Minutes of the May, 2012 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 20 May 2012, in Stockton. The meeting started at 12:20PM. In attendance at this meeting were: Owen ap Morgan, Matins; Moira O’Connor, Vesper; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Brachet; Caoilinn Rose Maddox, Sable Swan / Exchequer; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Greencloak; Frederick of Holland, PaL; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, PaL; and Anne FitzRichard, PEaL.

[The June 2012 meeting originally scheduled was cancelled for lack of business.] 2012 meetings have been scheduled as follows: July 15, August 19, September 23, October 21, and November 11. There is no meeting scheduled for December 2012; the January 2013 meeting will be held the Sunday of 12th Night, as usual.

Starting time: As my father has started holding Quaker meetings for worship in our home some Sunday mornings, heraldry meetings will now start at 1:00 PM in order to avoid conflict. Please do not arrive before 12:30 PM.

PLEASE NOTE: Unless and until specified otherwise, the regular meetings are now taking place in Stockton at the home of Owen ap Morgan, Matins Herald:

2023 Oak Branch Dr
Stockton, CA 95205
(209) 463-6861 (message)
Contact Owen for directions. The drive is approximately an hour from Sacramento and an hour and a half from either Berkeley or San Jose via Livermore.

Walk-in submissions are generally permitted but not encouraged, as they do not allow for advance review and prep work.. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 12:30 PM to allow the file to be pulled or set up. For meetings not held in Stockton (Collegium, 12th Night, etc.) sufficient advance notice to pull any existing file will be required.

WARNING: Recent meetings have seen a high number of walk-in submissions which have seriously delayed the start of the meetings, wasting the time of the heralds attending while Matins and the exchequer prepare those submissions for processing. This is unfair to our volunteers and will not be permitted to continue. Starting in May, walk-in submissions which have not been pre-processed before the scheduled start of the meeting will be held until the end of the meeting, at which point those in attendance will be given the choice whether to stay and process the walk-ins or to defer them until the next scheduled meeting.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com . This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.



Moira, Vesper: The change in the office of Seawolf Herald was effected without advance approval by Vesper. This is NOT acceptable.

Owen, Matins: The new rules were adopted by the Board of Directors without any significant revision beyond renaming them the "Standards for Evaluating Names and Armory", or SENA for short. They will be used in parallel with the prior rules starting with the May 2012 Laurel meetings (considering items on which commentary regarding the application of the draft rules was perfunctory at best) and will take full effect at the November 2012 Laurel meetings (considering LOIs from August.) Consequently there is a very limited time in which to become familiar with the new rules and their application.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet: The Brachet meeting personnel are attempting to decipher the new rules. Some of the April material may go unresearched due to volume and time constraints.

Astrið, Latimer / East Bay Brachet: [via Frederick] Research meetings went on hiatus due to various attacks of life but have gotten back on track. April letters should be completed by the end of the month.

Eilis, Baldric: No report.

Ketiley, Banner (Acting): No report.

Aasa, Greencloak (Acting): Beltane was only lightly attended by heralds, requiring significant effort from those who were present. The format for June Crown is expected to be strenuous, especially since the heralds will be competing with other demands for personnel (e.g., marshals.)

Hirsch, Golem: No report.

Aurelia, Seawolf (Acting): No report.

Caoilinn, Sable Swan (Acting) / Exchequer: The office has been coordinating with the Prince and Princess, who are doing their own court reporting.

Bianca, Stellanordica (Acting): Things are fine. The new Prince and Princess are working out well.


The Known World Heralds and Scribes Symposium will be held in the East Kingdom (Rhode Island) over the weekend of June 22-24. Yes, this is the same weekend as West Kingdom June Crown Tourney. Sigh. Those desiring a more convenient time and location may desire to investigate the logistics of hosting one. It hasn't been held in the West in some time. We've missed the window for 2013 (bids were due by the end of March, at which time only Ansteorra and Northshield had submitted them. The bids can be seen in OSCAR for those interested.)


VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held most Mondays at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym (Brachet) for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. These meetings have changed location and are now in Walnut Creek on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Latimer Herald, Astrið of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.


Cover letter

From Laurel: New Rules At Last!

It is our pleasure to announce that the new rules for submissions document, which we are renaming "Standards for Evaluation of Names and Armory" (SENA), was approved by the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc. at their April meeting.

