Minutes of the March, 2014 Heralds Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – March 9, 2014 (12:16 am to 4:45 pm)

The meeting was held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley, CA. In general, all future meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

Frederick of Holland, Vesper; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Matins; Krysta of Starfall, Green Crown; Mikael Auraprester, Lurker; Aine inghean Tuathail, Pinnace; Hirsch von Henford, Golem Herald; Anne FitzRichard, Seawolf; Eilis o’Boirne, Banner; Moira O’Connor, PaL; Antonio Giordano, Baldric; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Maythen Gervaise, Cornet; David Wallace, Cornet; Kean de Lacy, PaL; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Greencloak/Black Mark; Scandal nic Mhaireade, Cornet.

Heralds’ Meetings for 2014: May 11; July 13; September 21; November 16, 2014, and January 4, 2015 (road show at 12th Night).

Meetings unless specified otherwise will be held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley, CA. In general, all future meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

Walk-in submissions will be held over until the following month unless they arrive early enough to be processed in before the scheduled start of the meeting. This policy is subject to change when the new Matins takes over.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com . This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.


Vesper: Received reports from all Principality heralds for the quarterly report to Laurel. Vesper is happy to see the large turn out today, for the very large number of items to be researched and processed. Met with Laurel; we had deep conversations, Vesper said NO a lot; but then supplied solutions. Electronic submissions will happen sometime in the next couple of years. Vesper sent his report to Laurel and it was accepted. The next report to Laurel must have a complete roster.

Seawolf: Vinhold needs a herald; Seawolf is working on the problem.

Sable Swan: report received

Stellanordica: report received

Exchequer: Domesday from the Exchequer is with Vesper and has been balanced and signed and forwarded to the Kingdom Exchequer

Banner: Courts have been covered; Anne FitzRichard covered the courts at Estrella War

Baldric: Will attend Towne Faire to do more recruiting. The last one-day collegium in February was a good success; Baldric is aiming for a GREAT success. Vesper thanked Baldric for the organization of and presentation of collegiums.

Brachet: Vacant

Greencloak: March Crown in two weeks, in Red Bluff. Greencloak needs voices on the field and for announcement shouts. We also have Towne Faire coming in April and we have been asked to do Town Crier shouts.

Golem: Worked on making the Herald’s webpage easier to navigate. Court report system is now working well again. Golem is working long hours trying to get the on-line awards list updated for ALL principalities (past and present) and the baronies (which were not in the list at all before).

Latimer: Will be at March Crown, Mists Coronet, Towne Faire, and Cynagua Coronet to run the consultation table.

Meeting Dates in 2014 (changing to an every-other-month schedule as the quantity of business to be discussed doesn’t seem to be enough to require monthly meetings): May 11, July 13, Sept 21, Nov 16, (road show at 12th Night) Jan 4 2015

ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business

Laurel requires now 0 (zero) paper submissions – we need only one copy and Matins doesn’t mail anything to Laurel, just sends scans. Effective immediately we will only require from submitters:

Name submission: one copy and documentation
Device submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, with documentation if needed
Badge submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, documentation as needed
Money: $10 for name+device or name+badge, $6 for individual submissions.

The submission form needs to be updated (it still says 4 copies), but we are in-line for Laurel to get us new Laurel forms - Moira is working with Laurel office for new updated forms- so we will not be making that change in the current forms.

Colored submissions are still required to be hand colored using markers, not crayons or pencils, and must be colored with “quality markers” so colors don’t change; we encourage the use of Crayola Classic markers. If the submission is not colored in true colors, the College is required to send it back.



VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm.

The office of Brachet is currently vacant, no Brachet meetings are being held.


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

December 2013 LoAR (printed 4 February 2014) (30 September 2013 West LoI)

Cover letter

From Laurel: Pelican Handover

As is the usual practice, when we break in a new Sovereign of Arms, we try to do it gently, by splitting the meetings for a month or two. This month marks the first half-meeting for the transition from Juliana (outgoing) Pelican to Lillia (incoming) Pelican. Lillia decided Æthelmearc through Drachenwald, while Juliana decided Ealdormere through West.

From Laurel: Request to Submission Heralds

In recent months, we have seen a number of Letters of Intent that are missing information like authenticity requests, or where problems were raised early in commentary but never addressed. Ideally, such errors are noticed and fixed in kingdom, and at worst the information can be provided in a correction or comment to the Letter of Intent.

Kingdom submissions heralds are reminded to double check the Letters of Intent against the forms, and if information is missing or unclear, to please follow-up with the submitter. Further, it is highly suggested that submissions heralds follow the commentary for their respective kingdoms (for example, checking back early in month two, or using OSCAR's notification feature, which will send an automated message each time a comment is made) and respond to questions raised so that commenters have time to consider and respond to the replies, and the Sovereigns have all of the information at hand for the decision meetings.

From Laurel: KWHSS 2015 Bids Requested

For those considering bidding on the 2015 Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium, the deadline to have your bid entered into OSCAR is March 31, 2014. This will give the College of Arms time for consideration so that we can announce the bid's award at the 2014 KWHSS in the Barony of Starkhafn, Caid, on June 15 at the Road Show.

Please remember that bids posted to OSCAR are publicly readable. Because of this, any personal information, such as legal names, addresses, phone numbers, and email, should not be included in these bids without signed written permission. Such information as is necessary for the entire College of Arms to see should be posted as a comment after the bid is finalized; such information as is necessary for the Sovereigns only to see should be included as a Sovereign Note. Please send a copy of the full unredacted bid to Laurel at laurel@heraldry.sca.org.

As a reminder, there is a KWHSS domain and web hosting space available on the SCA's servers. Please do not register a new domain.

Please see http://heraldry.sca.org/kwhss/ or contact Laurel if you have any questions.

From (outgoing) Pelican: A Resource for English Men's Names

This month, a new resource was brought to our attention. A database with tens of thousands of names of 14th and 15th century English soldiers can be found at http://www.medievalsoldier.org/. This collection was created as part of an academic study of late medieval soldiers. The names are lightly normalized, but also include a variety of period spellings of given names and bynames. We encourage submitters and heralds to explore this resource.

