Minutes of the July, 2013 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley, CA. In general, all future meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

Moira O’Connor, Vesper; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Matins; Astrith of Swansvale, Latimer, Eilis o’Boirne, Baldric; Krysta of Starfall, Green Crown; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Greencloak/Black Mark; Caoilinn Rose Maddox, Sable Swan Herald.

Heralds’ Meetings for the remainder of 2013: Aug 18, Sep 22, Oct 20, Nov 24, no meeting in December, Jan 5, 2014 (road show at 12th Night).

Walk-in submissions will be held over until the following month unless they arrive early enough to be processed in before the scheduled start of the meeting.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com . This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.



Vesper: Still looking for a successor. KWHSS was very interesting. Had a long talk about heraldic education with several of the principal heralds in a round table discussion. I am considering digitizing the heraldic files and am looking into what we would need to purchase to complete this project.

Seawolf: Nothing new to report.

Sable Swan: Investiture was yesterday and we have new royalty. Miach is interested in creating an award for heralds for Cynagua.

Stellanordica: No report

Exchequer: We have money.

Banner: No report

Baldric: looking for new ideas for heraldic education and a deputy.

Brachet: Vacant

Greencloak: June Crown was a success. We had good heraldic turnout. Thank you everyone who helped.

Latimer: Consultation at June Crown had several people seeking advice on names and devices. Next Consultation will be at Mists Coronet.




VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The office of Brachet is currently vacant, no Brachet meetings are being held.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. These meetings have changed location and are now in Walnut Creek on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Latimer Herald, Astrið of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

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In Service,
Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym ap Morgan o Erryrys,
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 14 July, XLVIII (2013)


Bébinn ingen Conchobair – NEW name and device

Per pale azure and sable an elephant passant and on a chief argent an ivy sprig fesswise vert.

Bébinn - The modern name <Be/bhinn> comes from a contraction of <Be/> + <Find> (meaning "white woman"); this form is found in The Index of Names in Irish Annals 11 times, from 1073 to 1426; http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Bebinn.shtml

ingen - "Be/binn daughter of Brian", then you'll want <Be/binn ingen Briain>, pronounced \BAY-veen~ EEN-y@n VREE-ahn~\ ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2074, http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2074+0

Conchobair – genitive form of Conchobar, middle Irish Gaelic c900-1200; is found in The Index of Names in Irish Annals http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Conchobar.shtml

Device: No conflict found.

Gregor Hawke – New name; device returned at Kingdom

Gregor - <Griogair> was a Gaelic adaptation of the Latin saint's name <Gregorius>, which was common among the Normans. It appeared in Scotland as <Gregor> c.1240 and in English as <Gregory> 1273 [1, 4]. ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1416; http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1416.txt.

Hawke - <Hawke> is an English name meaning (predictably enough) "hawk," which we dated to 1379. (2) We didn't find <Hawke> in Scotland, but we did find the name <Hawoc> (probably pronounced <HAH-vok>), which also means "Hawk," dated to 1245. (3) Because there was considerable overlap between Scots and English it is possible that <Hauke> was used in Scotland, but we recommend <Hawoc> since we know that it was used in Scotland. ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 953; http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/953.txt.

Helias de Stigata – New name and device

Argent, a phoenix, head to sinister, gules, in chief an decrescent and a increscent sable.

Helias - found in the Report of the Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts printed in 1870; p. 34 “Helias de Cartaret” and p. 77 “Helias de Say”; also see http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/earlygasconlatin.html dated 1310-1311.

Stigata - found in http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/earlygasconlatin.html dated to 1287.

Submitter would like the name Helias Stigata; we have changed the name to match the documented form.

Device: No conflict found.

Isabella Hawke – New name and device.

Purpure, a panther sejant to sinister between three hawk’s feet erased, belled and jessed, argent.
Isabella - <Isabel> first appeared in England in the 12th century, and by the 13th and 14th centuries it was one of the most common feminine names in England. [1] Early records of the name use the Latin spelling <Isabella>, which we find from 1199 on. [1,2] ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2949; http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2949.txt.

Hawke - <Hawke> is an English name meaning (predictably enough) "hawk," which we dated to 1379. (2) We didn't find <Hawke> in Scotland, but we did find the name <Hawoc> (probably pronounced <HAH-vok>), which also means "Hawk," dated to 1245. (3) Because there was considerable overlap between Scots and English it is possible that <Hauke> was used in Scotland, but we recommend <Hawoc> since we know that it was used in Scotland. ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT953; http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/953.txt.

Device: No conflict found.

Michel von Schiltach – New name, device returned at Kingdom.

Michel has ten occurrences in the tax records of Rottweil in 1441. The source of this is “German Names from Rottweil, Baden-Wurttemburg, 1441”, Sara L. Uckelman. http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweil1441.html.

Schiltach is a town near Rottweil located in Schwartzwald. It was first mentioned in records as early as 1275, and in 1324 Luitgard von Wittichen mentioned the Schiltach castle while she was on her beggar’s pilgrimage. The submitter provided elegant documentation from several sources, attached herewith.


Gregor Hawke – New name; device returned at Kingdom

Per pale embattled Or and azure, a hawk’s head erased azure and two caltrops in pale Or.
No conflict found; device returned for redrawing. The hawk’s head is in an unidentifiable position and the “head” portion is very small on a good-sized “neck”. This particular clip art depiction of a hawk’s head erased actually looks like a handkerchief and should not be used in the future.

Michel von Schiltach – New name, device returned for redrawing.

Per chevron azure and argent, two stags attires palewise argent and in base on a tree proper, a mullet of seven points inverted, argent.
No conflict found; returned for redrawing and clarification as to whether submitter wanted “per chevron” or “per chevron throughout”.

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