Minutes of the July, 2014 Heralds Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – July 13, 2014 (11:50 am to 3:35 pm)

The meeting was held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley, CA. In general, all future meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). Meetings begin at 11 am. “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

Frederick of Holland, Vesper; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Matins; Anne FitzRichard, Seawolf; Astrith of Swansvale, Latimer; Eilis o’Boirne, Banner; Krysta of Starfall, Green Crown; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Black Mark; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Mikael Auraprester, Freelance.

Heralds’ Meetings for the remainder of 2014 and early 2015: September 21; November 16 (no meeting in October, and December, 2014), and January 4, 2015 (road show at 12th Night). Meetings will start at 11 AM, beginning with the July 13, 2014 meeting.

Walk-in submissions may be held over until the following meeting at the discretion of Matins.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com. This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.


Baldric (by text message): For the July herald's meeting. Work is going on the educational information that will appear on the herald's website. Special thanks go to Master Hirsch for for obtaining original materials to be edited for the new addition to appear on site. The draft should be made available to vesper on or before the next meeting in September. Sites are limited in the Sacramento area. The one free library meeting room site is in the city of Fairoaks witches 20 minutes east of Sacramento. There appears to be no library meeting rooms open for Sunday meeting in November. As such, I would like to request that the meeting take place in its usual location in Berkeley and that the collegium be held in the same location, that is Concord as Concord if this is acceptable, I will request that Golem Herald reserve the clubhouse site in Concord. represents a site that is most central to all the locations in the central kingdom. My thanks to Eilis for reading my report into the record. This is been a long SCA weekend for me as a spent all of Friday and Saturday at the board meeting. In terms of the site and the option of Fairoaks 20 miles east of Sacramento for the site in Concord, I will contact vesper to get his input. Your servant, Antonio baldric herald

Matins: Matins is looking for a replacement. Matins is the submissions herald for the Kingdom of the West. If you are interested, please contact either Matins or Vesper.

Meeting Dates in 2014 (changing to an every-other-month schedule as the quantity of business to be discussed doesn’t seem to be enough to require monthly meetings): Nov 16, (road show at 12th Night) Jan 4 2015

ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business

Laurel requires now 0 (zero) paper submissions – we need only one copy and Matins doesn’t mail anything to Laurel, just sends scans. Effective immediately we will only require from submitters:

Name submission: one copy and documentation
Device submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, with documentation if needed
Badge submission: one line drawing, one colored drawing, documentation as needed
Money: $10 for name+device or name+badge, $6 for individual submissions.

The submission form needs to be updated (it still says 4 copies), but we are in-line for Laurel to get us new Laurel forms - Moira is working with Laurel office for new updated forms- so we will not be making that change in the current forms.

Colored submissions are still required to be hand colored using markers, not crayons or pencils, and must be colored with “quality markers” so colors don’t change; we encourage the use of Crayola Classic markers. If the submission is not colored in true colors, the College is required to send it back.



VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm.

The office of Brachet is currently vacant, no Brachet meetings are being held.


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

April 2014 LoAR (printed 5 June 2014) (No West LoI)

No West letter of intent was considered at this meeting. Thus there were no acceptances or returns at the May Laurel meeting. Also, no armory was reblazoned at this meeting.

Cover letter

From Laurel: Laurel Candidates

Applications for the office of Laurel have been received from:

We urge all members of the College of Arms and the kingdom Colleges of Heralds to provide their feedback to the Board of Directors on these applications.

From Laurel: A New Wreath Appears on the Horizon

At their April meeting, the Board of Directors approved Laurel's appointment of Brunissende Dragonette as Wreath Queen of Arms, effective June, 2014. Emma and Brunissende will split the decision-making for June 2014, with Brunissende taking over all duties for July. Brunissende lives in the East Kingdom, where she has served as Blue Tyger herald. She's been an active commenter and leader in the College of Arms for many years. We look forward to working with her. As for Emma, I'm pretty sure we'll find another project to keep her active and busy as well.

