Minutes of the April, 2013 Heralds Meeting

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Start: 12:29 pm; End: 2:30 pm

The meeting was held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley, CA. In general, all future meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings, if any, will be announced well in advance.

Moira O’Connor, Vesper; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Matins; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Eilis o’Boirne, Baldric; Krysta of Starfall, Green Crown; Anne Fitz Richard, Seawolf; Aine inghean Tuathail, Pinnacle; Frederick of Holland, PaL.

Heralds’ Meetings for 2013: May 19, Jun 15 (Saturday), Jul 14, Aug 18, Sep 22, Oct 20, Nov 24, no meeting in Dec, Jan 5, 2014 (road show at 12th Night).

Walk-in submissions will be held over until the following month unless they arrive early enough to be processed in before the scheduled start of the meeting.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com . This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.



Vesper: Roster letters have gone out and most people have already returned them. I will be sending out 2nd letters to those who have not returned their letter.

Known world Heraldic and Scribal Symposium is the last weekend in June, the 28 through the 30th. It is being held in San Antonio, TX. If you are interested in going, it is a good way to learn about a variety of topics in a relatively short time. There is going to be a Principal Heralds meeting that I am required to attend.

Matins: No report.

Seawolf: The Seawolf Herald changed from Aurelia de Montfort to Anne FitzRichard at Mist Coronet. The ceremony for the Silver Ivy is being rewritten and will be submitted to Hirsch when it is complete.

Sable Swan: Nothing new to report. Court reports are up to date.

Stellanordica: Herald in Earngyld is changing hands, and has been informed of the need to send information to Vesper.

Exchequer: The College is doing well financially, and our reports are up to date.

Banner: Heraldic classes are being planned the hour before the monthly submissions meeting. So far, they have not been successful but we are going to make an effort to better publicize them in the future.

Baldric: No report.

Brachet: Vacant

Greencloak: Beltane is in two weeks. There will be a rapier tournament, and I will confirm with HRH Etaine this weekend (4/20) whether there will be a heavy tournament as well. For the moment, I am assuming that there will be both and I will be staffing both. Volunteers are, as always, appreciated.

Latimer: Consultation happened at March Crown, but there were not a lot of consults done due to the style of tourney. Consultation was also offered at Mist Coronet and there will be consultation at Cynaguan Coronet at well.


The next Known World Heralds and Scribes Symposium will be held in the Barony of Bjornsborg in the Kingdom of Ansteorra (San Antonio, Texas) on June 28-30, 2013. More information to follow.


VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The office of Brachet is currently vacant, no Brachet meetings are being held.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. These meetings have changed location and are now in Walnut Creek on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Latimer Herald, Astrið of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

February 2013 LoAR (03 Apr 2013) [No West Kingdom LoI]

Cover letter

From Laurel: Job Opening

Istvan, wearing his hat as the post-meeting clerk, has announced his desire to retire from this position, which he has held continuously since September of 2005. Therefore, we are seeking applicants for this position. Please note that, if everything goes well, this position will not exist in another few years, when the required functionality is folded into OSCAR.

The successful candidate will have strong computer use skills, including the ability to install and use open source command-line programs, an understanding of more than just basic XML, the ability to keep deadlines, and the ability to maintain confidences.

The current job responsibilities include doing the following, reliably, every month:

Istvan would like to be retired from this position by mid-July. Accordingly, applications should be emailed to Laurel at laurel@heraldry.sca.org and copied to postmeeting@heraldry.sca.org by June 15, 2013.

From Pelican: Some Name Resources (an ongoing series)

One popular kind of household names are the so called inn-sign names, derived from the names of charges used on signs found on inns and other buildings. These names take forms like House of the White Horse, Haus zum Wolf, or Hostel du Croissant. These types of names are found only in certain parts of Europe, and thus are only registerable in those places where this pattern is found. The pattern is known in English, French, Italian, and German. As of the moment, it is not known in Spain or Eastern Europe.

Information about inn-sign names in English can be found in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "English Sign Names" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/inn/) and Margaret Makafee's "Comparison of Inn/Shop/House names found London 1473-1600 with those found in the ten shires surrounding London in 1636" (http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~grm/signs-1485-1636.html). Latinized inn-sign names can be found in English context as well.

Information about inn-sign names in French can be found in Juliana de Luna's "Inn Signs and House Names in 15th Century Paris" (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/ParisInnHouseNames/). Examples of these names in bynames can be found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423.html); they use a or aux instead of de.

