Minutes of the May, 2014 Heralds Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – May 11, 2014 (12:49 pm to 4:30 pm)

The meeting was held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley, CA. In general, all future meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

ATTENDEES:
Frederick of Holland, Vesper; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Matins; Astrith of Swansvale, Latimer, eilis o’boirne, Banner; Krysta of Starfall, Green Crown; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Greencloak/Black Mark; Anne FitzRichard, Seawolf; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Matilda FitzRichard, Nebuly Pursuivant; Moira O’Connor, PaL; Mikael Auraprester, Pursuivant Extraordinare; Scandal nic Mhaireade, cornet; Maythen Gervais, cornet; Dafydd Waleis, cornet; Katerina fe Faie, cornet.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
Heralds’ Meetings for 2014: July 13; September 21; November 16 (no meeting in June, August, October, and December, 2014), and January 4, 2015 (road show at 12th Night). Meetings will start at 11 AM, beginning with the July 13, 2014 meeting.

Walk-in submissions will be held over until the following meeting at the discretion of Matins unless they arrive early enough to be processed in before the scheduled start of the meeting.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com . This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.


REPORTS

Vesper: Krysta of Starfall, Green Crown Pursuivant, is “emergency backup” deputy to Vesper. (mka Krysta M. Scott, 564 Broadmoor Blvd., San Leandro, CA 94577; ktmcg@yahoo.com; 510-910-7428)

CALENDAR
Meeting Dates in 2014 (changing to an every-other-month schedule as the quantity of business to be discussed doesn’t seem to be enough to require monthly meetings): Sept 21, Nov 16, (road show at 12th Night) Jan 4 2015


ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business

Laurel requires now 0 (zero) paper submissions – we need only one copy and Matins doesn’t mail anything to Laurel, just sends scans. Effective immediately we will only require from submitters:

Name submission: one copy and documentation
Device submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, with documentation if needed
Badge submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, documentation as needed
Money: $10 for name+device or name+badge, $6 for individual submissions.

The submission form needs to be updated (it still says 4 copies), but we are in-line for Laurel to get us new Laurel forms - Moira is working with Laurel office for new updated forms- so we will not be making that change in the current forms.

Colored submissions are still required to be hand colored using markers, not crayons or pencils, and must be colored with “quality markers” so colors don’t change; we encourage the use of Crayola Classic markers. If the submission is not colored in true colors, the College is required to send it back.

SUBMISSIONS GUIDELINES

GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm.

BRACHET MEETINGS
The office of Brachet is currently vacant, no Brachet meetings are being held.


EXCERPTS FROM THE LOARS

The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

January 2014 LoAR (printed 12 March 2014) (No West LoI)

Cover letter

From Laurel: Online Notifications

While Istvan announced the availability of OSCAR integrated online notifications to submissions heralds some time ago, we realized recently, thanks to some questions, that we have never officially announced that they were an acceptable means of doing notifications.

OSCAR notifications are considered part of kingdom records, and so notifications that are picked up electronically via OSCAR do not need to be otherwise saved separately.

Notifications that are not picked up in a timely fashion will need to be followed up some other way as usual.

If anyone has suggestions on making them work better, or making the workflow better, please do contact Istvan - the current system was the first idea, but there have not yet been any suggestions on making it work better.

From Pelican Emeritus: The Obligatory Thanks

I have had a great three and a half years doing this job. It would never have gone so smoothly had it not been for the capable help of many people. I want to thank first the behind the scenes computer types: Istvan Non Scripta, Daniel Troll, and Reis Codex. Without you three, the Letters of Acceptances and Returns would never have gotten done. The ability to say "Reis, you fix it" and to know that it would be done is priceless. Wu and Shauna kept the paperwork in order and made sure that we caught the little mistakes along the way. Thanks for all your help.

I want to thank my staff, who helped me with meetings, researched items for me, proofread, and generally tried to keep me from making mistakes: Ælfwynn, Alisoun, Richenda, Mari, Lillia, Marie, Gisela, Istvan, Ursula, Shauna, Brunissende, Jeanne Marie, Elsbeth, Alys, Helena, Yehuda, Nicolas, Illuminada, Gwenllian, Aryanhwy, Daniel, Elisabeth, Margaret, Herveus, and Katla. Without you, my decisions would have been the poorer and my mistakes far more numerous.

Thanks to my partners in this madness: Istvan and Emma as Wreath; Olwynn, Elisabeth, and Gabriel as Laurel; Marie for taking over as Palimpsest on very little notice and finishing up SENA; and especially to my predecessor Aryanhwy, to Mari for stepping in for a few months, and to Lillia for being brave enough to take my place. You've made this job a joy.

