald or a Kingdom Submissions Herald. In general, that means face to face or voice contact with the person giving permission.

If a blanket permission to conflict exists, reference to this must be included on the Letter of Intent. In no case will permission to conflict be granted to identical submissions.

For those of you who like seeing the deletion/insertion version:

3. Permission to Conflict - If permission to conflict has been granted, a written statement of permission must be included, signed byfrom the owner of the registered conflicting item is required. The statement must be dated and include the with both Society Name and legal name of said owner, the Society Name and legal name of the submitter, and he name or blazon of the conflicting items.name used outside the Society. (See Appendix D for a standard form for granting permission to conflict.)

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The physical signature (or a facsimile thereof) of the owner is preferredrequired; electronic permission does not remove this requirement. If this is not available, an emailed statement of permission is permitted, but the identity of the person giving that permission via e-mail must be confirmed through the personal knowledge of a Kingdom Principal Herald or a Kingdom Submissions Herald. In general, that means face to face or voice contact with the person giving permission.

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If a blanket permission to conflict exists, reference to this must be included on the Letter of Intent. In no case will permission to conflict be granted to identical submissions.

The remainder of AH IV.C.3. remains unchanged.

West Acceptances - August LoAR

Aimeric de Fois. Name and device. Sable, in bend sinister a plate between two billets argent.

Nice 13th century Occitan name!

Aine Redmond. Name (see RETURNS for badge).

Redmond is the submitter's legal surname. As it is also found in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, the submitter need not rely on the legal name allowance.

Aoife Clarscheouch. Name and device. Argent, six harps reversed purpure.

The submitter originally requested authenticity for 10th-15th century Irish and/or Scottish, but dropped this request after commentary had ended.

The combination of Gaelic and Scots is acceptable under Appendix C of SENA.

Finna k{o,}ttr Goðormsdóttir. Device. Per pale wavy sable and argent, a nude woman and a cat sejant counterchanged, on a chief vert three pawprints argent.

There is a step from period practice for the use of pawprints.

Katelinen van Walravenshyde. Name (see PENDS for device).

Submitted as Katelinen Van Walraversijde, and appearing on the Letter of Intent as Katelinen van Walraversijde, the submitter requested authenticity for "12th-16th century Flemish".

Commenters were unable to support the submitted spelling Walraversijde, which could only be documented as a modern spelling. In commentary, Siren documented the spellings Wilravenshyde, Wilravenside, Walravenshyde, and Wilravens Yde, dated within the 14th-15th centuries. We have changed the byname to Walravenshyde, as it is the closest to what was submitted. Both elements can be dated to the mid- to late 15th century, meeting the submitter's request.

The submitter may also wish to know that we could register Katelinen of Walraversijde, which uses the lingua Anglica form of the place name.

Marie of the Meadow. Reblazon of device. Or, a rose gules and in chief two ladybugs proper.

Blazoned when registered in February of 1971 as Or, a rose gules barbed, slipped, leaved and seeded, in chief two ladybird beetles proper, the term currently used to register these insects is "ladybugs".

Michael of Fox Wood. Name and device. Vert, a sheaf of arrows Or and on a chief argent a fox courant contourny proper.

Submitted as Michael of Fox Wood, the name was changed in kingdom to Michael of Foxwood in order to match the documentation that they could find. In commentary, Siren was able to construct the submitted form as a compound placename (where a family name precedes a generic toponym), so we are able to restore this name to the submitted form.

Minamoto Shintaro Masashige. Name.

Nikolai Iastrebov. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Nice mid-16th century Russian name!

Rebecca Redarrow. Name and device. Or, a broadarrow gules, a chief enarched vert.

Siren and Blue Tyger were able to construct the byname Redarrow as an inherited surname derived from an inn-sign name like atte Redarrow.

West Returns - August LoAR

Asa Utheresdohter. Name and device. Per pale azure and gules, a pair of wings conjoined displayed argent.

Submitted as Æsa Uthersdottir, the byname combined the Middle English Uthers- (from the literary name Uther) with the Old Norse -dottir in the same name phrase. This violates PN.1.B.1 of SENA, which requires that, "A registerable name phrase must follow the rules of grammar and structure for a single time and place. It may not mix languages unless that mixing of languages within a name phrase is attested as a period practice".

The submitter authorized a change to a wholly Middle English byname. In commentary, Siren constructed Utheresdohter as a plausible 12th century form. We have changed the byname to this form with the submitter's permission.