From Laurel Staff: Silent Herald Deputy Chosen

The Laurel, Wreath, and Pelican Sovereigns of Arms, in combination with Clarion Herald, have reviewed the applications for the recently created position, Silent Herald Deputy. We received applications from several highly qualified candidates, making this a difficult decision. We would like to thank all those who applied - though we could only choose one candidate, we are pleased to see such a strong pool of heralds dedicated to furthering silent heraldry in the SCA. After careful consideration, we have chosen Nesscia inghean Chearnaigh to take on this job.

We will be working with Nesscia to get her established in this role, and we know she will be asking for help from silent heralds around the known world to work on integrating silent heraldry to become more of a part of the SCA. Please welcome her in this (very) new office.

From the Silent Heraldry Deputy

Greetings! I'm Lady Nesscia inghean Chearnaigh, the new Silent Heraldry Deputy, and I'm excited to join the Laurel staff in this newly created role. I currently live in Calontir, and have traveled other kingdoms promoting Silent Heraldry through one on one discussion, teaching classes, and heralding ceremonies and courts. I enjoy working with the range of customs and norms within and between the kingdoms found in the SCA.

I've been a silent herald in the SCA for several years; outside of the SCA, I am a nationally certified sign language interpreter. I understand the range of hearing loss within the populace of our Society, as well as the difference between the roles of modern interpreter and silent herald. I look forward to using my professional experience to work with heralds, both vocal and signing, throughout the SCA to educate, mentor, and build community. I also look forward to doing the same with royalty to help us all bridge communication gaps.

Let's continue the groundwork others have laid before us: that of making Silent Heraldry an integral part of the SCA Heraldic Community. If you have any questions, comments, or want to share information, I can be reached at silentheraldry@heraldry.sca.org.

From Pelican: Some Name Resources

This month, I am discussing Diplomatarium Danicum, which compiles medieval records from and about Denmark. This source is compiled by the Society for Danish Language and Literature, mostly from primary sources housed in the Danish State Archives in Copenhagen. At this time, Diplomatarium Danicum contains almost 20,000 records written, for the most part, in Latin, Danish, and Low German between 789 and 1412. Unfortunately, only the 15th century data and some supplements are available online (English version: http://diplomatarium.dk/index_en.html), although future volumes will be published online. The rest of the volumes are in print only, with some available at Google Books.

To search using the English version of the site, click on "Records" on the far left. If you click on the link to a particular volume/range of dates, a listing of the records comes up, including a modern Danish abstract. You can then open a particular record by clicking the link with the date in the left column of the results. Alternatively, you can search all volumes by using the text field on the search page. It is important to note that the top portion of the individual record repeats the modern Danish abstract. Do not use these spellings as documentation, as they are normalized. For example, an abstract from 1401 includes the names Henneke Hemmingsen, Katrine Barnimsdatters, and Abraham Brodersen, but the attested names are actually He[nne]ke Hæmingxson, Katrin Barnams dottir, and Abraham Brodherson, respectively.

I'd also like to note that the Danish State Archives website includes links to genealogical aids, such as samples of handwriting from c.1600, and a glossary/translation aid for common terms found in the records (e.g., wife, smallholder, burial). It can be found at http://www.sa.dk/content/us.

From Wreath: Tierces and Steps from Period Practice

A submission this month had us reexamining the existing precedent of a step from period practice for the use of a tierce with any other charge. Orle has found two examples of apparent tierces, both used with other charges: one the arms of Canella in an Italian armorial, and one the attributed arms of Barbary in a German armorial. While compelling, this is not sufficient to overturn the step from period practice; of the two examples we have so far, both are of nebuly tierces, not with plain lines or any other complex lines, and we have no reason to think these are not clouds instead of tierces with complex lines. Without further evidence that the charges in the two examples are indeed tierces we will continue to consider tierces used with other charges a step from period practice.

West Acceptances - April LoAR


West Returns - April LoAR


May 2014 LoAR (printed 9 July 2014) (West LoI January, 2014)

Cover letter

From Laurel: News from KWHSS

On June 13 to 15, the Known World Heralds and Scribes Symposium was held in the Barony of Starkhafn in the Kingdom of Caid. I thank the autocrats and staff for a fantastic event, which was attended by approximately 200 people. In addition, thank you to the many teachers who helped make the event a success, and for everyone who traveled to attend.

The 2015 KWHSS will be held June 26 through 28, 2015 in the Canton of Eoforwic, Kingdom of Ealdormere (Toronto).