Finally, special thanks to Richenda, who supported me endlessly through this. I'm so glad that you're in my life.

To all the rest of you: it's been an honor and a privilege to work with you. I look forward to continuing to comment and working with all of you in the College of Arms.

From Pelican (Emeritus): Some Name Resources (an ongoing series)

When I started writing these in June of 2010, little did I know how much material we'd cover. I hope that you've found these useful, and that you've enjoyed reading them at least as much as I've enjoyed writing them.

To conclude this series, I want to point out a few criteria that you might use in judging name resources, whether articles, books, or online resources. The first thing I look for in a resource is spelling variability. If names are always spelled in the same way, that's a sign that the source has been normalized. Normalized forms are not always a problem, but many editors also modernize the names and sometimes Anglicize them. Thus, you can have a source about period people, sometimes even one that includes period texts, that still doesn't give us the period name forms. This is a particular problem in languages that use special characters, like accented letters or other diacritical marks; editors often silently add them, even in historical periods when they were not used or were not used consistently. Along with that, I expect period documents that refer to people to use different forms of names (with and without titles and bynames, for example) as they mention the same person again and again. A document that always uses exactly the same phrasing to talk about a person is one that's probably been altered by a modern editor.

Good name information is dated information. In general, an article or book that has few specific dates is a problem. You have to be careful with this, as sometimes dates are hidden in plain view. For example, italicized forms in Woulfe are dated to Ireland in the time of either Elizabeth I or James I. Similarly, italicized forms in Geirr Bassi are dated to Iceland in the settlement period (9th-10th century).

For a few times and places, dated names are hard to come by. Our work on Arabic and Mongolian names largely depends on articles that include longer time periods than we prefer. However, the sources from which these data are taken cover long periods of time and do not always date people's lives clearly enough to attach dates to an individual name citation. So, where more precisely dated material is not available, using less precisely dated citations is acceptable. But do make sure that there are good reasons to think the citation is period: names and bynames have continued to be created (and to be spelled in different ways) after the end of the Renaissance.

From Pelican: Greetings and Thanks

Hello! I am Lady Lillia de Vaux, and started as Pelican on the first of the year. I'd like to thank Gabriel Laurel and the rest of the team for their help during the transition. I'd especially like to thank Juliana for being a great mentor, teacher, and friend, and for encouraging me to take on the job.

For those who don't know me, I reside in the Shire of Hartshorn-dale, East Kingdom (Philadelphia suburbs). I've been a herald since approximately 2006, and served as the East's submissions herald for several years. I look forward to working with the College, and hope to see many of you this year at KWHSS, Northshield's heraldic symposium, Pennsic, and other events.

From Pelican: Acceptable Batches for FamilySearch Historical Records

A name submission this month relied on a B batch record at FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi). This batch had previously not been ruled acceptable as sole documentation for a name element. We are correcting this omission: B batches from the indexed records at FamilySearch are now acceptable as documentation. Otherwise, the information in the September 2012 Cover Letter is still valid:

In general batches beginning with C, J, K, M (except M17 and M18), or P are acceptable. If you use another batch, please address why you believe it to be a period spelling of the name. For example, I batches are taken from indices created at various points in the past. Thus, some names in this batch are normalized, and earlier indexes may reflect out of date scholarship. When citing an IGI record be sure to include the batch number.

From Wreath: Phases of the Moon

The "phases of the moon" motif of a roundel between an increscent and a decrescent has long been considered a step from period practice. As early as August 1989 it was declared "not really period style," but did not seem to be considered a step from period practice until September 1998. We know that the motif of an X between two Ys is a fairly common one in later period English armory. Non Scripta found evidence of a rose between two lions combattant and a mullet between two lions combattant, and Elmet added a fleur-de-lys between two rabbits passant respectant, all in English armory. Orle actually found a roundel between a decrescent and an increscent in Italian armory. We have never considered an X between two Ys respectant to be considered a step from period practice with any other combination of charges, only with a roundel and crescents, which is not consistent. Therefore, we are overturning past precedent. This motif is no longer considered a step from period practice.

From Wreath: SENA A3D2c and Arrangements, One More Time

A few submissions this month had commenters discussing whether or not they violated "unity of arrangement." SENA A3D2c, Unity of Posture and Orientation, does not actually govern arrangement on the field. Specifically, it states in full:

The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross, combatant, or in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K.