Starting with the May 2012 decision meetings, we will begin a six month transition period. Items appearing on Letters of Intent scheduled for decision between May 2012 and October 2012 will be accepted if they are registerable (that is, they meet the style, conflict, presumption, and offense requirements) of the old rules or the new standards. During this period, an item will not be registered if it partially meets the standards for each set of rules (for example, it has a conflict under the old rules and a style problem under the new rules). An item must be completely legal under one set of rules or the other. Starting with the November 2012 meeting, items will be considered only under the new standards. Any Letters of Intent originally scheduled to be considered in October or before will be considered under the rules in force for that meeting, even if they have to be rescheduled because of issues with payment or paperwork. Any items (even entire letters) which are returned for administrative reasons will not be given that consideration.

We want to thank the many people, heralds and others, who have contributed to these rules since we started this project over two and a half years ago. This project could not have happened without the time and energy of many members of the College of Arms. We particularly want to thank Juliana de Luna and Marie de Blois, who served as Palimpsests during this project. Without their work directing the project, it would never have come to fruition. We want to thank our predecessors as Laurel, Olwynn and Elisabeth, who oversaw this work. We also want to thank the many heralds who served on committees that developed and proofread drafts.

From Palimpsest: Updates to the Administrative Handbook

At the April Board meeting, in addition to the new Standards for Evaluation of Names and Armory, the Board approved a number of changes to the Administrative Handbook.

Many of these changes fixed minor inconsistencies, modified the letters in Appendix D, and brought the Administrative Handbook in alignment with already published changes in policy (such as the scanning of packets). Other changes affect the reporting and record-keeping requirements for Laurel and principal heralds/

Of general interest, the changes also clarify unclear sections, such as who signs letters, which items have fees, and the information needed in transfers. Additionally, Hitching and Hitching was added to Appendix H.

We are considering a more substantial change to the Administrative Handbook to improve its usability. Palimpsest will have more details and begin those discussions in the next few months.

From Laurel: Title Shuffling

Elsbeth Anne Roth, formerly Clarion Herald, has registered her own heraldic title, Wulffeld. She has also stepped up as Garnet Herald of Æthelmearc, their submissions herald. With this combination of circumstances, she has admitted that she no longer needs the Clarion title from Laurel.

Since the title is available, and since the job really should have a title, we are assigning the Clarion title to our Education Deputy, currently Marie de Blois. The job is not changing, but we hope that advancing this to a titled position demonstrates the importance of the job which this deputy does.

From Laurel: Packets in OSCAR

There have been questions about what should be marked private in the packet docs feature in OSCAR.

Name and armory forms are easy - they should always be marked as forms and should be marked private. Other documentation shouldn't be marked as a form. So what should be marked private? Anything that contains modern information that can be used to identify a person should be private. If it has a legal name, legal signature, address, or private e-mail address it should be marked private. (An office address, such as laurel@heraldry.sca.org, isn't a private e-mail address.) If an item is marked private there is a very limited list of people on Laurel staff who can see the document. Documentation such as scans from armorials, name articles, maps, etc. should not be marked private. This allows the documents to be read and evaluated by commenters, which helps Pelican and Wreath.

From Pelican: Some Names Resources (a series): Marital Names Part 1

One issue that often comes up with submissions is how husbands and wives share (or fail to share) bynames. While it's typical in the modern world for a married couple to share a surname, this was not true in many areas of Europe in the Middle Ages.

In some languages, bynames are quite literal. Some such languages include Gaelic, Old Norse, Old English (Anglo-Saxon), Welsh, Russian, and Arabic. In these languages, patronymic bynames, which say you're someone's son or daughter, are literal. Thus, sharing a byname with your spouse suggests that you have the same father, or at least that your fathers had the same name. So in these languages, husbands and wives normally have unrelated bynames.

In some languages (including Gaelic, Russian, Old Norse, and Hungarian), there are constructions that name a woman as her husband's wife. In Gaelic, the pre-1200 word meaning "wife" is ben, while the post-1200 word is bean. It is followed by the name of her husband in the genitive (possessive) form. Names have been found using the husband's complete name, his given name, and his byname. In Russian, the word for "wife" is zhena; it normally comes after her husband's given name and before his patronymic byname, both in the "patronymic" form. More details can be found in Paul Wickenden of Thanet's A Dictionary of Period Russian Names (http://heraldry.sca.org/paul/). In Old Norse, the word for wife is kona; a byname consists of the husband's given name in the genitive (possessive) form, followed by the word kona. In Hungarian, this type of byname is formed by using the husband's entire name (surname first), with -ne attached to his given name. This byname comes first and is followed by her given name, as is typical in Hungarian.