Information about inn-sign names in Italian can be found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "Names from an Early 16th C Census of Rome: Household Names" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/leohousehold.html, third grouping). Larger groups of people, equivalent to neighborhoods, also sometimes use inn-sign style names; see Nicholas Eckstein's book The district of the Green Dragon: neighbourhood life and social change in Renaissance Florence (gonfalone del Dragho Verde). A list of Florentine gonfalone is forthcoming, as soon as Pelican can get it done.

Information on German house names has not been put together by an SCA source in English. However, examples of them have been found in a variety of sources and included in Letters of Acceptances and Returns as well as OSCAR. I'm going to summarize the data here to put it in one place.

From December 2009:

Die Hausnamen und Hauszeichen im mittelalterlichen Freiburg, by Karl Schmidt, published 1930 (The housenames and housesigns of medieval Freiburg)... P 32 considers names based on Bär (bear), including ze dem Bern 1326, zum schwarzen Beren 1565, hus zum guldin Bern der schuchmacher trigstuben 1394, zem roten beren 1390, haus zum weissen Beren in der Vitschivisgasse 1444, zum blawen Beren 1565.

From the February 2011 Letter of Acceptances and Returns, " Commenters were able to find a 1590s byname zum schwarzen Schild (among other places, in Ernst Grohne's Die Hausnamen und Hauszeichen)."

Bahlow dates Cunrad zum Grifen to 1297 s.n. Greif(f), a Haus zum Eichhorn to 1460 s.n. Eichhorn, J. van deme Drachin to 1363 s.n. Draa(c)k, Walther zem Sterne to 1255 s.n. Stern, and Vren zergigen (=zur Geige) to 1357 s.n. Geiger.

Brechenmacher dates Burchart zem Rosin to 1295 and Wernher zum Rosen to 1311 s.n. Rose. He also dates Jacobus dictus zum Hirze to 1304 and N. dictus zem Hirtze to 1300 s.n. Hirsch.

Thanks to Aryanhwy Sans Repose and Lillia Diademe, who tracked down many of these citations (taken from commentary on various items over the years).

From Wreath: Straight Trumpets and You

A submission this month caused discussion of whether or not a sheaf of straight trumpets inverted used the reserved crossed trumpets motif. The reservation, as currently stated in the Glossary of Terms, is for "two straight trumpets in saltire", reserved to "heraldic offices". Long-standing practice, however, has reserved the motif to tinctureless badges for Principal Heralds' seals, not just any heraldic office.

A similar design with three straight trumpets in a sheaf has come up at least once before:

[(Fieldless) Two straight trumpets in saltire, surmounted by another palewise...] ...As for the badge, it still uses the crossed trumpets currently reserved to official heralds in the Society for a non-official organization, even if these are surmounted by a third trumpet.... [Taliesynne Nycheymwrh yr Anghyfannedd, R-Trimaris, Sep 1989 LoAR]

[appeal of badge return] ...The List of Reserved Charges is still available, in the Glossary of Terms sold by the Stock Clerk, and is still in force. The use of the crossed trumpets is still reserved to the College of Arms; the only new submissions that may use them are the seals of Principal Heralds. Nor can one argue that the current submission, by using three trumpets instead of two, is clear of the problem. The design uses a reserved motif, and additional charges don't remove the presumption; that would be like saying that the use of one crown is reserved to Royal Peers, but the use of two crowns is not.... [Taliesynne Nycheymwrh yr Anghyfannedd, R-Trimaris, Dec 1992 LoAR]

Some commenters argued that this is not necessarily a valid argument, as it confuses reserved charges with a reserved motif. There is no restriction on the use of a straight trumpet, nor on two straight trumpets, only on two straight trumpets in saltire. This then leads us to consider whether the reservation should indeed cover a sheaf, as heraldic shorthand for two straight trumpets in saltire surmounted by another palewise, or if the addition of that third trumpet removes presumption. Likewise, the Glossary of Terms is silent as regards orientation. While a reserved charge, such as a crown or a pelican, is reserved in all possible orientations and numbers, two straight trumpets in saltire is not a charge, it is a motif.