Precedent set on the May 2012 Cover Letter stated that "if the charges in a single charge group do not have comparable postures, they are not in violation of the "identical postures/orientations" part of the rule. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement." That last sentence has been interpreted, along with the reference to Appendix K, to mean that only arrangements found in Appendix K are valid. However, we also ruled on the November 2012 Cover Letter that Appendix K is not meant to be all inclusive, and that "charges in a single group split in two by a field division or a central ordinary that are placed to reasonably fill the space available to them and that are similar to period patterns will be considered to be in a default arrangement, and they do not require their exact positioning to be blazoned."

We feel some clarity is in order. An arrangement of charges within a group that is blazonable is registerable, as long as it does not otherwise violate the unity of posture and orientation rule by having different postures/orientations amongst the group. In short, when you have comparable postures/orientations amongst the charges in a group, they should be in the same posture/orientation. For example, three swords in pall and an arrow fesswise has comparable charges in different orientations and would therefore be a violation of A3D2c, but four mullets in chevron and a rose would not. The latter may be poor style, but at this point we are not inclined to further restrict charge group arrangement upon the field.

West Acceptances - January LoAR

Esther of Darkhaven. Reblazon of badge. Argent, a wyvern segreant contourny sable.

Reblazoned in September 2006 as Argent, a wyvern contourny bendwise sinister, wings addorsed, sable, the original blazon from January 1973 was Argent, a wivern volant to sinister semi-displayed sable, taloned, orbed and langued gules. An examination of the original submission form shows that the wyvern is essentially erect with the legs in front of its body, not passant or statant with the legs partially or completely underneath it.

West Returns - January LoAR

(None)

February 2014 LoAR (printed 6 April 2014) (29 November 2013 West LoI)

Cover letter

From Laurel: Job Opening - Laurel Sovereign of Arms

The Laurel Principal Sovereign of Arms (Laurel) is the principal heraldic officer of the Society and the head of the College of Arms. Laurel is responsible for fostering the study and practice of heraldry, supervising the processing of submissions, and overseeing the heraldic activities of the Known World.

Laurel is an unpaid position, currently requiring approximately 20 hours a week. The position requires considerable tact and patience, armory and onomastic knowledge, supervisory ability, the ability to work within tight deadlines and coordinate closely with Wreath, Pelican, and other staff to produce a Laurel Letter of Acceptance and Return monthly, computer literacy and word processing skills, reliable e-mail and telephone access, and time and ability to travel.

Resumes must be sent in both hard copy to Laurel Resume, SCA Inc., Box 360789, Milpitas CA 95036 and electronically to bids@heraldry.sca.org. Resumes must be received by June 1, 2014. The present Laurel's warrant expires in September 2014. Once the application period closes, the names of the candidates will be posted in a cover letter for the review of the College.

From Laurel: A Candidate for Wreath Queen of Arms

Several days ago, we posted Brunissende Dragonette's letter of intent for Wreath; you can find it at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=2509. We encourage you to share your opinions on OSCAR or to communicate directly to the Laurel office.

From Laurel Archivist: Archive Requests Reminder

Please send all archive requests through the official email archivist@heraldry.sca.org. This will ensure continued prompt response as well as enabling better tracking of types and numbers of requests over time. While most replies will be prompt, it should be remembered that some items may need to be retrieved from the not-yet-scanned archives, and the weather may impact the timeliness of responses at times.

West Acceptances - February LoAR

Gregor Hawke. Device. Per pale embattled Or and azure, a hawk's head erased azure and two caltrops in pale Or.

Kathryn Onora. Device. Argent, in saltire a bow and a needle inverted sable threaded gules, a gore vert ermined argent.

West Returns - February LoAR

(None)

March 2014 LoAR (printed 1 May 2014) (No West LoI)

No West letter of intent was considered at this meeting. Thus there were no acceptances or returns at the May Laurel meeting. However, some armory was reblazoned.

Cover letter

From Laurel: Regarding Commentary

Laurel commenters are tasked with assisting Wreath, Pelican, and Laurel in making good decisions on approval or return of devices, based on SENA. Commentary that is secondary to the point at hand risks readers (including the aforementioned) losing the point - a signal-to-noise ratio problem. Sorting through long tangential discussions does take time, and if the point is mixed in there somewhere we spend additional time editing the discussion for clarity's sake. In the days of paper, comments were limited by necessity; while the monetary cost of commentary is now negligible, the time cost as it impacts the length of decision meetings has greatly increased.

I recently addressed this with the Principal Heralds, and it bears repeating here. While I have often said that you can use OSCAR for education, what I mean is that you can use it to review what people are saying and learn from that on both how to comment and how senior heralds are seeing things.Questions not specifically related to the registerability of the submission at hand should be taken offline from OSCAR - approach the person privately, or ask another herald for more information or clarification. This is more respectful of everyone's time.