Unfortunately, this change created a new problem. According to Appendix C of SENA, English and Scandinavian can only be combined prior to 1100. Therefore, the Old Norse Æsa cannot be combined with the Middle English Utheresdohter. Ase is an Anglo-Saxon feminine given name dated to the 10th or 11th century, and could be combined with a Middle English byname. Alternatively, the English feminine given name Asa is dated to 1576 (FamilySearch Historical Records) and is also compatible. We would change it to one of these forms in order to register the name, but changing the language is a major change, which the submitter does not allow. As we cannot fix the name, we are forced to return it.

This device is returned for conflicts with both the device of Steffan ap Cenydd of Silverwing, (Fieldless) A pair of wings conjoined in lure argent, and that of Francois le Féroce, Per chevron vert and argent, in chief two wings addorsed argent. In both cases, there is only one DC for the field. We do not grant a difference between conjoined and not conjoined charges. There is no DC for the change of orientation of the wings, nor for the forced change of position of the wings in Francois' arms.

Jon FitzRolf, called the Lean. Badge. (Fieldless) A bezant surmounted by two arrows inverted bendwise, two arrows inverted bendwise sinister and an arrow palewise inverted, all fretted, vert.

This badge is returned for lack of documentation for the arrangement used.

Neither the submitter nor the commenters provided period evidence of overall charges combining bendwise, bendwise sinister, and palewise orientations. SENA A.3.D.2.c states "A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures." Thus, to be registerable, this arrangement of charge groups would need to be documented.

Nikolai Iastrebov. Device. Per chevron azure and vert, three bezants and a hawk volant bendwise Or.

This device is returned for a redraw, for violating the guidelines set forth on the May 2011 Cover Letter for a properly drawn per chevron field division; the field division here is too low. Please see that Cover Letter for further discussion and details of how to properly draw per chevron lines of division.

On redraw, the submitter should make sure that the bird is drawn clearly either bendwise or palewise.

Ragnall MacCormac. Device. Per chevron vert and sable a chevron engrailed between an increscent, a decrescent and a pawprint argent.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C3 which states "Elements must be drawn at an appropriate size for their role in an armorial submission." The chevron here is drawn far too thin to be an acceptable primary charge when surrounded by secondary charges.

Additionally, this device does not follow the guidelines set forth on the May 2011 Cover Letter for a properly drawn per chevron field division; the field division here is too low. Please see that Cover Letter for further discussion and details of how to properly draw per chevron lines of division.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a pawprint.

West Pends - August LoAR

Katelinen van Walravenshyde. Device. Argent, three fish in annulo vert.

This submission is pended administratively for further comment as the required black and white emblazon was not provided in OSCAR.

There is a step from period practice for the use of charges in annulo not in their default palewise orientation.

This was item 8 on the West letter of May 31, 2014

September 2014 LoAR (printed November 4, 2014) (June 30, 2014 West LoI)

Cover letter

From Pelican: A Request for Comments

In the commentary for the name Alys Katerina of Bavaria (Caid, June 30th Letter of Intent), Alys Blue Tyger presented preliminary data to support a possible English-German lingual mix. Although we did not use these data in the consideration of that submission, I am calling for further evidence and commentary on whether we should allow such a combination to be registered. If the data support this lingual mix, Appendix C of SENA would be revised accordingly.

From Pelican: Authenticity Requests and You

We've had a number of Letters of Intent in recent months where authenticity requests were either omitted or added by mistake, and the problems were not noticed until the end of the commentary period.

I'd like to point out that packets, including submission forms, do not need to be uploaded until the end of the month after the Letter of Intent is issued. For example, a July letter means that the packet has to be uploaded by the end of August. Access to the forms and anything marked private is limited to Submissions and Principal Heralds, Sovereigns of Arms, and staff. Therefore, only a small subset of commenters are able to review the packets and compare them against the information in the Letters of Intent, and even then, only for a portion of the commentary period. If the packets are uploaded late, the window to check the forms is compressed.

Omitted authenticity requests can—and often do—result in pended submissions. Incorrectly added requests waste the valuable time of our commenters, who spend time trying to give the submitters what they want (or at least what we think they want). We ask that Submissions Heralds please double check all Letters of Intent against the submission forms, and that commenters checking the packets please take more care in reviewing the submissions in a timely manner, especially once the packet has been uploaded.