In addition, Latinized bynames in multiple languages use uxor "wife" followed by the husband's name (usually given name only, but sometimes his complete name) in Latinized form. This grammar requires the genitive (possessive) form of the husband's name (as it's naming her as John's wife, for example). More information about marital bynames in other languages will follow next month.

From Pelican: Making Heraldic Titles from Order Names

On the October 2011 Cover Letter, I asked whether we should allow heraldic titles to be created from any order names, or only some order names. We now know that there were a variety of patterns that led to period order names. Some were derived from the badges of the orders, and were derived from heraldic charges (sometimes unmodified, sometimes with a color attached, sometimes two charges together). Some were derived from regalia attached to the orders. Both of these types of order names were used to create heraldic titles in period. We therefore will continue to allow heraldic titles to be created following these patterns.

Order names are also derived from other patterns, including the names of saints, of abstract qualities, and other complex constructions (like Michael Archangel, Saint Georges Shield, Green Shield with the White Lady, or Our Lady of the Noble House). These other patterns do not seem to have been used to create heraldic titles. Heraldic titles that follow these patterns will not be registered without further evidence that they follow a specific pattern for heraldic titles, not only order names.

From Pelican: Summaries and Why they Matter

We ask that submissions heralds pay more attention to the summaries of the forms in OSCAR. Recently, there have been a rash of submissions in which changes made at kingdom were not summarized. It's important that even very small changes to the name (changes to accents or to capitalization) be summarized in OSCAR. If changes are made to the name on the form before it is received by kingdom, that should be noted either in the summary or in a note to the sovereigns. Otherwise, the Laurel office will have to contact you to find out when and how those changes were made. As we have relaxed the requirement that all changes be made on the forms, this is even more important. Now, that summary is the only way we can know that changes are intentional and not just a typo on the letter of intent.

In addition, it's important that authenticity requests and the changes that submitters allow be accurately included in OSCAR. While we try not to return or pend items unnecessarily, we depend on commenters to help us figure out what authentic forms would be and what possible forms of a name might be registerable given the changes the submitter allows. If commenters don't know about these requests, they can't respond to them. And that leads to Pelican having to do extra research or having to pend items for the commenters to do more research. Either of these makes for a cranky Pelican. So, keep us happy and check your summaries.

From Wreath: Krakens and Squids and Octopuses, Oh My!

The term kraken, especially as applied to a giant squid, appears to date no earlier than the eighteenth century. Research provided by Ursula Green Staff states:

...it looks like neither <squid> nor <octopus> was used in our period: the first instance of <squid> in the OED is dated to 1613 (the etymology is "of obscure origin"), and the first use of <octopus> is eighteenth-century.

Words for types of squid found in English in our period are <calamarie> (dated to 1567 under <calamary>, n.) and <cuttle> or <cuttle fish> (dated in this spelling s.v. <cuttle> n. to 1598 and 1591, but in other forms as early as c. 1000). I also found this interesting quotation from 1635:

The Calamarie is sometimes called the Sea-clerk, having as it were a knife and a pen. Some call him the Ink-horn-fish.

As regards octopuses, it seems that in English at least there was no distinction drawn in period between octopuses, with eight tentacles, and squid and cuttlefish, with ten tentacles. The word <polypus>, meaning a cephalopod having either eight or ten tentacles, is dated in that spelling to 1578, and in other forms to at least 1527.

As we desire to use period terms whenever possible, based on this research we will no longer use the blazon term kraken, but will instead use calamarie or cuttle-fish to describe squid. Due to the similarity with the modern word, we will use the blazon term polypus to describe the octopus. The SCA default orientations remain the same, with polypus defaulting to tentacles to base, and calamarie defaulting to tentacles to chief. There is no difference granted for type, only for orientation.

We may, on a case by case basis, retain the use of the modern terms for items already registered in order to preserve a cant.

From Wreath: Testicles

This month we were asked to consider two badges which used testicles as a charge. These items generated a great amount of discussion on whether or not the charge runs afoul of our ban on vulgar armory. Testicles are a period charge, used in the arms of Bartolomeo Colleoni (c. 1395/1400-1475). However, we have refused to register some period heraldic charges due to perception of modern offensiveness. As rulings on offensive armory are quite rare, we want to reassure readers that both Wreath and Laurel read the arguments both for and against, and the decision was a joint one.

The General Principles section of the Rules for Submissions, I.2 Offense, reads, "No name or armory will be registered that may be offensive to a significant segment of the Society or the general population." Section IX.1, Vulgar Armory, goes further to state, "Pornographic or scatological items or designs will not be registered. Obscene images, sexually explicit material, bathroom or toilet humor, etc. are considered inherently offensive by a large segment of the Society and general population."