As far as orientation goes, Metron Ariston noted that in a letter from Ioseph of Locksley dated Jan 26, 1973, he listed the official blazon of various offices. The College of Arms was listed as Vert, two straight Trumpets in saltire, bell in chief Or. This implies, at least, that it was always the intent for the bells of the trumpets to be in chief. Furthermore, the Admin Handbook in section II.E.5 discusses tinctureless Principal Heralds' seals, and specifically states that "Such seals must contain two straight trumpets in saltire, bells to chief." We are therefore clarifying that the reserved motif is two straight trumpets in saltire, bells to chief, and that the reservation is for the seals of Principal Heralds.

We decline to rule at this time whether or not a sheaf of straight trumpets, bells to chief is presumptive of two straight trumpets in saltire, bells to chief.

West Kingdom acceptances


West Kingdom returns


In Service,
Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym ap Morgan o Erryrys,
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 17 April, XLVII (2013)


Bera Vigabjarki -- New Name and Device

Per saltire argent and azure, a valknut sable.
Bera – Bassi. From the root ber, "bear" found also in berserkr. The name Bera is found in Egils saga Skallagrímssonar, c. 1230, for Bera Yngvarsdóttir, mother of Egill Skallagrímsson; she is also mentioned in Landnámabók ch. 25. Landnámabók, ch. 100, states that Egill Skallagrímsson also had a daughter named Bera. A diminuitive form of this name is Birla. Geirr Bassi, pp. 8; Cleasby and Vigfusson, pp. 58 s.v. bera.

Vigabjarki – “Viga” found in Geirr Bassi, pg. 29, viga means battle; “bjarki” found in Geirr Bassi, pg. 20, bjarki means bear cub; appears to be a nickname meaning battle bear cub.

Device seems clear of conflict.

Carrick MacBrian -- Device Resubmission to Kingdom (Name registered, May 2012)

Per pale sable and gules, an orle of lozenges argent.
This is a complete redesign.

Fiore del Volpe -- New - Name

Fiore – from “A Listing of all Women’s Given Names from the Condado Section of the Florence Catasto of 1427”; St. Gabriel (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/Juliana/condado/ womensalpha.html)

del Volpe – from “A Listing of all Family Names that Occur Three Times or More from the Condado Section of the Florence Catasto of 1427”; St. Gabriel (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/Juliana/condado/familyfreq.html)

Katla loki Ulfsdottir -- Name Change from Bella Caterina Malatesta

Katla – Geirr Bassi, p. 12

loki – Geirr Bassi, p. 25, “loop on a thread” byname

Ulfsdottir – Geirr Bassi, 15 (Ulfr)

Ulfsdottir appears to be correctly formed. Bella Caterina Malatesta to be retained as an alternate name.

Khadijah al Mutadi -- Name Resub Meridies, Jan. 2012

Khadijah – “Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices”, Da’ud ibn Auda

MutadiArabic First Names, Hippocrene Books (ed.) copyright 1999

Please find us better documentation for “Mutadi” and formation.

Lucius Cassius Maris -- Device Resubmission to Kingdom (Name registered, Aug 2012)

Argent fretty sable, a bordure and a trident head vert.
Device seems clear of conflict. Submitter will be instructed to draw the bordure wider.

Tullia Serafina da Ferrara -- Change of Name [Sarah Wydville] and Device [Per fess argent and paly argent and sable, in canton a rose, a bordure sable. ]

Azure, between the arms of a cross fleury Or, pierced, four plates.
Tullia – This appears to be an appropriate female name for the 16th century northern Italian region, based on the presence on the presence of Tullia d’Aragona, a prominent courtesan and intellectual, born in 1510, and active in Venice and Ferrara. She was the author of “Dialogues of the Infinity of Love,” (Chicago: University of Chicago: 1997: ISBN 0-226-13639-6). Tullia d’Aragona is the subject of a multitude of research on women authors in the 16th c.

Serafina – St. Gabriel 2939

da Ferrara – da Ferrara is a common byname associated with individuals from Ferrara. Example: Domenico Maria Novara da Ferrara, Italian astronomer (1454 – 1504). From SENA: Italian: Locative bynames in the northern and central areas normally take the form da X but de X and di X are rarely found.

Device seems clear of conflict. We note Launcelot de Westwood (either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were registered in September of 1973): Azure, a cross botonny fitchy Or.

We believe piercing counts as a difference, as equivalent to a tertiary.

Her currently registered name and device, Sarah Wydville, Per fess argent and paly argent and sable, in canton a rose, a bordure sable, is retained as an alternate name and badge associated with that name.



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