West Acceptances - September LoAR

Esperanza Maria Diago. Name and device. Per chevron inverted purpure and argent, a scorpion fesswise argent and three hearts sable.

In commentary, Goutte d'Eau was able to document all three elements in the FamilySearch Historical Records, dated between 1570 and 1591.

Nice late period Spanish name!

Esther of Darkhaven. Reblazon of badge. Argent, a wyvern erect contourny wings addorsed sable.

Reblazoned in January 2014 as Argent, a wyvern segreant contourny sable, wyverns have only two legs and thus cannot be segreant.

Magnus Sigmarsson. Name and device. Per chevron inverted purpure and sable, a sea-dragon maintaining an axe and three Thor's hammers argent.

West Returns - September LoAR

(None)

In Service,
Krysta of Starfall,
Green Crown Pursuivant


SUBMISSONS – November (2014)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Angus Tyreson (NEW name, NEW device)

Per fess embattled argent and azure, two aurochs heads sable and a triskelion of spirals argent.
The submitted name was Angus Tyresson; we were not able to document the –ss formation in other than in Sweden, post-period; and post-1100 English/Norse formation is not permitted by SENA Appendix C. Any help to return his –ss to him would be appreciated. He checked the “spelling” box, and gave verbal permission during the meeting for this change.

Angus – At familysearch.org we find: Angus Hunte, burial date 1566 in Whitstable, Kent, England, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZ15-BMF batch I02247-7; Angus Beames, English marriages, dated 1558, Dover, Kent, England, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVB2-7TP batch M03656-1.

Tyreson – familysearch.org shows Tyre Jacobson, buried 1637, St. Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex England, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCVL-2WT batch B02857-4.

The[ –son] patronymic formation in English is shown in SENA Appendix A, as is the [given name + patronymic byname] formation.

Armory:

The original submission was, Per fess embattled argent and azure, two aurochs heads sable and a triskelion of spirals within and conjoined to an annulet argent. The triskelion of spirals within an annulet is a SFPP, and is two charges. This is therefore “slot-machine” and is not registerable. Submitter was consulted by Vesper, and gave permission to remove the annulet from the triskelion of spirals.

Device seems clear of conflict.


Aodhán Ó Ceallaigh (RESUB device) (to Laurel, administrative return May 2014 LoAR; Name registered Sept. 2013)

Per pale azure and sable semy of shamrocks argent, a pale wavy Or and in dexter two lions in pale argent.
The submitter has redrawn his device on the approved form with the approved escutcheon shape. We will tell him that the pale wavy needs to be more centered on the midline. Device still appears clear of conflict.


Bárekr Úlfsson (NEW name, see Returns for NEW device)

Submitted name: Bárek Úlfsson

Bárekr – In Bassi, this spelling is found on p. 8; the name written on the submission form (Bárek) had the terminal “r” missing; we have changed the name to the documented form to comply with his requested authenticity.

Úlfsson – In the article “Viking Names found in Landnámabók”, Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman), we find Ulfr between Þorleifr and Brandr. “A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names” by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman), states the “r” is dropped and the double “-sson” added to form a patronymic byname.

The Viking/Norse name formation [given name + patronymic byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.


Brodie MacMorrough (NEW name, see returns for NEW device)

We note that the submitter forgot to add the final “e” to the given name on his form. Matins spoke with him and he authorized the addition of the final “e” to his submission forms.

Brodie – found on familysearch.org: Roger Brodie, marriage 1599, Cheshunt, Hertford, England, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLSV-5XN batch M07225-2. The September 2012 LoAR Cover letter: http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/09/12-09cl.pdf established the use of Late Period English Given Names Derived from Family Names.

From Pelican: Late Period English Given Names Derived from Family Names
For the last two years, we have registered given names derived from late period English family names, based on a well attested pattern. Commenters have provided dozens of examples of this pattern for masculine names, as well as several examples of this pattern for feminine names (including Smith as a feminine given name). These examples are found both in the IGI index and in Withycombe, which mentions a grey period example of a woman named Essex. Various commenters have called for us to restrict the registration of these given names to submissions that are completely late period English names. However, this limitation would be a sharp departure from current policy. First, we would have no grounds to place this limitation on attested given names, which would include Smith, Leach, White, Bainbridge, Guildford, and Richardson, among others. A system which would allow Smith as a given name to be registered more easily than Ashley would create confusion. Second, by long precedent we treat constructed name elements exactly as attested ones. Therefore, we will continue to register these constructed given names in any context suitable for an attested late period English given name. We note that this pattern has not been documented in Scotland or Ireland. As such, family names only found in Scotland and Ireland cannot be used to create given names. However, many family names spread from Scotland and Ireland into England. In general, family names documented in sixteenth century England may be used to create given names, even if they are of Scottish or Gaelic origin.