From Laurel: Herald Extraordinary

The College of Arms has a rank of Herald Extraordinary that has a long and honored history. The rank was formally created and defined in the July 1981 cover letter by Wilhelm Laurel. The intent of the rank is to recognize and reward "... those heralds who have greatly served the College of Heralds and/or the College of Arms and have achieved the highest level of competence in heraldry." Further, each Herald Extraordinary shall have a personal title.

Emma de Fetherstan has given long and extraordinary service to the College of Arms in many capacities, including her work as the quondam Wreath Queen of Arms. As such, I hereby grant Emma de Fetherstan the rank of Herald Extraordinary. She may at her convenience choose and submit a personal heraldic title to be registered to her.

From Wreath: Volant and Substantial Difference

This month we ruled that a bird volant had substantially different posture from a bird close. SENA A5E5a does not currently list the volant posture in one of its groups of postures that receive substantial difference from other groups of postures. Look for a Palimpsest rules letter to further discuss whether or not volant should be added in general to SENA A5E5a, and if so, under what circumstances.

From Wreath: Complexity Counts and You

On the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss and consider our complexity count rules, as stated in SENA A3E2. In specific, we asked whether we should explicitly count complexity from the emblazon or the blazon, whether or not we should continue to count maintained charges, how to handle other artistic details, and whether or not to change the complexity count limit. For reference, SENA A3E2 currently states:

Complexity Count: We require that any submission not exceed a certain "complexity count," measured by adding the number of types of charges to the number of tinctures. Items with a complexity count of eight or less receive no penalty for complexity from this rule. Furs, such as ermine and vair, count as a single tincture rather than their component tinctures. Charges that have different names in different tinctures or orientations (roundels, crescents, gouttes) are considered one type regardless of the term used for them. All charges, including maintained charges, are counted, though objects worn by an animal or person do not. All tinctures are counted except those used only for normally unblazoned artistic details like teeth, claws, and eyes. Proper is not a tincture, but a description of a group of tinctures, each of which is counted separately.

Based on the commentary, we are making the following explicit rulings:

Look for a Palimpsest rules letter with proposed new wording for SENA A3E2.

From Wreath: Tierces and Gussets and Gores, Oh My!

Also on the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss the registerability of gores, gussets, and tierces. In November 1991, Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces. In October 2012, we declared a step from period practice for the use of any other charge with a tierce.

Much of the discussion centered around our standards for armorial elements. SENA A2B1 addresses this directly:

Attested Elements: Armorial elements are registerable if they are attested in period European armory. Designs found in a period roll of arms or a treatise on armory meet this standard, even if it is unclear from the treatise if the element was used in actual heraldry. Elements used in arms, in badges, and in crests all meet this standard. Elements must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory.

Under current SENA rules, gores, gussets, and tierces are all registerable charges as they are elements found in period heraldic treatises. However, SENA also requires that elements "must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory," and we have no examples of these charges used in actual period armory.

After much discussion and research, for which we heartily thank all of the commenters involved, and with some thought towards both period heraldry and the leeway allowed in Society armory, we are making the following rulings:

West Acceptances - May LoAR

Annabell Wood. Name and device. Gules, on a pale between six cinquefoils argent a drop spindle gules.

Nice 16th century Scots name!

Annabell Wood. Badge. (Fieldless) On a drop spindle gules a cinquefoil argent.

Donata Bonacorsi. Reblazon of device. Purpure, a hare sejant argent.

Blazoned when registered in May 1995 as Purpure, a hare argent, we are clarifying the posture of the hare.

Haley an Eich Gil. Device. Argent crusilly sable, a sea-horse vert.

Nice device!

Hrafna-Kára. Badge. (Fieldless) On a raven sable a valknut argent.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a valknut.

Irina Antonova zhena Barsuka. Name and device. Per pale purpure and argent, on a chevron four pawprints and in base a Russian Orthodox cross, all counterchanged.

The submitter has permission to claim a relationship with her husband, Anton Barsuk.

There is a step from period practice for the use of pawprints.

Tangwistel Telynores. Device. Per bend sinister nebuly Or and azure, two harps counterchanged.