From Laurel: Translations of Documentation

The Admin Handbook states that, "translations must be provided for any sources not in English". In a name submission this month a translation was not provided, and the question was raised whether the documentation needed to be provided in English in order to consider the item.

The answer is that it depends on the source and the nature of the documentation. Rarely do we need to translate entire documents. Usually, we just need the critical information, with enough context to interpret it - this could just be a sentence or two, or up to a few paragraphs, depending on the complexity of the information. For example, we might need just a sentence of a legal document showing a name in context, or a paragraph from a museum description of an extant piece being used to document a heraldic charge. An obvious list of names generally doesn't need a translation.

We understand that submitters, consulting heralds, and kingdom heralds may not have the expertise to provide translations of every language we encounter, and that automated translation systems do not always provide good results. If this is the case, please state this in the Letter of Intent, and provide the text in question (and even a partial translation, if possible) so that the information can be discussed in commentary.

From Laurel: Silent Herald Deputy Applications Sought

In order to encourage and promote the use and equality of Silent Heraldry at all courts and events in which the entire populace attends, and to assist the silent heralds in their dealings with the Crown, the Silent Heraldry Deputy of Laurel Sovereign of Arms coordinates efforts and communication throughout the SCA. Silent Heralds in the Society are heralds who express auditory information into visual and/or tactile information used by deaf and hard-of-hearing people.

This deputy is tasked with the following duties, plus other such tasks as assigned by Laurel:

Working with Kingdoms to improve the organization of silent heraldry and its integration with other court and event heralds.

Working with Kingdoms and Laurel to improve education regarding silent heraldry, both for silent heralds themselves and the general populace.

Acting as a resource for silent herald programs.

Preparing quarterly reports to Laurel on the status of such programs.

Please email your resume (SCA and modern if appropriate) as well as a short description of your experience related to this job to Laurel at laurel@heraldry.sca.org. The application period ends on May 15, 2014, with the decision being made immediately thereafter.

From Pelican: Legion XXIV and Acceptable Sources for Roman Names

In January, we made the following ruling:

Due to the number of mistakes in the Legion XXIV "Roman Names" article, it should not be used as the sole documentation for a name element. We recommend instead that submitters use the articles on Roman names found at http://heraldry.sca.org/names.html#roman, such as the recently released "A Simple Guide to Imperial Roman Names" by Ursula Georges. [Quintus Artorius Mica, 01/2014, A-Caid]

This should have also been placed on a Cover Letter. I am correcting this omission.

Additional resources can be found at the Academy of Saint Gabriel site (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/otherearly.shtml#roman). Please note that these sources are not no-photocopy, with the exception of the client reports and articles also on the Laurel website.

From Pelican: More Name Resources (Not Quite a Series)

Pelican Emeritus is a hard act to follow. Her name resources series lasted the length of her tenure and covered a wide range of languages. I plan to spotlight some of our lesser-known, but very useful sources from time to time.

I'm kicking it off with a source for Scandinavian names: Diplomatarium Norvegicum. This is a 22 volume-and-growing set of transcribed documents and letters relating to Norway from c.1050 until 1590. These documents are mostly written in Middle Norwegian, with some Latin and Danish. If you are referring to a source for medieval Norwegian names, like Lind's Norsk-Isländska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn från Medeltiden, the names from Diplomatarium Norvegicum are generally listed with the standard abbreviation DN.

The University of Oslo extracted the information in the first 21 volumes, and made the database freely available.

In the advanced search form (http://www.dokpro.uio.no/dipl_norv/diplom_felt.html), the name element that you want to find goes in the text box labelled "Brevteksten". Wildcards are inserted using % (for parts of words) or an underscore (single character), which is extremely useful if you are looking for names that are parts of patronymics. If you wish to focus on a specific time period, you can set upper and lower limits with the "Fra og med år" (from, and including year) and "til og med år" (to, and including year) boxes. If you are not feeling particularly adventurous, an English version of the search form is also available (http://www.dokpro.uio.no/dipl_norv/diplom_field_eng.html). The "Text" box is under the section heading "Regesta and transcribed text of the diploma".

It is important to note that names in this source may be inflected forms (modified according to the grammar). In addition, the online version contains some typographical errors. If you are in doubt over a particular spelling, most of the print volumes have also been digitized and are available for free through the National Library of Norway (http://www.nb.no/nbsok/search.nbdigital). In addition, links to most of the print volumes can be found in Þora Sumarliðadóttir, "Diplomatarium Norvegicum" (http://www.morethancod.net/norwegian-onomastic-sources-diplomatarium-norvegicum), along with a short, but very useful guide to this source.