MacMorrough – Submitter requested “McMorrow”; we could not find this spelling in period. In “Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents: Men's Names” by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien), under Typical Form: Brian, Variant Spelling: Brian, we find Brian m'Morrough gancagh M'Shei. m’ is a scribal abbreviation for “Mac” and submitter states “sound” is most important; we have therefore changed the submitted name. If anyone can document the submitted spelling, submitter would be happy.


Catrin Aderyn (NEW badge)

(Fieldless) Two chevronels within and conjoined to an annulet argent.
Badge seems to be clear of conflict.


Chiara Fornera (NEW name, NEW device)

Per fess nebuly sable and gules, two dragonflies and a rose argent slipped and seeded Or.
Language – Italian; important if the name NEEDED TO BE CHANGED. We are submitting the name as written on the form - it did NOT need to be changed.

Chiara – In “Sixteenth Century Venice, Names of Venetian Women before 1600,” Juliana de Luna (Julie Smith), between Cecilia and Christina.

Fornera – It is found in familysearch.org, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FFXT-P68: Giralda Fornera, married San Julian, Fortia, Gerona, Spain 1591, batch M87628-2. Fornera is also found in “Sixteenth Century Venice…”, Juliana de Luna (Julie Smith), under the heading “some occupations found in this data (that were NOT found as bynames),” showing the meaning “baker.” This is plausibly an occupational byname in Italian.

The name formation [given name + occupational byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA as appropriate for Italian and Iberian (Spanish) name formation. Italian and Iberian (Spanish) are compatible per SENA Appendix C.

Armory:

Appendix H lists gules and sable as an allowable “low-contrast” division for rayonny and indented; we believe nebuly is the same level of complexity. Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Clarice Walker (RESUB name) (to Laurel)

Submitter’s current registered name is a holding name, Katherine of Danegeld Tor. Submitter’s prior requested name, Katherine Robinson, was returned for conflict with Katryna Robin under RfS, and would now be clear under SENA. Submitter has elected to choose a wholly different name.

Clarice – Found in Withycombe, pp. 67-68, not uncommon in the 13th-14th century: Clarice 1273

Walker – Found in Reaney & Wilson, p. 473, Richard le Walkere 1248; Richard le Walker 1260

The English name formation [given name + byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.


Farleigh de Grey (NEW name, NEW device)

Per chervron azure and argent, two thistles argent and a griffin sergeant maintaining a tankard gules within a bordure counterchanged argent and sable
Language: English

Farleigh – In this spelling, this is submitter’s legal given name (drivers license supplied showing this spelling); familysearch.org shows Johes. Farleigh, marriage date 07 Aug 1592, Ugborough, Devon, England; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2TG-CQV batch M05177-1; Margeria Farleigh, christening date 28 Nov 1581, Ugborough, Devon, England; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N563-R8S batch C05177-1. The September 2012 LoAR Cover letter: http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/09/12-09cl.pdf established the use of Late Period English Given Names Derived from Family Names.

de – standard locative article

Grey – “de Grey” is a locative interpolated from dated forms in R&W revised ed, sn. Gray, which lists Phillip le Grey 1296 and Henry de Gray 1196.

The English name formation [given name + locative article + locative byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA. The sound of the elements are within 500 years and from the same culture, and the spelling “Farleigh” is considered neutral in time and place due to the legal name allowance SENA PN1.B.2.e.

Armory:

Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Fiora Lucia Lion (NEW name)

Fiora, Lucia – Found in “Italian Renaissance Women’s Names”, Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale, http://heraldry.sca.org/names/italian.html.

Lion – Found in “Late Period Italian Women’s Names: Venice”, Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/Nuns/Venice.shtml.

The Italian name formation [given name + given name + byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.


Genevieve Elizabeth of Roseberry Topping (NEW device)

Per chevron embattled gules and argent, two roses argent slipped and leaved in chevron vert, and a dragon gules
Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Godwin de Newbury (NEW name, NEW device)

Vert, on a bend sinister between two lions Or, three trefoils palewise sable.
Requests authenticity for 12th-13th century England.