Thorir Kraki. Device. Per chevron Or and sable, two ravens displayed and a wolf passant counterchanged.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a non-eagle displayed.

Please advise the submitter to draw the per chevron line of division either slightly lower upon the field, or steeper, in order to better balance it across the field.

West Returns - May LoAR

Katelin Cameron. Name and device. Purpure, a natural tiger rampant contourny argent marked sable, a bordure embattled argent.

Commenters questioned if this name conflicted with the registered Catherine Cameron. Precedent states:
Conflict with the registered name Caitlin of Greenwood. When pronounced correctly, the only difference in sound is the very minor difference between an "r" and an "l" and sometimes the difference between a "t" and a "th". Neither change is sufficient difference. [Catharine Grenewode¸ 01/00, R-Atlantia]

The long a doesn't appear in English until after our period, so the period pronunciations in English are Cat-uh-leen/Ket-uh-leen vs. Cath-uh-reen. Under this pronunciation, the name is clear under SENA PN.3.C.1, Changes to Two Syllables. In modern English, it would be Cate-lin vs. Cath-er-in. Under this pronunciation, the name is clear under SENA PN.3.C.2, Substantial Change to One Syllable.

Although these names would be clear in period and modern English/Scots, Catherine can be pronounced Cat-uh-reen in languages like French, with the h being silent or nearly so. And although one could argue that only pronunciations from the English regional language group should be considered, this is not the case under PN.3.C of SENA:

To be clear of identity conflict, two names must be substantially different in both sound and appearance. Because conflict is a modern concept, we consider matters such as meaning, language, etymological origin, etc. to be irrelevant for conflict. Only sound and appearance are considered for difference. Thus, the Latinized form of a name may be clear of conflict with the vernacular form. While we do not go out of our way to consider variant pronunciations, we do consider important period and modern pronunciations of name elements.

Therefore, as there is only a single syllable of difference in sound between Katelin and Catherine under this pronunciation, this name conflicts with Catherine Cameron and must be returned.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Thomas Dyne, Per pale azure and vert, a natural tiger salient contourny argent marked sable, a bordure embattled argent. There is a DC for the change of field, but nothing else.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a natural tiger.

In Service,
Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym ap Morgan o Erryrys,
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – July (2014)


Aaliz de Saint-Joseph (NEW name, device returned)

Aaliz: “Aaliz la morèle” and “Letoys, fille Aaliz Sanz-Argent” are found in An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris by Lord Colm Dubh (Scott Catledge) http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paris.html .

de: locative article, French (SENA Appendix A)

St. Joseph: St. Joseph is not found in the cited document; the formations that ARE found there show the formation “de Saint[hyphen]name” as in Jehannin de Saint-Thomas. No occurrence of “St.[space]name” with the “Saint” abbreviated is found, and all instances have a hyphen. We have changed the submitted form to Saint-Joseph, as submitter does not restrict changes.

Jacques Hillairet - Dictionnaire historique des rues de Paris, p.450 - Édition 1997 we find “Saint-Joseph” as being a street name dated to 1598.

In "Personal names found in the Armorial du dénombrement de la Comté de Clermont en Beauvaisis 1373-1376: some names from Picardy in the 14th century" by Brunissende Dragonette de Brocéliande (https://sites.google.com/site/chezbrunissende/heraldry/Noms/name-from-the-armorial-de-clermont) referenced on the St. Gabriel website (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/french.shtml ) we find these names: de Saint-Aubin; de Saint-Ernoul; de Saint-Just; de Saint-Pol; de Saint-Rymoult; de Saint-Sauflieu.

We feel this is attestation of the formation submitted, even if we were unable to document that an actual place named Saint-Joseph existed in the 13th century.

The French name formation [given name + locative article + placename] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.

Conall O’Coigligh (NEW name and device)

Azure, issuant from a fess wavy argent, a demi-sun Or.
No conflict found.

Conall: Conall in this spelling is found as the circa 700-900, 900-1200, and 1200-1700 nominative form in “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Conall” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Conall.shtml.