Next month, I will cover a similar source for Danish names, Diplomatarium Danicum.

From Wreath and Pelican: Check your URLs!

Submission heralds are cautioned to doublecheck your URLs and other citations for documentation. It's quite easy for a typo to sneak in and break a URL irreversibly. Documentation which is not viewable could negatively affect a submission, for obvious reasons.

West Acceptances - March LoAR

Wulf Sagan von Osten-See. Reblazon of device. Azure, a sea-lion between two endorses Or between in bend an escallop and a clenched gauntlet aversant argent charged on the cuff with a mullet gules.

Blazoned when registered in March 1981 as Azure, a sea lion erect between two endorses Or between in bend an escallop palewise and a dexter gauntlet tergiant clenched palewise argent charged on the cuff with a mullet gules, we no longer use the term tergiant with gauntlets.

West Returns - March LoAR

(None.)

In Service,
Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym ap Morgan o Erryrys,
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 11 May, XLVII (2014)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Æsa Uthersdottir (NEW name and device)

Per pale azure and gules, a pair of wings conjoined displayed argent .

We considered Francois le Féroce; (registered in March of 2004 via the East): Per chevron vert and argent, in chief a pair of wings argent.

However, compared to the East Kingdom Roll of Arms, there is NO visual similarity (and maybe Francois’ two separate wings, which are not a “pair” in the emblazon, need to be considered for re-blazon.

Æsa: Æsa is found nine times in the Landnámabók according to Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman), “Viking Names found in Landnámabók”, updated 01/20/2012, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html.

Uthersdottir: From the March 2013, Uther is British/Arthurian. It was registered several times recently, including in 2003 and 2004. In a Welsh context, we find Uther ap Elidar, B&Y 1315. Bromwich, "The Welsh Triads", also notes a couple of examples. Utherson as a patronymic was registered in July 2005 in conjunction with the Norse given name Leif, and again in April 2011 (for Alfarr Utherson) with the following commentary:

“This name mixes English and Old Norse, which is a step from period practice. Uther is registerable as a literary name on the basis of its use in Arthurian literature. Commenters questioned how early the figure of Uther was known, because a literary name cannot (of course) predate the use of the name in literature. The story of Uther appears in Monmouth's 12th century History of the Kings of Britain. Given this, there is not a second step from period practice for temporal incompatibility, and the name can be registered.”

“Uthersdottir” would be the correct formation for a female child of Uther; (Bassi, p.17).


Aimeric de Fois (NEW name and device)

Sable, in bend sinister a plate between two billets argent.
No conflicts found.

Aimeric is found as Occitan; Foix as French, with Fois as Occitan; the formation “de XXX” is found in both languages on the Saint Gabriel pages listed below. The citations are from “French/Occitan Names from the XIII Century (A)” and “French/Occitan Names from the XIII Century (ARand were extracted from La chanson de la croisade de Guillaume de Tulède (ISBN 2-253-05084-9, texte originale, avec une adaptation en français de Henri Gougaud, Le Livre de Poche, Librairie Générale Française, Paris, 1989).

Aimeric: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ramon/occitan/occitan_a.html; found on p. 147 of the original source.

de: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ramon/occitan/occitan_a.html; http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ramon/occitan/occitan_r.html; example of this formation in same source.

Foix/Fois: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ramon/occitan/occitan_r.html; found on p. 89 of the original source.

As the submitter has requested authenticity for 12th/13th century southern France, we have changed the spelling to more closely match the documentation submitted.


Aine Redmond (NEW name and badge)

(Fieldless)A triangle inverted voided interlaced with a triquetra Or.
No conflicts found.

Aine: found in Withycombe, p. 7

Redmond: Reaney & Wilson p. 375 as a surname. The submitter provided a copy of her driver’s license so this is acceptable under the mundane name allowance as well.

Submitted as Aine nic Redmond, the “nic” formation is inconsistent with the surname Redmond. We are sending the name on as Aine Redmond as the submitter allows changes.


Aodhán Ó Ceallaigh (NEW device only, resub to kingdom)

Per pale wavy azure and sable seme of shamrocks argent, a pale wavy Or, two lions in pale argent.
This is a resubmission to kingdom. The original submission was identical but minus the “pale wavy.” This violates SENA which forbids low contrast (azure and sable) fields with complex lines of division. The addition of the “pale wavy Or” takes care of this problem.