From (outgoing) Pelican: Some Name Resources (an ongoing series)

Last month we discussed languages in Germany: High German, focused in the south, and Low German, focused in the north. This month, we're going to talk about resources for German.

For family names, books remain important. It's relatively easy to find the Edda Gentry translation of Hans Bahlow's German Names (in German, Deutsches Namenlexikon). Many kingdoms have the German-only Etymologisches Worterbuch der deutschen Familiennamen by Josef Brechenmacher. Both of these books are highly recommended, though you need to remember that non-dated forms aren't likely to be period. These books have one large issue: they don't clearly distinguish High German forms from Low German ones. There are many other German-language books that are useful as well; I'm not going to spend time on them here.

For given names, the most useful resources that are readily available are online articles. Each deals with a single dialect of High or Low German. For High German, I tend to start with Talan Gwynek's "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm). Silesia overlaps southeastern Germany, southwestern Poland, and the eastern Czech Republic. The caveat here is that some names are Slavic or at least show Slavic influence, so a few names are not typical for the rest of Germany. Also useful for High German are a group of articles by Aryanhwy merch Catmael. "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/nurnberg1497.html) records the names of thousands of people, including given names and family names. Again in High German, "German Names from Rottweil, Baden-Württemberg, 1441" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweil1441.html) gives the names of 1350 men and women, again including given names and family names.

We have a shortage of Low German name resources. The only readily available source is Aryanhwy merch Catmael "15th Century Low German Men's Names from Mecklenburg" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/mecklenburg.html).

From Wreath: Dancing Dolphins

This month a ruling had us examining heraldic dolphins more closely. Precedent has long held that there is no DC for the difference in facing of a dolphin to dexter or sinister when it is haurient or urinant (in a vertical orientation). This precedent traces back to a ruling made in May 1992:

[a dolphin urinant contourny versus a dolphin urinant] There is...nothing for reversing the fish in this position... [Isabeau Bonheur, R-Caid, May 1992 LoAR]

The Glossary of Terms states that the default posture for a heraldic dolphin is naiant (in a horizontal orientation). It says nothing about whether or not the body is straight, embowed, or embowed-counterembowed, and we do not typically grant difference for these variations. A random examination of registrations both old and recent show that the typical depiction for heraldic dolphins is embowed-counterembowed, as expected, and so we are explicitly adding that to the default posture for heraldic dolphins, regardless of their orientation on the field.

An examination of the two devices in conflict in May 1992 shows that while the registered dolphin was embowed-counterembowed, the submitted one was nearly straight. It does seem reasonable to grant no difference for the facing to dexter or sinister for a straight fish haurient or urinant. However, as a well-drawn dolphin has a distinct head, even when the degree of embowing is small, we are able to tell in which direction it is facing; therefore we are explicitly overturning precedent with regards to dolphins, and will grant difference for facing. This is analogous to our ruling in July 2013, that granted a DC between haurient or urinant as "dolphins have a distinct enough head to distinguish whether the head is to chief, as in haurient, or to base, as in urinant." If the dolphin is drawn in such a manner that it is difficult to tell which way it is facing, as in the May 1992 submission, it will be returned for redraw.

From Wreath: Complexity Counts

We have seen increasing questions about how we count complexity. SENA A3E2 states:

Complexity Count: We require that any submission not exceed a certain "complexity count," measured by adding the number of types of charges to the number of tinctures. Items with a complexity count of eight or less receive no penalty for complexity from this rule. Furs, such as ermine and vair, count as a single tincture rather than their component tinctures. Charges that have different names in different tinctures or orientations (roundels, crescents, gouttes) are considered one type regardless of the term used for them. All charges, including maintained charges, are counted, though objects worn by an animal or person do not. All tinctures are counted except those used only for normally unblazoned artistic details like teeth, claws, and eyes. Proper is not a tincture, but a description of a group of tinctures, each of which is counted separately.

All of the examples given, naturally, count complexity from the blazon, not the emblazon, but then demands that elements proper be counted as their individual tinctures, giving an example of a rose proper being three tinctures, gules, vert, and Or. However, the rule also disregards normally unblazoned artistic details; thus a rose azure could have normally unblazoned vert barbing and Or seeding, but as it is not explicitly blazoned, is it counted for complexity or not? If not, why is a rose proper penalized? If so, how can you tell simply from the blazon? Likewise, a thistle proper according to the Glossary of Terms may have a purpure or gules flower, not specified in the blazon; if the submitted armory has gules elsewhere in the design, but the flower is emblazoned with purpure, does that add to the count or not? Likewise, plants and leaves sometimes have a brown stem, according to the Glossary of Terms. What tincture are the mirror and comb for a mermaid in her vanity? This brings into question: do we consider the blazon or the emblazon for purposes of counting complexity? If the emblazon, we must be more explicit in the rules.

We should also consider how we handle maintained charges. Currently we do not count articles of clothing, which may be larger and more substantial to the eye than a maintained charge; in SENA A5C3, when discussing changes that do not count for difference, we say "[t]hese sorts of changes were often understood as artistic variation or details which could be included or omitted in display of the armory. This includes maintained charges..." but then claim they must count for complexity as they add to visual complexity. While this is true, claiming that a maintained crown or collar or sword or such does not count for difference, but does for complexity, may encourage submitters to submit armory without maintained charges that would push them over the registerable complexity count, only to add them back in later display. This is not something that we particularly wish to encourage in any way.

Therefore, we are asking for input on the current state of our complexity rule, with suggestions for how to improve and make them clearer. Should we explicitly count complexity from the emblazon, not the blazon? Should we continue to count maintained charges, or not? How should we handle other artistic details? Should we raise or lower the complexity rule-of-thumb limit? We welcome your input in OSCAR or directly to Wreath and Palimpsest.

From Wreath: Gores and Gussets (and Tierces)

There are some so-called "abatements of honor" listed by several heraldic treatise authors. Gwillim, in the 1611 edition of his Display of Heraldrie (found at http://books.google.com/books?id=LbxWXIFDr30C) basically quotes Gerard Legh's earlier Accedence of Armorie, and lists among them the point dexter, a point champaine (rather concave), a gore sinister (but apparently not the dexter gore!), and the gusset and gusset sinister. They were, however, apparently entirely theoretical -- there is no record of such abatements ever being used in reality, in period or after it.