O’Coigligh: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ leads to http://www.libraryireland.com/ names/oc/o-coigligh.php - Ó COIGLIGH : O Cogly, O Cwigley, O Quigly, O Kegly, O'Coigley, O'Quigley, Cogley, Kegley, Quigley, Twigley; 'descendant of Coigleach' (derivative of coigeal, a distaff, an untidy person, with unkempt hair); the name of a branch of the “Ui Fiachrach” who were anciently seated in the barony of Carra, Co. Mayo. In the 16th century, the name was common in Sligo, Donegal, Monaghan, Carlow, Wexford and Waterford.

The Irish name formation [given name + patronymic] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.

Gaufrid Falcun (NEW name and device)

Per pale argent goutty de sang and sable seme of decrescents argent, a falcon close regardant gules.
There was discussion about the primary and underlying semy of the same tincture. After application of some white-out to distinguish the red bird from the gouty de sang we are sending this on. The submitter will be advised to draw fewer goutes and to not allow the bird to overlay the goutes. We find no conflict.

Gaufrid: Gaufrid is the modernized form of Gaufridi (d. 1235) and Gaufrido (d. 1296) found in “Names from 13th Century Scottish Parliamentary Records” by Alys Mackyntoich (Alissa Pyrich) http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Namesfrom13thCenturyScottishParliamentaryRecords.html.

Falcun: Falcun is found in Reaney & Wilson, p. 184, dated to 1187 and 1346. Also found there is Fauken, dated to 1318.

The English/Scots name formation [given name + byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.

Hans Schaffer (NEW name, device returned) (Resubmitted in August 2014)

Submitted as Hans Shaffer, we have changed the byname to match the documentation.

Hans: http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm shows Hans occurring 42 times in Bahlow, dated from 1287 to 1571, listed under Jost. Hans is also found (16 occurrences) in “German Names from Rottweil, Baden-Württemberg, 1441” by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) at http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweil1441.html .

Schaffer: This was submitted as Shaffer which we were unable to document. We were able to document Schaffer. Scha[e]ffer can be found in “German Names from Rottweil, Baden-Württemberg, 1441 – Surnames” by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweilsur.html ; no form without the “Sch” is shown. As the submitter allows changes, we are submitting the documentable form.

The German name formation [given name + byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.

Irene Dalassene (RESUB name and device)

Gules, two hares rampant addorsed argent each maintaining a halberd sable, a bordure argent goutty de sang.
This device seems to be clear of conflict.

Submitter previously submitted her name as Irena Ducas. That was returned for too great a similarity to an actual historical figure.

Irene: Irene is found in “Common Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the 6th and 7th Centuries” by Bardas Xiphias (Berret Chavez), http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/PLRE_fem_names.html#i .

The form of Irene in his article on later Byzantine names is “Eirene”, http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/fem_given_names.html .

Dalassena:Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era”, by Bardas Xiphias (Berret Chavez), http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/family_names.html#family_names , shows the masculine form as "Dalassenos", 11th century. According to the “Feminizing Family Names” section of the same article http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/feminizing.html#feminizing_family_names, "-nos" becomes "-ne". Thus, we have made the minor change to "Dalessene", not "Dalessena".

The name formation is illustrated in the documentation for the byname, and the formation [given name + byname] is also shown in “Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era” (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/structures.html#structures ) as listed in Appendix A in SENA for Greek name formation. We believe this article also covers formation of Byzantine names.

Previous submission: Irene Ducas, all physical files from April 2012 meeting are AWOL.

Lasairfhiona MacCraith (NEW name and device)

Vert, a domestic cat rampant between three triquetras argent.
We find no conflict.

Lasairfhiona: Found in “Index of Names in Irish Annals” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien), http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Lasairfhiona.shtml . It is given with many spellings, including with a fada over the second i, but that will drop easily if it is Anglicized. Dates range from 1239 to 1527. It is also given with this spelling dated to 1456.

MacCraith: Submitter stated that it is found in Woulfe at p. 79. A dated form is found in Black, p 479, Sir Robert MacCraith, vicar of Kilmalie, d. 1545

The anglicized Irish and Scots name formation [given name + byname] is shown in Appendix A in SENA.