Godwin – Withycombe, E G - The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, p. 137; Goduin(e) d. 1086; Godin d. 1273, Godun d. 1273; Gaudinus d. 1347

de – locative article (we have changed the De to de to comply with submitter’s request for an authentic name)

Newbury – We cannot document this spelling to 12th – 13th century; Ekwall, p. 339 shows Neuberie d. 1080. R&W sn. Newberry shows Henry de Neubury dated to 1279. We also have Godwin de Neweberia dated to 1190. Submitter will accept changes to make the name authentic for 12th – 13th century; if the College has further resources to document his submitted spelling, we and the submitter will be grateful.

The English name formation [given name + locative byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.

Armory:

Device was submitted with cross-potenty-fitchy looking trefoils; submitter was consulted and the trefoils were redrawn as correct trefoils. Device appears to be clear of conflict. Device is is close to Vert, on a bend sinister between two lions Or, a dragon’s headpalewise contourney sable (Efenwealt Wystle, December 1996, Atlantia).


Grímr Mac Loċlainn (Lo{c.}lainn) (NEW name, NEW device)

Quarterly azure and sable, a valknut and a bordure embattled argent.
Grímr – Found in Bassi, on p. 10.

Mac Loċlainn – In Woulfe, p. 108, we find Mac Loċlainn; Woulfe, p. 387, states “son of Loċlainn, a name of Norse origin” and, “before the 13th c. the most powerful family in Ulster.” Ó Loċlainn is dated to the 10th Century on p. 585.

The name formation [given name + patronymic byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA. Norse prior to 1100 and Gaelic prior to 1100 are compatible per SENA Appendix C.

Armory:

Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Hosokawa Shigeyoshi (NEW name, NEW device)

Argent, a dragonfly sable within eight gouts d’larmes bases to center.
Hosokawa - surname found in “Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan” (Rev. ed. 2004), p. 106 provided, also found on pp. 150, 318 and 404. Submitter provides printout of Wikipedia article for “Hosokawa clan” dating it to at least as early as the Muromachi era (1336-1467).

Shigeyoshi – nanori (personal name) also found in “Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan” (Rev. ed. 2004), p. 265 provided, also found on pp. 268, 295, 302, and 355. Submitter provided printout of Wikipedia entry for Matsudaira Shigeyoshi (1493-1580).

The name is a correctly formed wholly Japanese name.

Armory:

Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Jørgen Rasmussen (NEW name, NEW device)

Azure mullety a calamarie argent.
Most important to the submitter is the sound (ø) in the given name.

Jørgen – familysearch.org shows Jørgen Franch Skolemester, birth date 1591, burial date 1664, Skjern, Viborg, Denmark; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FVL1-P5S batch B00364-6.

Rasmussen – familysearch.org shows Jörgen Rasmussen, birth date 1575, burial date 1652 in Havnbjerg, Sonderborg, Denmark; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FV5K-868 batch B39419-6.

The name formation is illustrated in the familysearch,org reference documenting the surname. This is a wholly Danish late-period name.

Armory:

Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Lei Shou (NEW name, see returns for NEW device)

Lei - is a surname found in “A Chinese Biographical Dictionary” by Herbert A. Giles (https://archive.org/details/chinesebiodictionary00gileuoft ) “Lei Huan”, dated to 3rd century C.E., p. 418, entry #1089; “Lei I”, dated to 2nd century C.E., p. 418, entry #1090.

Shou - is a given name found in “Biographical Dictionary of Chinese Women: Antiquity through Sui, 1600 B.C.E.-618 C.E.” by Lily Xiao Hong Lee and A.D. Stefanowska; “Fu Shou”, dated to 214 C.E., p. 142; “Sun Shou,” dated to 153-154 C.E., p.119, sn. Den Mengnü; p. 402, “Glossary of Chinese Names”.

This is a wholly Chinese name; both elements are dated to the 2nd through 3rd centuries.


Liam MacCallum (NEW name, NEW device) resub to kingdom

Per pale vert and azure, a lion contourny Or, in canton a crescent argent.
Liam – provides copy of birth certificate for documentation under the legal name allowance.