In September 1971, Laurel noted that "in the fanciful system of "rebatements" evolved by decadent heralds later than our period, a gore was a rebatement for cowardice. However, in this system, the rebatements were always of the stains, particularly tenné. Neither stains nor abatements have so far been allowed to intrude upon the purity of Society heraldry, so the gore sinister in this case is simply another pretty kind of partition of the field." However, we do not define charges by tincture in Society heraldry, and thus must continue to look askance at the gore and other charges mentioned only as abatements.

Regarding points, in April 1992, Laurel ruled that "[a]lthough all three "points" are mentioned in heraldic tracts, in practice only the base one appears to have been used..." and ceased registering dexter or sinister points at all. A plain base, also known as a point plain or a base point, is a widely used variant of a mount, and is certainly still registerable.

The issue of registerability was last looked at in 1991. The results of that discussion were posted on the November 1991 Cover Letter, in which Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces.

We already have a step from period practice for the use of a tierce with any other charge on the field, based on the lack of evidence of its actual use in period. Should we add a similar step from period practice to the use of gores or gussets with other charges? Should we disallow tierces, gores, and gussets entirely? Alternatively, would we be doing submitters a disservice by banning these charges? Look for a letter on OSCAR from Laurel on this topic soon.

From Morsulus: New or Missing Da'ud Codes

If you can't find the Da'ud code you need, contact me for help. Please do not just make something up. Morsulus has got to be in the loop, and the earlier the better. Istvan also needs to be able to update OSCAR in a timely manner.

There may already be a code for what you need, or one can be added, but any additions have to be done deliberately. I need to have an encoding, an ASCII form, a Unicode code point, and an HTML entity name (if one exists). A formal name for the character is also a Good Thing, preferably the Unicode name.

The Medieval Unicode Font Initiative (http://www.mufi.info) has gathered a large number of characters together, some of which are in the Unicode standard, and others which are in the Private Use Area. The TITUS project has also been working in this area (and the two try to coordinate code point assignments as best they can). MUFI is probably the first place to look for weird things.

http://oanda.sca.org/data_symbols.html shows all of the codes in the list which I maintain and which I consider authoritative for our purposes. The table was generated directly from the Daud module in my tool chain.

https://github.com/herveus/Morsulus-tools contains a lot of my tool chain. Feel free to nose about.

Now for an example. The need arose to define a code for LATIN LOWERCASE U WITH VERTICAL LINE ABOVE. The initial attempt used {u|}, but the vertical bar character is reserved; it's the field separator in the classic database. A Unicode code point was found in MUFI along with a formal name. Exclamation point was available as a marker character and seemed to be the most appropriate symbol to denote a vertical line, so we ended up with {u!}.

In another case, the draft cover letter discussed new codes for a couple of letters, but those were already defined, so it turned into an introduction of newly used codes instead of a definition.

West Acceptances - December LoAR

Annora Underdowne. Name.

Bran Sparrowhawk. Name and device. Vert, a bend sable fimbriated argent, overall a talbot rampant contourny maintaining a mug Or.

Submitted as Bran Sparrowhawk, the name was changed to Bran Sparhawk in order to match the documentation that the kingdom could find. Sparrowhawk is not dated as a byname, but can be registered as the lingua Anglica form of the 13th century English byname Sperver (Middle English Dictionary, s.v. sperver). Therefore, we can restore the name to the submitted form.

There is a step from period practice for having a fimbriated ordinary with a charge overall.

Ceridwen ferch Dafydd ap Cradog. Blanket permission to conflict with device. Vert, a fess wavy between four leeks, three and one, argent.

The submitter grants permission to conflict for all armory not identical to her device.

Christopher the Quiet. Device. Argent, on an escarbuncle of ten arms pometty vert an eye argent irised brown, a gore sable.

Eleazar Valentine von Mindelheim. Reblazon of device. Per bend sinister sable and purpure, a chief triangular mullety at the point of four points argent.

Blazoned when registered in January 1980 as Per bend sinister, per bend argent and sable, and purpure, a compass star of four points argent, this does not adequately describe the way the mullet of four points is merged with the white section. This is essentially a chief triangular.

Elisheva bint Sitt al-Sirr. Device change. Sable, three roses in pale and a gore Or.

Her previous device, Sable, two roses in pale and a gore Or, is released.

Hannah Story Teller. Name and device. Sable, a hound sejant argent maintaining in its mouth an open scroll Or, a bordure embattled argent masoned sable.

Hrafna-Kára. Name.

Isabel Machado. Name and device. Quarterly vert and Or, four arrows in saltire points to center counterchanged Or and gules.

While the byname found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "Portuguese Surnames from Lisbon 1565" is a literal byname that would need to be feminized as Machada, Machado is also found as a Spanish inherited family name that is identical for men and women in Spanish sources like the 1642 Memorial del Marques de Montebelo. Thus, the name can be registered as submitted, though Isabel Machada would be the Portuguese form. As registered, the name can be seen as completely Spanish.

Please advise the submitter to draw the arrowheads larger.

Jane Ascham. Reblazon of device. Vert, a comet triply-tailed in pall argent.

Blazoned when registered in August 1989 as Vert, three goutes of flame conjoined in pall, surmounted by an estoile, all argent, this does not adequately describe the emblazon. This is a triple-tailed comet, with the tails arranged in pall.

Kathryn Onora. Name.

Khalidah bint Sa'id al-`Attar. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Khalida and Khalidah are simply two different transliterations of the same name; either is registerable.

Khalidah bint Sa'id al-`Attar. Badge. Sable, a scorpion bendwise sinister and in canton a mullet of four points Or.

Lars Magnus. Name and device. Gules, a wolf rampant within a bordure indented Or.

Nice device!

Magdalina Georg'eva Oshitkovna Ochakovicha. Device. Per fess vert and azure, a mermaid in her vanity argent tailed Or between in chief two flamingos statant respectant argent.