Submitter will be told to make one more, and deeper, waves. Appears clear of conflict.


Aoife Clarscheouch (NEW name and device)

Argent, six harps purpure.
No conflicts found. Aoife: Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien), “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Feminine Given Names”, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/all.shtml dated to 1151-1250. Clarscheouch: Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman), “Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Tongue: Clarsair”, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/dost/clarsair.html dated to 1434.


Finna k{o,}ttr Godormsdottir (RESUB device only, device returned by Laurel; redrawn and resubmitted to Kingdom)

Per pale wavy sable and argent a nude woman statant affronty and a cat sejant counterchanged, on a chief vert three pawprints argent.
This was returned by Laurel on the November 2012 LoAR for vulgarity. It was suggested that figleafing in some fashion would be of “good thing.” It was resubmitted with the woman turned to face the cat which took care of the need for a figleaf, but added a second step from period practice. It has now been resubmitted with the lady’s modesty preserved by her hair. Thus, the submitter has redrawn this as directed by Laurel. No conflicts were found.


Jon FitzRolf (NEW badge only)

(Fieldless) A bezant surmounted by five arrows inverted and fretted, four in saltire and one in pale, vert.
Appears clear of conflict.


Katelinen van Walraversijde (NEW name and device)

Argent, three fish in annulo overt.
May conflict with Brendan MacRonan; registered in December of 1990 (via Calontir): Argent, a dolphin urinant vert. Please compare emblazons, because we do not know if the dolphin in this badge is an heraldic monster or a “Flipper.”

Katelinen: http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/dutch/plaiser.html ; Katelinen found ONE time in 1465; Katlinen found 35 times, from 1433 to 1469

van: Dutch standard locative formation. See Jan van Amstel, Flemmish painter 1500-1540.

Walraversijde: http://www.west-vlaanderen.be/kwaliteit/Leefomgeving/raversijde/ raversydeEN/Pages/ANNO1465Walraversijde.aspx#walraversijde Fishing village on the Belgian coast – “…In January 1394, when part of Ostend was inundated as a result of heavy storms, Walraversijde also suffered severe damage. Hectares of land disappeared under a thick layer of sand which had been blown inland from the dunes. This forced people to move, and the village was rebuilt further inland, behind the newly located dunes. The dunes were fortified in 1399 with a new dike…”


Michael of Foxwood (NEW name and device)

Vert, a sheaf of three arrows Or, on a chief argent a fox courant gules.
Appears clear of conflict.

Michael: found in Withycombe p. 218-219 from 12th century onward.

of: standard English locative article

Fox Wood: Fox is found in Reaney & Wilson, p. 176, examples include Foxele dated to 1197, Foxleigh dated to 1372; Foxton dated to 1303. In Reaney & Wilson, p. 205, we find the formation Greenwood.

Submitted as Michael of Fox Wood, we could not document the locative formation as two words. Submitter allows minor changes. Submitter would like the locative to be two words, if the CoA can find documentation for same.


Minamoto Shintaro Masashige (NEW name, see RETURNS for device)

Shintaro: Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan, Solveig Throndardottir, “Shin-“ from p. 218; “-taro” from p. 209

Masashige: ibid, p. 165

Minamoto: ibid, p.320

Submitted as “Shintaro Masashige Minamoto” the surname has been moved to the first position as is standard for Japanese name formation.


Nikolai Iastrebov (NEW name and device)

Per chevron azure and vert, in chief three bezants and in base a hawk rising Or.
Appears to be clear of conflict.

Nikolai: Paul Wickenden of Thanet (Paul Goldschmidt), “Dictionary of Period Russian Names - Section N”, http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/n.html , “Russianization” of Nicholas. “Nikolai” is dated to 1267 in this spelling as a metropolitan.

Iastrebov: Paul Wickenden of Thanet (Paul Goldschmidt), “Russian Ornithological Bynames”, http://www.goldschp.net/archive/birdnames.html (copy supplied)


Ragnall MacCormac (NEW device only; resub to kingdom, name in submission)

Per chevron vert and sable a chevron engrailed between an increscent, a decrescent and a wolf’s pawprint argent.
This is a resubmission of a kingdom return. The previous submission laced the “chevron engrailed . . . argent.” Thus, it fell afoul of the SENA provision banning complex lines of division between low contrast fields. The submitter has cleared that problem. The submitter will be instructed to draw the engrailed chevron thicker. No conflicts found.


Rebecca Redarrow (NEW name and device)

Or, a broadarrow gules, a chief embowed vert.
Appears clear of conflict.