MacCallum – Black, p. 463, sn. MACCALLUM, shows Iain M’Callum uc Raldounoch as the name of a murder victim in 1647. M’Callum is a scribal shortening for MacCallum. If necessary, note the name Micheila MacCallum (October 1989, via West), which is registered to his biological mother, Kimberly Lea Cumming Gallagher (see birth certificate).

The Scots name formation [given name + patronymic byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA. The given name “Liam” has no cultural nor temporal assignment, being submitted under the legal name allowance, SENA PN1.B.2.e.

Armory:

Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Magnus Mackintosh (NEW device, name in submission)

Per bend argent and gules, two martlets counterchanged sable and argent.
Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Malie inghean Ċathail ({C.}athail) (NEW name, NEW device)

Argent, a phoenix gules, on a chief sable two decrescents Or.
Malie - “A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records – Part Three: Post-1400 Names” by Talan Gwynek (Brian M. Scott <http://heraldry.sca.org/ names/scottishbem.html> ). “Malie 1567 [MIDDLEMAS, 599] (A diminutive of Mary.)”

inghean - “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names: by Sharon L. Krossa (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/ ). “The standard way to form a name using a simple patronymic byname for women is: <single given name> inghean <father’s given name (in genitive case & always lenited unless starting with D, T, L, N, R, or a vowel)>.”

Ċathail - “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Cathal” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O’Brien) (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cathal.shtml ) The Irish Gaelic name Cathal is documented as a male given name from years 619 through 1578. The spelling remains constant through these years, with the accepted nominative form Cathal and the genitive form Cathail. “The spelling of Lenited Consonants in Gaelic” by Sharon L. Krossa (http://medievalscotland.org/scotlang/lenition.shtml). The accepted lenited spelling after approximately 1200 AD for the letter “C” is either “Ch” or “?”.

The Scottish/Irish name formation [given name+ patronymic marker + father’s given name] is shown in Appendix A in SENA. SENA Appendix C shows Irish and Scottish as the same region.

Armory:

Device appears to be clear of conflict.


Margaret Pye (NEW name, NEW device)

Argent, a magpie close proper within an orle of pomegranates gules.
Meaning of the name is important to the submitter: associated with magpie. Language/culture is important to the submitter: 16th century English.

Margaret Pye – familysearch.org shows Margaret Pye, burial date 1591; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCM6-VPT batch B00062-8. We do not believe Margaret Pye, burial date 1591, is an “important” enough person to protect.

The name formation [given name + byname] is documented by the familysearch.org record, and is shown in SENA Appendix A as correct for late-period English names.

Armory:

Device appears to be clear of conflict. However, we note Caitlin ni Cáilean de Bri: this badge associated with this name was reblazoned in October of 2002: Argent, a raven close sable perched upon and supported by a rowan branch leaved and fructed proper. We were able to see a scan of the emblazon, and the branch appears to be at least a sustained secondary, and therefore there is a DC for changing the number of secondaries, and a DC for changing the type of secondaries. We request yet another reblazon of Caitlin’s badge, to make it clear whether or not this branch is sustained.


Michael von Wolfsburg (NEW name, NEW device returned for conflict)

Michael – Found in “Database of medieval names”, Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman), under Culture: German.

von – locative article.

Wolfsburg – The name Andreas von Wolfburg was registered July, 2012 via Meridies. Aelfwynn from Drachenwald supplied documentation for the “von Wolfsburg” in the 2012 registration, to wit:

“The period spelling of Wolfsburg that I found was Wulfsborch on the ortelius maps. It's on the Braunschweig map, Ort. 99: http://www.orteliusmaps.com/book/ort99.html  (there's a link from there to the list of topographical names on the map).
The u/o switch is, I think, a Low German/High German thing, and in any case not that uncommon, and we didn't document it individually in the meeting. But I can provide citations with dates and photocopies from Lexikon Bayerischer Ortsnamen (Wolf-Armin Frhr. v. Reitzenstein is the author) to support the spelling Wolf- as a prototheme in place names in southern Germany in *checks* 14th, 15th, 16th centuries from a single entry and probably other centuries if I look harder (or maybe in the companion book on Frankisch names).

The spelling -burg I documented in the meeting from the same book, it's all over the place. This is the citation I provided in the meeting: s.n. Neuburg a.d. Donau; Neunburg super Danubium 1189; Newburg 1405; Neuburg an der Dona 1520.” (Additional documentation to be provided by Aelfwynn in commentary)

The German name formation [given name + locative article + location] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.