Michel von Schiltach. Device. Quarterly gules and argent, a mullet of seven points inverted counterchanged.

This device is in conflict with the badge of Eleanor Leonard, (Tinctureless) A mullet of four points distilling a goutte. Eleanor's blanket letter of permission to conflict allows for any armory that has a field and/or a mullet that is not a solid plain tincture, so this is registerable.

Michel von Schiltach. Badge. (Fieldless) On a mullet of seven points inverted argent a tree sable.

Quenild Comyn. Reblazon of badge. Potenty Or and azure, a domestic cat dormant guardant contourny argent.

Blazoned when registered in November 1998 as Potenty Or and azure, a cat dormant guardant contourny argent, this is a domestic cat.

Salina de la Serna. Name and device. Per pall inverted sable, vert and argent, in pall three oak leaves stems to center counterchanged argent and sable.

Salina is the submitter's legal given name. It's also an English feminine given name, dated to 1621 in the FamilySearch Historical Records (thanks to Eastern Crown for the information). However, as English and Spanish are not an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA, this registration must depend on the legal name allowance.

Umm Sitt al-Sirr Fatimah al-Zahra' bint Rashid. Name change from `Ijliyah bint Rashid.

Submitted as Fatimah al-Zahra' bint Rashid Umm Sitt al-Sirr, the kunya Umm Sitt al-Sirr is misplaced in the name. A kunya goes before the given name, as the first element. We have moved that element to its grammatically correct location in order to register the name.

The submitter's previous name, `Ijliyah bint Rashid, is released.

Verica of Lighthaven. Device. Azure, a winged chalice and in chief between the wingtips three mullets of six points one and two Or.

West Returns - December LoAR

Khalidah bint Sa'id al-`Attar. Device. Or, a scorpion bendwise sinister sable mullety Or.

This device is returned for redraw. Precedent states,
[The submitter] must draw upper portion of the field properly as mulletty, i.e. more evenly distributed. As drawn now, the design looks more like an attempt to depict a constellation...which is not permitted as a charge in Society heraldry. [Erika Bjarnsdottir, R-Trimaris, December 1986 LoAR]

Similarly, the mullets on the scorpion here are not evenly distributed enough, nor of similar sizes, to be called mullety, and can only be interpreted as the constellation Scorpio. This is not registerable.

Winter's Gate, Barony of. Acceptance of device transfer from Ynys Taltraeth, Canton of. Argent, a sea-dog rampant purpure breathing flames gules, in canton a laurel wreath purpure.

This transfer has been withdrawn.

Ynys Taltraeth, Canton of. Transfer of device to Winter's Gate, Barony of. Argent, a sea-dog rampant purpure breathing flames gules, in canton a laurel wreath purpure.

This transfer has been withdrawn.

In Service,
Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym ap Morgan o Erryrys,
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 6 March, XLVII (2014)


Achilles of Sparta (NEW device only)

Per saltire azure and sable, two spears in saltire argent, overall a lion’s face Or.

Device seems clear of conflict.

Aine inghean Lochlainn (NEW name and device)

Per fess Or and vert, a oak tree eradicated within and annulet, all counterchanged.
(11th century Irish, sound, female, no MAJOR changes)

Submitted to kingdom as Aine Inghean Lochlann. We have lower-cased the “inghean” and added the “ i “ to Lochlann to conform with the evidence we could find.

Aine: Found as Áine in O'Corrain & Maguire (1990), p.19, with no date. “The Index of Names in Irish Annals” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) [http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Aine.shtml] has two initial entries that are undated, and then Ane from 1171 and Aine from 1316 to 1468.

Inghean: changed to lower case.

Lochlann: Appears as Lochlainn in O'Corrain & Maguire (1990) p.123. Appears with that spelling, dated from 983 to 1486, in the “Index of Names in Irish Annals” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) [http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Lochlainn.shtml]. None of the variants in that list omits the "i".

Device appears clear of conflict.

Alan Tynneker (NEW name, see RETURNS for device and badge)

(sound, male, no MAJOR changes)

Alan: Withycombe p.7-8 under header Alan. According to Withycombe, this form is currently the most common [but there is no date for its use in period in Withycombe], but Aleyn was more common in the medieval period.

Tynneker: (astrith: Didn't find this anywhere in Reany & Wilson, Black, or any of the Laurel and St Gabriel articles or reports for English sources.) “Tynneker” is found in Acts of the Privy Council of England, New Series, Vol. 11, page 300-301, year 1579. (http://india.british-history.ac.uk/image-pageScan.aspx?pubid=1186&sp=3&pg=300) Tynker appears in An Index to the 1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Linconshire, England (www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/BynT.html).

Aldeyn ab Owain ap Gruffydd (NEW name and device)

Per pale and per chevron Or and vert, on a chevron sable three maltese crosses argent, between in chief two hares sejant erect and in base two arrows in saltire inverted all counterchanged.
(sound, male, no MAJOR changes)

Aldeyn: this spelling is found in Reaney & Wilson as a patronymic on p.5 under the header Alden (and variants). Alexander Aldeyn 1279. It is English, not Welsh. Withycombe, third edition on page 12 shows Aldeyn dated to 1273.

ab: "ab" is the correct form before a name beginning with a vowel according to “A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names” by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html]

Owain: As Owen in “Welsh Names from the Proceedings of the Court at Castle Leon, 1497” by Sara L. Uckelman (Aryanhwy merch Catmael) [http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/welsh/1497castleleon.html]. The Academy of St. Gabriel report #2171 dates the spelling "Owain" in 1242, and it is the standard modern form [http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2171+0]. The 1242 date is from Reaney & Wilson, p.333 under the header Owen, Owens.

ap: "ap" is the correct form before a name beginning with a consonant according to “A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names” by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html]

Gruffydd: according to “A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names” by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html], this spelling is the standard form, as provided by Tangwystl in that article. The spellings in the original sources were Griffid, Gryffid, Gryffyd. Tangwystl notes that "[t]he tax roll was written by people familiar with English and Latin, but not necessarily with Welsh, so names do not necessarily appear in "classic" Welsh spellings".

Device seems clear, if complex.