Magnus Mackintosh (NEW name, device returned)

Magnus: Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue: Magnus, by Sara L. Uckelman, known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/dost/magnus.html dates and headers: 1524 (ambaxatour); 1579 (collig); 1602 (cationar, cowpsta); 1604 (bland, cope); 1613 (butter); 1629 (boisman); 1634 (clene)

Mackintosh: Black pp. 518-519 under header MACINTOSH, MACKINTOSH has many, many spelling variations, although the submitter's choice is not one of them, other than the header spelling. The names which are most useful in supporting this spelling as a reasonable period form are: Macintosh (edict by James V in 1528), Mackantoiss 1591, Makintoch 1597, McKintoch 1477, Mackintoche 1472, Mackintose 1550, Makintoshe 1544.

Mackintosh in the submitted spelling also can be found in Scottish parish records in the gray period as shown by the following entry found at FamilySearch.org, “Search Results from Historical Records”, “Mackintosh”

Name:   Helen Mackintosh
Christening Date:   29 Apr 1632
Father's Name:   James Mackintosh
Batch Number:   C11157-2

The name formation [given name + byname] is listed for Scots in Appendix A in SENA.

Marjorie de ffeyrefeld (NEW device)

Per chevron and per pale sable and argent, three lozenges counterchanged.
This device appears to be clear of conflict.

Skj{o,}ldr Galti (NEW name and device)

Vert, a sea-boar erect between three thorn runes Or.
Appears to be clear of conflict.

Skj{o,}ldr: Bassi, p. 14

Galti: Bassi, p. 21, “boar” or “pig”

The Old Norse name formation [given name + nickname] is discussed in Appendix A in SENA. The submitter capitalized the nickname. Based on the ruling below, a following nickname may either be capitalized or not. Therefore we have left it as submitted.

From the April 2012 LoAR:
From Pelican: Norse Capitalization
. . .
Based on the data found by commenters, we can say that capitalization in period Latin alphabet documents was uneven, with some capitalizing no elements and others capitalizing only given names and bynames derived from given names. Modern transliterations vary as well. Scholarly ones tend to use the convention of capitalizing given names but leaving descriptive bynames in lowercase. Less formal ones vary, with some rendering all name elements in uppercase, with only in(n) “the”, son and dottir in lowercase.

Given this evidence, we are removing the requirement that descriptive bynames in Old Norse be registered only in lowercase. Descriptive bynames will be registered either in uppercase or in lowercase. This matches our usage in other languages, where we render most name elements in uppercase, although many documents are written only in lowercase.

Vera Veshniakova (RESUB device)

Argent, a roc volant wings elevated and addorsed, maintaining in it’s talons an elephant sable within an orle of roses alternately sable and gules.
No conflict found.

Her previous submission: Gules, a roc volant maintaining an elephant, on a chief argent, three roses gules, was returned for conflict with Raven Clough, Sable, a hawk volant wings addorsed and on a chief argent, three roses gules.

William Hauke of Effingham (CHANGE of device)

Quarterly gules and sable a bordure argent semy of hawks striking gules.
William Hauke of Effingham’s currently registered (in March of 2010 via Trimaris) device, Quarterly gules and sable, a bordure argent semy of hawks rising contourny gules, will be released if this item is registered.


Aaliz de Saint-Joseph (RETURNED NEW device; see Submissions for NEW Name)

Per fess sable and argent, a tree proper between two mullets purpure.
We find there is inadequate contrast as drawn and submitted. There is insufficient contrast between the upper halves of the purple mullet on the black which are not visible a-la complex lines of division. We suggest the following as a possible fix. Divide the field per fess with a argent (white) upper half and sable (black) lower half. Draw the tree and purple mullets above the fess line in the white area. This will allow all of the charges to be readily recognizable. The suggested blazon for this might be Per fess argent and sable, in chief a tree proper between two mullets purpure.

Bricca di Ghelere (RETURNED NEW badge)

Vert, three rabbits courant in triangle conjoined at the ears, each sharing one ear with both the others, Or.
This conflicts with Eoin Cerd; device registered in August of 1996 (via the East) as Vert, three rabbits courant in annulo conjoined by the ears argent, and reblazoned in November of 2013 (via the East) as Vert, in pall three rabbits courant conjoined by the ears argent. There is one difference between them, the color of the rabbits. Conjoining the rabbit ears versus sharing the ears counts for nothing.