Rebecca: Found multiple times in the records extraction database on FamilySearch.org, three of which are listed below with batch numbers:

Name:   Rebecca Adams
Christening Date:    1594
Christening Place:    HEMSBY, NORFOLK, ENGLAND
Father's Name:    Thomas Adams
Batch Number:    C04500-2
 
Name:    Rebecca Acton
Christening Date:    28 Sep 1589
Christening Place:    ST ANDREW, HOLBORN, LONDON, ENGLAND
Father's Name:    Myghell Acton
Batch Number:    C01051-1
 
Name:    Rebecca
Christening Date:    30 Oct 1580
Christening Place:    KINGS LANGLEY, HERTFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name:    Thomas Ewer
Batch Number:    C04813-2
Redarrow: From Ekwall, p. 383-384 we find place names formed Red-“x” (Redlynch, Redmarsh. The Arrow river is found in Ekwall, p.13.


ITEMS PENDED FOR CONSULTATION (SUBMITTED IN JUNE, 2014)

Esperanza Maria Diago (NEW name and device)

Per chevron inverted purpure and argent, a scorpion tergiant argent and three hearts sable.
Appears to be clear of conflict

(sound, female)

Esperanza: Tibon p. 169 under header Esperanza. [INTERNAL COMMENT: Discussion of use, which I don't fully understand.] Seemingly to 6th century CE. Diez Melcon: not listed in index, although it may be there in the text somewhere.

Maria: Tibon p. 352: under header Maria. No dates. Diez Melcon p. 90. Under Marina: Maria Marina dated to 1150.

Diago: [INTERNAL COMMENT: spelling not in Tibon or what I saw in Diez Melcon.] Diego is the given name, Diaz is the surname. In counting surname usage, Spain counts Diaz separately from Diez, so they may be different origins.

Diaz: Diez Melcon: p.137 under Didacus: Diazi, 929 CE. p.139 under continuation of Didacus: Pedro Diaz 1148, Martin Dias 1288. Currently the 14th most common surname in Spain.

Submitter made contact in June. Submissions will be processed that month.


Magnus Sigmarsson (NEW name and device)

Per chevron inverted purpure and sable, in chief a sea dragon erect maintaining an axe and in base three thor’s hammers argent.
Device appears to be clear of conflict.

(sound, male) Magnus: Bassi p.13

Sigmarsson: Bassi p. 14 has several names with Sig- as initial element. Bassi has several examples with -marr as a second element: Bjartmarr p.8, Do'marr p.9, Granmarr p.10, Gri'marr p.10, Ingimarr p.12, Valdimarr p.15, Vestmarr p.16. The patronymic is correctly formed according to Bassi, p.17

Submitter made contact in June. Submissions will be processed that month.


ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Aylwin MacNeill (RETURNED NEW device)

Quarterly azure and gules, a Talbot rampant contourney argent between in bend two triskeles Or.
The College of Heralds cannot accept submissions colored with crayons. We suggest that you use Crayola Classic markers for this purpose. The markers provide good heraldic color values and a much more even color saturation than crayons do. In addition, we don’t have to worry about the wax from the crayons causing a problem in storage in the future. Second, we were unable to find a “talbot” that matched your drawing and there was great disagreement at the meeting as to exactly what the animal was supposed to be, possibly a sheep(?). Third, the triskeles are unidentifiable and really need to be drawn larger. They are very difficult to see.

There appeared to be no conflicts with the proposed submission at the time of the meeting, although that can change.


Canute Mjoksiglindi (RETURNED NEW device only)

Quarterly sable and argent, a compass star and two rabbits combatant counterchanged.
We were unable to find any record of this name having been registered in the past as the name cannot be found in the armorial. The rules do not allow us to send a device submission on to Laurel without either a name submission to accompany it or a name having been previously registered. Therefore, this submission must be returned at this time. We will be happy to consider it if it is resubmitted along with a name submission.


Eleanor atte Walter of Liverpoole (RETURNED NEW device; NEW badge)

Per bend embattled gules and sable, in sinister canton a rose argent barbed vert.
This submission must be returned as it conflicts with House of York, Fieldless, a rose argent, important non-SCA badge. There is only one countable difference for changing the field from “fieldless” to the submitted per bend field.

Argent, on a roundel embattled gules a rose argent barbed vert.
While this submission appears to be clear of conflict, this design is very reminiscent of the Tudor rose which may not be used. We were also unsure whether the submitter intended the badge to have an “Argent” field or to be “Fieldless”. We are returning this badge for further consultation and redrawing.