Aliden van Costeleer (NEW name and device)

Per bend sinister sable and argent, a heart Or and a tulip bendwise sinister gules slipped and leaved vert.
(sound, female, no MAJOR changes)

Aliden: Found in “Dutch Names 1358-1361” by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) [http://heraldry.sca.org/names/dutch/earlydutch14.html] under Alijt.

van Costeleer: in this form from “Dutch Names 1358-1361: Bynames” by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman, 2012) [http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/dutch/bynamesE14.html].

Device seems to be clear of conflict.

Anne of Bradford (NEW badge only)

Argent a falcon belled and jessed close to sinister sable marked argent between flaunches azure.
Originally submitted to kingdom as Argent a falcon belled and jessed close sable marked argent between flaunches azure. There were many entries for “argent, {sable thing} between flaunches azure”; but they were clear due to difference of primary charge. However, a conflict was found: Eadlyne Blackmaene the Lacrimose (Aug 1981 West) Argent, gouté de larmes, a raven close sable between two flaunches azure.

Submitter permits change of falcon position to “close to sinister” which clears the above conflict. New forms were provided and the badge now seems to be clear of conflict.

Bjorn Jorsalfr of Bearhaven (NEW badge only)

Per pale sable and vert, in pale a compass star and a demi-sun argent.
Badge appears clear of conflict

Brennos Agrocunos (NEW name and device)

Per pale gules and sable, a raven displayed martletted between in pale a crescent and crescent pendant argent.

(no MAJOR changes, male, language/culture)

Brennos: This is an attested and well-known name occurring during the historical record of the Gaulish tribes. Ó hÓgáin describes historical and legendary occurances of the name (388 BCE, p. 37m 278 BCE, p. 51). The name also occurs in the name indices of Delamarre (p. 358) and Whatmough (p. 234).

Agro: This name element means “war, slaughter, carnge” (Delamarre, p. 35). Examples of this element (and its variants agra-, agri-, agre-) occurring as the initial element are shown in the names Agrecius, Agriccos, Agrinius (Delamarre, p. 355); and Agramianus, Agraptus, Agroecius (Whatmough, p.224)

Cunos: This is a word meaning “dog, wolf” (Delamarre, p. 35) An example of this element appearing as the second name element can be seen in Dercunos (Whatmough, p. 245). Other spellings of the name as a second element and as a stand-alone name are also documented. (Delamarre, pp 374-5, 440; Whatmough, p. 244)

Ó hÓgáin, Dáithí. The Celts: A History. Cork, Ireland: The Collins Press 2002.)
Delamarre, Xavier. Index de J. Whatmough, "The Dialects of Ancient Gaul", in Veleia: Revista de prehistoria, historia antigua, arqueología y filología clásicas, ISSN 0213-2095, Nº 21, 2004 , pp. 221-288. (Veleia also appears to be a Spanish language online research journal/database located at http://www.ehu.es/ojs/index.php/Veleia/index.
Delamarre, Xavier. Dictionnaire de la Langue Gauloise. 2nd ed. Paris: Editions Errance, 2003.
Whatmough, Joshua. The Dialects of Ancient Gaul. Harvard University: Harvard University Press, 1936. (Appears to have been either reprinted or a new edition published by Harvard University Press in 1970.)

We believe that the submitter has reasonably documented this name. However, if there are questions regarding this, we request for assistance of the College as to spelling and grammatical formation.

Device seems clear of conflict.

Ciarán Ó Cearbhaill (NEW name, see RETURNS for device)

(16th century Ireland, language, male)

Ciarán: O'Corrain & Maguire 1990, p.51 under header Ciaran. 26 saints with the name but it never became common as a secular name in the early period. (see CD with Index of Names from Irish Annals)

Ó: We are not sure this is correct with the submitted forms of the names and request correction if necessary.

Cearbhaill: O'Corrain & Maguire 1990. p.50 under header Cerball, Cearbhall, Cearu'l (also in Index, under Cerball)

Dante di Niccolo del Toscani (NEW name, see RETURNS for device)

(sound, male, no MAJOR changes)

Submitted to kingdom as Dante di Niccolo del Tuscany. We have changed the spelling of Tuscany to match the Italian of the rest of the name. We request the assistance of the College of Arms in correcting the spelling and/or grammar of this name.

Dante: listed in the online Catasto of 1427 [http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/catasto/newsearch/first_names.html]

di Niccolo: Niccolo is listed in the online Catasto of 1427 [http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/catasto/newsearch/first_names.html]. According to the introductory material for “Florentine Renaissance Resources: Online Tratte of Office Holders 1282-1532” by David Herlihy, R. Burr Litchfield, Anthony Molho and Roberto Barducci [http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/NN-Names.html], "di Niccolo" is a correct formation for a patronymic, e.g. "Piero di Antonio di Piero di Antonio".

del Toscani: It appears that "da" is the most usual connector for a locative. [Names from Sixteenth Century Venice by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) {http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html}]. However, the same author says of the names from 15th century Florence [“Names in 15th Century Florence and her Dominions: the Condado” by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) {http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/}] that in this set of names, "da" occurs rarely. Family names with town names are formed with "del" and generic locatives like "of the Valley" with "della" = "della Valle". There are two occurrences of "Toscani" as surnames in the Tratte.

Elizabeth Margaret (RESUB device)

Per chevron dovetailed Or and purpure, two hummingbirds rising respectant and a dragon rampat counterchanged.
This was returned by Laurel on the November 2013 LoAR for redrawing to shift the per chevron line and to resize the dragon and the hummingbirds. This has been done. The redrawing has a “steep” per chevron, but we believe it is OK.

Halfdan Ǫzurrson (NEW name change only) DONATE PAYMENT

(sound, male, no MAJOR changes)

Halfdan: Lind, Nordiskt runnamns lexikon, p.88 under Halfdan

Ǫzurrson/Ôzurrson: Lind, Nordiskt runnamns lexikon, p.12 under An(d)varr/Ansurr/Ǫssur as "fvn. Ǫzurr". The patronymic form should be Ǫzursson, according to Bassi, p.17.