Additionally, the triangle formed by the rabbits’ ears is set vertically which unfortunately results of in the slight but noticeable, skewing of the per pall positioning of the rabbits themselves. This needs to be fixed before resubmission.

Catrin Aderyn (RETURNED NEW badge)

(Fieldless) Two chevronels within and conjoined to an annulet argent.
This badge is being returned for redrawing. It seems clear of conflict at this time. However, the whole thing needs to be about 1.5 times thicker, both the chevronels and the annulet, and drawn on the form with a slightly broader black ink line.

Hans Schaffer (RETURNED NEW device; see Submissions for NEW name )

Per bend sinister embattled vert and sable, a three headed talbot rampant argent.
This submission is in conflict with Judith Jehana di Ettore, registered in June of 1990 (via the West) Per bend sinister gules and sable, a fox rampant to sinister argent. There is only one point of difference for changing the field. There is no difference between 3-headed dog rampant and a fox rampant.

Return for redrawing. The heads are not in the classic “cerberus” tri-head position, and the head positions are not particularly identifiable, nor are they blazonable. The embattlements also are not identifiable because they are too small; the space left after the dog is drawn is not enough to clearly show any complex line, though App. H as amended 4/13 permits this color combination and pattern.

We recommend the heads be drawn one to dexter, one affrontee, and one to sinister; and that the per bend sinister embattled line be changed to plain line per bend.

Magnus Mackintosh (RETURNED NEW device; see Submissions for NEW name)

Per bend argent and gules, in sinister chief a martlet sable.
This was found to be in conflict with the badge registered to Ciothruadh Dubh in February of 2012 (via Caid) (Fieldless) A raven maintaining a spear bendwise sable. A raven is close to dexter by default as is this martlet. There is one DC for changing the field, but nothing for either removing the maintained spear or for moving the martlet to sinister chief.

Signý kistubrjótr (RETURNED NEW name and device returned)

Quarterly Or and gules, two ermines combatant proper.
Signý: Signý is found in Bassi, p. 14.

Kistubrjótr: The nickname kistubrjotr (“coffin breaker”, coll. modern “pie breaker”) is formed similarly to the following in Bassi: on page 5 as part of "haugabrjotr" ("cairn-breaker"), page 9 as part of "volubrjotr" ("exorcist"), page 10 as part of "garoabrjotr" ("fence-breaker), page 12 as part of "haugabrjotr" ("grave-robber"), page 14 as part of "hornabrjotr" (horn-breaker) and page 32 as part of "volubrjotr" ("witch-breaker"). Formed using “kistu” as the genitive singular of “kista” meaning box or chest. The information on "kista" for the meaning (chest, box, coffin) and the declension seems to be from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kista . However, that web page does not have any dates for the usage of “kista” for coffin.

In English, "coffin" was used for certain types of pastry enclosing pies, but we have no information that supports a similar usage in Iceland or other Scandinavian countries. There is a Swedish dictionary page that mentions it, but it seems to be simply a translation of the English definitions as used in England, not a list of Swedish meanings. If one attempts a reverse translation of “kista” into English from either Icelandic or Swedish, one does not get pastry crust as one of the definitions. Kista is modern Swedish for funerary box.

So it may be a correct formation for "chest-breaker", but we don't see any evidence that it means “pie-destroyer”.

The Old Norse name formation [given name + nickname] is discussed in Appendix A in SENA; the “following” nickname may be capitalized or lower case (see April 2012 LoAR discussion on Norse capitalization, below).

From the April 2012 LoAR:
From Pelican: Norse Capitalization
. . .
Based on the data found by commenters, we can say that capitalization in period Latin alphabet documents was uneven, with some capitalizing no elements and others capitalizing only given names and bynames derived from given names. Modern transliterations vary as well. Scholarly ones tend to use the convention of capitalizing given names but leaving descriptive bynames in lowercase. Less formal ones vary, with some rendering all name elements in uppercase, with only in(n) "the", son and dottir in lowercase.

Given this evidence, we are removing the requirement that descriptive bynames in Old Norse be registered only in lowercase. Descriptive bynames will be registered either in uppercase or in lowercase. This matches our usage in other languages, where we render most name elements in uppercase, although many documents are written only in lowercase.

The device is being returned because we cannot send on the name.

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