Sitt an-Nis{a-} al-Karahisariya (NEW name, NEW device)

Argent, a coney rampant regardant azure between in fess a decrescent and a fleur-de-lys gules.
This is a Pennsic Consultation Table submission.

Documentation summary provided by Pennsic consultation table, no printouts provided for various citations. This documents “al-Nis{a-}”, not “an-Nis{a-}”; we understand that some commenters will provide additional documentation to show the equivalency. Please look for said documentation in commentary.

Sitt an-Nis{a-} - is an Arabic given name: Names in the pattern “Sitt” + an appropriate descrition meaning “lady of X” or “mistress over X” (where X is often a group of people is found in “Jewish Women’s Names in an Arab Context: Names from the Geniza of Cairo” by Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/geniza.html/) Here “al-Nis{a-}” means “the women,” parallel to the documented “Sitt al-Banat” (mistress over the girls). It is also found as the name of the mother of a 13th century Moroccan sultan according to Discover Islamic Art in the Mediterranean (<http://books.google.com/books?id= gA3dSILBG38C> ).

al-Karahisariya - The byname is intended to mean “from/of Karahisar.” Wikipedia says that Karahisar is a town in Turkey founded in the 1530s by the Turkmens. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/karahisar ). European and Islamic Trade in the Early Ottoman State by Kate Fleet ((http://books.google.com/books?id=mJH6qSZiNz0C ) suggest that the name was earlier.

Most important: Sound = “Neesa”. Submitter will not accept dropping “Nis{a-}.

Armory:

Device was researched using the complex search form at the Herald’s Collegium on Saturday. Device appears to be clear of conflict.


ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Bárekr Úlfsson (NEW device returned – low contrast with the field)

Vert, a saltire argent, overall a wolf salient sable.
Per SENA A.3.B.4.a, the “overall” charge must have good contrast with the field, not the ordinary (in this case, the saltire), so this must be returned. As submitter blazoned, “on” the saltire, this appears to be clear of conflict.


Brodie MacMorrough (NEW device returned)

Argent, a lion gules between two triquetra each interlaced with an annulet sable, on a chief embattled gules a sword fesswise argent.
The triquetra interlaced with an annulet, in the submitted triquetra-to-annulet ratio, are not reproducible. If they were removed, the device would be clear of conflict. If the submitter wants the triquetra interlaced with an annulet, the triquetra need to be much larger, with the annulet remaining the same size as submitted, such that there are clear “see-through” spaces within the lobes of the triquetra and on both sides of the annulet.


James Kristoff (NEW name returned, NEW device returned)

James –Withycombe, E G - The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, p. 170, d. 1138 through the 16th c.

Kristoff – Found in “Database of medieval names” under Christopher as a German given name; source is “German Names from Nurnberg, 1497” by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman).

The English/German name formation is disallowed by SENA Appendix C; we were unable to document James as a German given name. Kristoff would be acceptable as an unmarked patronymic in German, but would need to be submitted with a German (or compatible) given name. Alternately, the submitter can select from several English names which are related, and therefore have a similar sound to “Kristoff”.

Armory:

Per pale azure and argent, a bear head afrontee erased counterchanged, a bordure sable mullety of four Or.
Device appears to be clear of conflict. The erased line on the bear’s neck is feathery or fluffy. Period armory practice for erased is fewer, larger “lobes” of neck fur or skin. We will write a consultation return letter to cover these issues.


Lei Shou (NEW device return for conflict)

Per pale sable and gules, a fox queued of nine tails sejant contourny Or.
Device is in conflict with Sara of Salaparuta (Sept. 2014, East): Per pale sable and vert, a talbot sejant contourny Or collared gules maintaining a roundel Or (no difference granted for number of tails, cited December 2009). This conflict was JUST registered, and so could not have been discovered when the submission was sent to us for consideration. Submitter may be able to obtain a letter of permission to conflict.


Michael von Wolfsburg (NEW device returned for conflict)

Bendy argent and gules, a wolf rampant sable.
Submitted device is in conflict with Philip Dyemoke (registered March 1975, West): Potent, a wolf rampant sable. At the meeting it was determined that adding an orle sable, or a rose argent (nod to Ginevra’s “silver rose” status) on the wolf’s chest would clear the conflict. Submitter has elected to add the rose, but did not get the replacement forms to the Matins Office in time to be considered with this letter. We will send the device on with the January meeting business.


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