Heinrich von Melk (NEW badge only)

Per fess vert and argent, a lion counterchanged.
No conflict found.

Kolskeggr ungi (NEW name and device)

Or, a salmon naiant embowed gules, a base barry wavy vert and argent.

Kolskeggr: Bassi p. 13

ungi: Bassi p. 29

Device appears to be clear of conflict.

Leofwynn Cryccthegn Deorcwuda (RESUB name and device)

Azure, on a bend sinister Or, between two boars argent, three harps palewise vert.
Leofwynn: There are 3 dated occurances of this name in the Prosopography, two dated to the Eleventh Century and one to the Tenth Century.

Cryccthegn: This is not found in Prosography or in Searle. As a constructed byname, this would be spelled -ðegn, and the second element is masculine. No feminine form is shown in Hall. Crycc (feminine) is translated by Hall p.66 as crutch or staff, but there is no indication that cryccðegn is a plausible combination, even as part of a masculine name.

[E-mail note from submitter: …the sketchy bit being the Cryccthegn, which I still hold as reasonable, but that's what bounced it last time. It translates to Crutchthane - and they had spearthanes and hallthanes and a sense of humor. I actually have fought with a crutch is we want to be literal. However, a nickname is a nickname, and I'm reasonable ok with it being cut.] Following up on this, I did some further research online. Both hall-thane and spear-thane seem to be found in Beowulf. (Beowulf, Francis B. Gummere) Hall-thane is found in Part 2, and again in Part 24. Spear-thane is found in Part 34. In addition, to my personal knowledge, the submitter is a fighter and has fought with a crutch. It would seem that such nickname could be reasonably constructed. Of course, better documentation would be wonderful and we request assistance in this from the college.

Deorcwuda: It is not found in Prosography, although Deorc is, with a different recorded spelling. Not in Searle, although Deor is.

The submitter lives in the Barony of Darkwood. This appears to be a plausible form for Darkwood, based on combinations in Hall's Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary, p.74 and p.365 and the Name Precedent by Francois la Flamme [Nov 2003] for Cynewise æt Sceaduwuda. [E-mail note from submitter: Deorcwuda is "of Darkwood" in Anglo-Saxon, and it is in its proper declension (wood is wudu, but in the genitive form becomes wuda).]

[INTERNAL COMMENT: from her webpage, this is apparently intended to be Anglo-Saxon for "the crutchthane of Darkwood". Possibly would need to be "of Deorcwuda" or "æt Deorcwuda". Laurel Name Precedent by Shauna of Carrick Point, May 2004, for Alric of Mæidesstana noted that the submitter's "of" had been incorrectly changed to "æt" by the Kingdom. The Old English preposition meaning "of" is "of". As noted elsewhere in the precedents, "æt" is the Old English version of the Middle English "atte". Regarding the use of three names: in attempting to document this name, I found no examples of a 3-element Anglo-Saxon name. Most Anglo-Saxons had only one name.]

Device appears clear of conflict.

Marocatha Bodua Brigiani (NEW name and device)

Per pale gules and sable, a raven martletted displayed argent between in pale two plates charged with triskelions of spirals sable.
(no MAJOR changes, meaning, language/culture, 100 BCE-100 CE)

Maro: This element derives from maros, a term meaning “big, large, great” (Delamarre, p. 218). Examples of this term (or related elements Mar-, Mara-, Mari-) appearing as an initial element in a name include Marimogius, Maroboduus, Maromogius, Maros (Delamarre, p. 111); Mara, Mardanus (Whatmough, p. 259); Maro, Maroboudon, Marouiros, Marra (Whatmough, p. 260).

Catha: This element derives from catus, a term meaning “battle” (Delamarre, p. 111). Examples of this element (or related variants -catu, -cato, -catus, -catia) occurring as the second element in a name include Meddcatus (Whatmough, p. 261), Mercatia (Whatmough, p.262), Nescato (Whatmough, p.264), Pacata, Pacatus (Whatmough, p.278), Ruscatu (Whatmough, p.271), Senicatius (Whatmough, p.274), Tacato (Whatmough, p.278), and many others. Examples of the element with the specific –a ending as in –cata include Pacata (Whatmough, p.267), Catacius, Catamantaloedis, Catamanus (Delamarre, p.360). Examples of the element with the th variant spelling as cath include Cathubodua (Delamarre p. 360), Cathirigi (Whatmough, p.239), Ueliocathi (Whatmough, p.283).

Bodua: This is a complete word meaning “carrion-crow, war goddess” (Delamarre, 81). Examples of its use as a complete name are found in the name indices of Delamarre (p.358) and Whatmough (p. 234).

Brigiani: This is an attested ethnonym, the name of a tribe in southern Gaul, the Brigiani. This tribe’s submission to Rome under Augustus was recorded on the Tropaeum Alpeum, referenced by Pline (Book III, Ch.24, the Alps, and the Alpine Nations). The date of the treaty was 13 BCE, according to Ó hÓgáin (p. 174). Thus this would have been a tribal name in use in the target period of 100 BCE to 100 CE.

Ó hÓgáin, Dáithí. The Celts: A History. Cork, Ireland: The Collins Press 2002.)
Delamarre, Xavier. Index de J. Whatmough, "The Dialects of Ancient Gaul", in Veleia: Revista de prehistoria, historia antigua, arqueología y filología clásicas, ISSN 0213-2095, Nº 21, 2004 , pp. 221-288. (Veleia also appears to be a Spanish language online scholarly research journal/database located at http://www.ehu.es/ojs/index.php/Veleia/index.
Delamarre, Xavier. Dictionnaire de la Langue Gauloise. 2nd ed. Paris: Editions Errance, 2003.
Holland, Philemon (trans. 1601). C. Plinius Secundus The Historie of the World. Book III. Internet site http://penelope.uchicago.edu/holland/pliny3.html. Accessed 1/24/2014. Whatmough, Joshua. The Dialects of Ancient Gaul. Harvard University: Harvard University Press, 1936. (Appears to have been either reprinted or a new edition published by Harvard University Press in 1970.)

We believe that the submitter has reasonably documented this name. However, if there are questions regarding this, we request for assistance of the College as to spelling and grammatical formation.