James the Unhinged (RETURNED NEW name and device)

Azure, a hinge fracted argent.
A hinge is found in Parker, but found in only one coat of arms, “Sable, a fess between three door hinges argent”; family Cardinall. The hinge on Cardinall shows the pin in fess, not in pale. The submitted drawing appeared to the meeting attendees to be jester’s hats, not identifiable as a hinge.

James: Withycombe, p. 170-172, from 1240 forward.

the Unhinged: no documentation was provided for “unhinged” being a descriptive used prior to 1600 and we were unable to locate any in our resources.

The device submission must be returned because we cannot send it on without a valid name submission, and the name submission must be returned as “the Unhinged” cannot be documented as a descriptive byname in period.


Loðinn of Dragon’s Haven (Lo{dh}inn) (RETURNED RESUB name and RESUB device)

Per saltire Or and vert, a wolf’s head cabossed sable between in pale two drinking horns fesswise reversed gules and in fess two maidens’ busts argent.
The device appears to be clear of conflict at this time. However, it cannot be forwarded to Laurel without a name submission to accompany it. As the name submission is being returned, this device submission must also be returned.

Loðinn: Bassi, p. 13

of: standard English locative formation

Dragon’s Haven: This appears to be a place/group name, but no documentation was provided.

While Loðinn can be documented from Bassi, we were unable to document Dragon’s Haven as either a place name or a group name.


Minamoto Shintaro Masashige (RETURNED NEW device, see SUBMISSIONS for NEW name)

Per pale sable and gules, in chief two plates surmounted by two wolves’ heads erased respectant counterchanged, a bordure argent.
While the device appears clear of conflict, it must be returned for redrawing. The bordure is extremely thin and needs to be widened significantly. The plates will then need to be re-centered. Finally, the wolves’ heads need to have the erasing on their necks drawn in a more dramatic fashion with larger and longer dangly bits. In addition, the erasing needs to have an actual outline of the edge drawn in.


Sigrdrifa Volundrsdotir (RETURNED NEW name and device)

Vert, on a plate a wolf-headed horse rampant sable.
We are returning the device submissions for conflict with Anne of the Golden Mantle; registered in July of 1981 (via the East): Vert, on a plate a swan naiant, couped on the fess line, sable, with only one countable difference for changing the swan to a wolf-headed horse.

Sigrdrif: Submitted as “Sigrdrifa”, the element “Sigr-” is found in Bassi, p.14. However, “Drifa” is not found as an element, but as a complete name, in Bassi, p. 9, and is likely formed from the elements “Drif-“ and “-a”. We believe the correct two element formation would generate “Sigdrif” or “Sigrdrif”.

Volundrsdotir: No documentation was provided for either “Volundr” or “dotir” and we were unable to locate any in our materials. The name may need to use the “dottir” form, even if “Volundr” can be documented.


Olivia du Chat of Lion’s Keep (RETURNED NEW device only)

Azure, a winged lion and in sinister canton a crescent Or.
We were unable to find any record of this name having been registered in the past as the name cannot be found in the armorial. The rules do not allow us to send a device submission on to Laurel without either a name submission to accompany it or a name having been previously registered. Therefore, this submission must be returned at this time.


Thorollfir Knutson (NEW device only)

Per pale argent and gules, a tree blasted and eradicated counterchanged.
We were unable to find any record of this name having been registered in the past as the name cannot be found in the armorial. The rules do not allow us to send a device submission on to Laurel without either a name submission to accompany it or a name having been previously registered. Therefore, this submission must be returned at this time.


Ulrich von Matanuska (RETURNED NEW badge only)

Sable, a spear palewise argent.
We are returning this submission for the conflict with the following items. Each has only one difference from the submitted badge, but two differences are needed.

Middle, Kingdom of the; registered in May of 2000 (via the Middle): (Fieldless) A lance argent. for the Order of the White Lance. The only difference is the field.

Ghaltai Jida; registered in February of 2008 (via Atlantia): Sable, a spear bendwise sinister argent enflamed proper. The only difference is the position of the spear. The enflaming on Ghaltai’s device does not count for difference.


William atte Walter de Liverpoole (RETURNED NEW badge only)

Argent, on a roundel embattled argent, a cross gules, overall a cormorant wings elevated and addorsed sable.
This submission has four layers; the field, the roundel, the cross and the over-all bird. We are limited to three layers by our rules. In addition, we were unable to determine whether this was intended to be fieldless or on an argent field. If it was intended to have an argent field, then the roundel embattled is an argent charge on that argent field and would be totally invisible. This is also not allowed umder our rules. We are returning this badge for further consultation and redrawing.


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