Device seems clear of conflict; letter of permission from Brennos included.

Mirone Bonofilio (NEW name, see RETURNS for device)

(Spanish Marches)

Mirone: Mirone appears in Document 65 of the Official Records of the Monastery of Sant Cugat del Valles, dated 30 March 963, which records the sale of property by Mirone, Count and Marquis (Count Miro I of Barcelona), to buyer Ennego Bonofilio. (Cartulario de “Sant Cugat” del Valles, Vol 1: Documents 1 [A.D. 875] – 353 [A.D. 997], edited by Jose Rius (Print Edition: C.S.I.C., 1945), available at http://libro.uca.edu/title.htm).

Bonofilio: Bonofilio appears as the byname of the buyer Ennego Bonofilio in the above-cited deed. (Document 65, dated 30 March 963, Cartulario de “Sant Cugat” del Valles, Vol 1: Documents 1 [A.D. 875] – 353 [A.D. 997], edited by Jose Rius (Print Edition: C.S.I.C., 1945), available at http://libro.uca.edu/title.htm)

Ragnall MacCormac (NEW name, see RETURNS for device)

(sound, male, no MAJOR changes)

Ragnall: O'Corrain&Maguire 1990 p.154 under header Ragnall, Raghnall. Irish borrowing from Old Norse. This spelling dated to 1018 and 1161.

MacCormac: for Cormac: O'Corrain&Maguire 1990 p.60 under header Cormacc, Cormac. Examples include Cormac mac Cuilenna'in 908 and Cormac Mac Carthig 1138, so the usage with "Mac" is plausible. In this spelling, dated from 762 to 14 13 in the “Index of Names in Irish Annals” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) [http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cormacc.shtml]

Þórkatla Yngvarsdóttir (NEW name and device)

Per fess azure and argent, a Pegasus sergeant counterchanged, in chief three thor’s hammers argent.
(10th century Danelaw, language, female)

Þórkatla: Nordiskt Runnamns lexicon p. 94 [p. 95 of pdf] under To'ka, which is "found also as a short form of the OW.Norse feminine name Þorkatla". Note that this has "o", not "ó". p.11 [p.12 in pdf] under Áskatla: "second element -katla, feminine form of -kæ(ti)ll." Bassi p.16: Þorkatla

Yngvarsdóttir: Nordiskt Runnamns lexicon p. 59 [p. 60 of pdf] under Ingvarr. Masculine name, OW.Norse Yngvarr Bassi p.16: Yngvarr. The patronymic is correctly formed according to Bassi, p.17

Device appears clear of conflict

Wulfgar Wartooth (RESUB name, see RETURNS for device)

(Nordic culture, sound, language, male, no MAJOR changes)

Wulfgar: There are multiple examples in Searle of Wulfgar. Ekwall ([1947]: Early London Personal Names p. 68 Wulfgar) has multiple examples dated 1040 to 1137. “The Names of Testators in the Cartularium Saxonicum Malmesburiensem”, Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman 2013) [http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/malmesbury-oe.html] has Wulfgar as the standardized OE form, but Wulgar as the actual spellilng. Date is 931. “Prosography of Anglo-Saxon England” [http://www.pase.ac.uk/pdb?dosp=VIEW_RECORDS&st=PERSON_NAME&value=5884&level=1&lbl=Wulfgar] has Wulfgar as a spelling in 888. This is Wulfgar 2 in the listing of 70 Wulfgar variants. Others of the 70 listings were also recorded in this spelling.

“Nordiskt Runnamns lexicon” p. 103 [p. 104 of pdf] has UlfgaeiRR, Old Danish Ulfger, Old West Norse U'lfgeirr; and on p. 109 [p. 110 of pdf] Vig- from Old West Norse vig = "war, battle". This source does not include any mentioned use of "tooth", "teeth", or "fang", nor does Bassi.

Wartooth: We were unable to document any form in either Old Norse or Anglo-Saxon, however, Svea Wartooth was registered in July of 1985 (via the Middle).

Yñigo Diaz de Santiago de Compostela (NEW name and device)

Azure, three crosses of Santiago one and two Or.

(late 15th century Spanish, language, male, no MAJOR changes)

Yñigo: Yñigo Ortiz de Retez (Retes) was a 16th-century Spanish maritime explorer, who in May 1545 sailed along the north coast of the Pacific-Melanesian island of New Guinea, and is credited with bestowing the island's name (“Nueva Guinea”). (C.R. Markham, C.B., F.R.S., “Progress of Discovery on the Coasts of New Guinea”, Supplementary Papers, Vol. 1, Royal Geographical Society (Great Britain) 1886, p.269, [http://books.google.com/books?id=g-KfAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA269&lpg=PA269&dq=Ynigo+de+retes&source=bl&ots=bTMANSN9yL&sig=OecO9R847VAlTVtaurxixkV_-7w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cB02U8j4K6GYyAHth4HYAQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Ynigo%20de%20retes&f=false].) All references found on the internet to this gentleman are given with the Y spelling. Tibon p.266, Iñigo Lopez de Recalda, fundador de la Compañia de Jesus [Society of Jesus, commonly known as Jesuits, formed in 1534]. All documentation found for this name, including that supplied by the submitter, spells it as Yñigo or Iñigo. However, on his name submission form the “ñ” is lacking the tilde. We have restored it to match both our documentation and his documentation.

Diaz: Diez Melcon: p.137 under Didacus: Diazi, 929 CE. p.139 under continuation of Didacus: Pedro Diaz 1148, Martin Dias 1288. Currently the 14th most common surname in Spain.

de Santiago de Compostela: Tibon p. 484 under Santiago states "Sus ??? fueron descibeirtos milagrosamente en 813 en un lugar de Galicia Ilamad Campus Stellae, o sea Compostela"

Ortelius (1570 atlas) Compostella on p.39 of the pdf and Santiago on p.47

Codex Calixtinus [12th Century account of pilgrim routes through France and Spain to Santiago de Compostela]: p. 7. "in de Compstella apostolica". From a transcription published in France by Fita and Vinson as "Le Codex de Saint-Jacques-de-Compstelle"

Diez Melcon in his Indice de Toponimos on p. 326 has Santiago, but he doesn't include any form of "Compostela"

Device appears clear of conflict.

PENDS for March 2014

Esperanza Maria Diago (NEW name and device)

Per chevron inverted purpure and argent, a scorpion tergiant argent and three hearts sable.

(sound, female)

Esperanza: Tibon p. 169 under header Esperanza. [INTERNAL COMMENT: Discussion of use, which I don't fully understand.] Seemingly to 6th century CE. Diez Melcon: not listed in index, although it may be there in the text somewhere.

Maria: Tibon p. 352: under header Maria. No dates. Diez Melcon p. 90. Under Marina: Maria Marina dated to 1150.

Diago: [INTERNAL COMMENT: spelling not in Tibon or what I saw in Diez Melcon.] Diego is the given name, Diaz is the surname. In counting surname usage, Spain counts Diaz separately from Diez, so they may be different origins.

Diaz: Diez Melcon: p.137 under Didacus: Diazi, 929 CE. p.139 under continuation of Didacus: Pedro Diaz 1148, Martin Dias 1288. Currently the 14th most common surname in Spain.

Device appears to be clear of conflict

Need contact from submitter who lives out of kingdom. E-mail was sent, but no reply received.

Magnus Sigmarsson (NEW name and device)

Per chevron inverted purpure and sable, in chief a sea dragon erect maintaining an axe and in base three thor’s hammers argent.

(sound, male)

Magnus: Bassi p.13

Sigmarsson: Bassi p. 14 has several names with Sig- as initial element. Bassi has several examples with -marr as a second element: Bjartmarr p.8, Do'marr p.9, Granmarr p.10, Gri'marr p.10, Ingimarr p.12, Valdimarr p.15, Vestmarr p.16. The patronymic is correctly formed according to Bassi, p.17

Device appears to be clear of conflict.

Need contact from submitter who lives out of kingdom. E-mail was sent, but no reply received.


Alan Tynneker (NEW Device and NEW badge, see SUBMISSIONS for NEW name,)

RETURNED DEVICE: Per fess wavy sable and azure, a blond Caucasian demi-maiden proper maintaining a heart gules within an orle argent.

This must be returned for two reasons. The complex line of division may not be low-contrast (azure and sable) and the primary charge covers so much of the line that the complexity cannot be seen. Appendix H of SENA forbids azure and sable (low contrast) fields with complex line of division.

RETURNED BADGE: (Fieldless) a blond Caucasian demi-maiden proper maintaining a heart Or.

There is insufficient contrast between the heart (Or) and the demi-maiden (argent).

Ciarán Ó Cearbhaill (NEW device, see SUBMISSIONS for name)

RETURNED DEVICE: Argent, a triskelion of spirals between three ravens statant in annulo wings elevated feet to center gules.

This submission is being returned as the birds are not in any truly blazonable position.

Dante di Niccolo del Toscani (NEW device, see SUBMISSION for name)

RETURNED DEVICE: Or, a bull rampant gules.

Conflicts with (among others): Jadwiga Zawadzka (badge registered 2/2007) (Fieldless) A bull rampant gules maintaining a spur argent.

Finna kottr Goðormsdóttir (RESUB device)

RETURNED DEVICE: Per pale wavy sable and argent, a nude maiden statant to sinister and a cat sejant counterchanged, on a chief vert, three paw prints argent.

Paw prints and human figures in profile are both steps from period practice. We only allow one step from period practice and this is two. Also, the suggestion from Laurel was to “fig-leaf” the afrontee maiden with hair. That is not what was resubmitted.

Malice off Skye (NEW name and device) BOTH RETURNED

(sound, male, no MAJOR changes)

* Malice off Skye (sound, male, no MAJOR changes) Apparent language: English/Scots (Device submission form uses Malice of Skye. No documentation for use of “off” v. “of” provided.)

Malice: Withycombe p.204, undated. Malise from the Gaelic Mael-Iosa, 'servant of Jesus'. Traditional in the Gordon family. The correct spelling appears to be with an "s", not a "c". Black p. 578 dated to 1190 as Malis. No example using a "c".

This name is pronounced Mah-LEEZ.

of Skye: Johnston 1970 Place-Names of Scotland p.296 under header Skye: Scith c1100, Skið, Skid in Sagas, Scy 1266, Skey 1292. No date for "Skye", but this can be supported as the Common Tongue version of the name, i.e. English.

In Description of the Western Isles of Scotland called Hybrides, by Donald Munro, High Dean of the Isles, who travelled through most of then in 1549, this island is spelled "Sky" [p.37]

NO DOCS for the use of “off” – and Device form shows “of”…

RETURNED DEVICE: Argent, a pall inverted cotised sable between three bears pawprints sable.

Black and white drawing needs to be drawn as cotised, not fimbriated. OR Color needs to be fimbriated, not cotised.

Seems clear of conflict.

Mirone Bonofilio (NEW device, see SUBMISSIONS for name)

RETURNED DEVICE: Barry argent and azure, an escarbuncle Or.

Conflicts: Ginevra die Hohe (Jan 1997 Atla), (Fieldless) An escarbuncle Or.

Allowed change from Or to sable, conflict with: Sigrlin Ravnsdottir (Nov 1988 Caid) Paly azure and argent, an escarbuncle within an orle sable.

Proposed fix to the conflicts: Paly azure and Or, an escarbuncle sable (and we need the documentation for the escarbuncle in this form).

Ragnall MacCormac (NEW device, see SUBMISSIONS for name)

RETURNED DEVICE: Per chevron invected vert and sable, an increscent, a decrescent, and a paw print argent.

There is inadequate contrast on a vert and sable invected field division; also, the positioning of the per chevron is too low (did you guys forget the upper line on the argent chevron, and was it engrailed?)

Wulfgar Wartooth (RESUB device, see SUBMISSIONS for RESUB name)

RETURNED DEVICE: Sable, a gauntlet argent charged with an eye azure within an orle azure.

This violates the rule of tincture with an azure orle on sable field. In addition, the orle needs to be thicker. CONSULT may be able to change to argent orle or bordure.

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