Commenters argued that we have registered such charges as a woman's breast previously without claims of offense, and this is so. While we do not habitually blazon such details, we do not hesitate to register animals obviously pizzled, either. However, pizzling is typically a subtle, but natural and expected detail on an animal, and the heraldic styling of a single breast is far from offensive, particularly when we also register without hesitation bare-chested mermaids. Commenters argued that most non-heralds would identify this charge as a leaf of some sort, or possibly a heart inverted. This charge was shown, without comment, to several large groupings of non-heralds in the SCA, and the vast majority, if not all, immediately identified it correctly.

We must keep in mind that our rules against offensiveness and vulgarity include "the general population". While there is nothing that describes heraldic testicles as being human as opposed to animal, the general population still tends to draw a line at openly displaying anything "south of the border". Members of the SCA may understand that this is a period heraldic charge, but we are inclined to pay attention to the rest of General Principle I.2, which reads "No submission will be registered that is detrimental to the educational purposes or good name of the Society, or the enjoyment of its participants because of offense that may be caused, intentionally or unintentionally, by its use." Until a significant segment of the general population would not be offended by seeing testicles in armory, we will not register this charge.

From Wreath: Even More: Roundels and Penguins and Roses

Three other precedents of note were set this month.

Firstly, due to the potential confusion with other charges, roundels with complex lines will not be registered after the September 2012 meeting without evidence of period practice.

Secondly, when considering the categories of birds set forth on the November 2003 Cover Letter, we have decided that penguin-shaped birds, by which we mean penguins and auks, when depicted in their default upright close posture are substantially different from all other birds. The use of a penguin is still a step from period practice.

Thirdly, a submission provoked a discussion of various period depictions of roses. A heraldic rose has typically five petals, occasionally six, or even four in Italian heraldry as seen in Stemmario Trivulziano. Documentation proved that long stems and leaves are completely unremarkable with an otherwise heraldic rose.

Certainly multi-petaled natural roses existed in period, most notably the Damask rose and the Apothecary's rose; however, the cabbage rose is modern. Roses in period heraldry, even when depicted more naturalistically, are always shown affronty, not in profile, and even the more naturalistic multi-petaled depictions use five main petals around the outside edge, with the other petals as internal detail.

Therefore, the use of a depiction of a modern rose in profile is now a step from period practice. There is no difference granted between a modern rose in profile and a heraldic rose, and the difference will not be blazoned as we would prefer to encourage the use of heraldic roses instead.

From Wreath: Policy on Redraws

With the advent of OSCAR and quicker feedback about a submission, artwork concerns are coming to light much faster. A concerned submissions herald might be tempted to act upon the feedback and do a redraw of the armory, submitting new forms before the close of commentary. However, this is not the best way to handle the issue. The emblazon on the Letter of Intent on OSCAR must match the submitted paperwork, and commenters need to be sure they are commenting on the correct item, not a potentially-redrawn item. It is also worth remembering that images posted in commentary are not publicly viewable, only the original emblazon.

Therefore, if an item needs to be redrawn while still in commentary, it should be withdrawn by noting such as a correction. The redrawn item, approved by the submitter, should then be resubmitted on a new letter. Keep in mind that a kingdom may have multiple letters in a given month.

Occasionally errors happen when a Letter of Intent is published. If an image is completely incorrect, it may be replaced within seven days of publication of the Letter of Intent. Past that, it should be withdrawn and resubmitted.

If the emblazon on OSCAR and the submitted paperwork differ, the item may be administratively returned. Wreath has discretion to waive this policy as needed on a case by case basis.

West Kingdom acceptances

Aharon Rodriguez d'Aguilar. Reblazon of device. Per pall inverted sable, argent and vert, two frigate birds close affronty each perched on a maintained branch counterchanged throated gules and a calamarie inverted argent.

Blazoned when registered in January 1986 as Per pale sable and argent, two frigate birds close affronty, each on a branch, counterchanged, each throated gules, on a point pointed vert, a kraken with tentacles in base argent, we are reblazoning the kraken as a calamarie in order to use a period term for the creature, and clarifying the field division.

David the Pensive. Reblazon of device. Argent, a chevron disjoint vert and in chief a sun in glory gules.

Blazoned when registered in January 1973 as Argent, a chevron fracted vert, in chief a sun in glory gules, the chevron here is not fracted, with the point displaced downwards, but disjoint with the point of the chevron missing entirely.

Jon Searider. Reblazon of device. Barry wavy argent and azure, a calamarie sable.

Blazoned when registered in January 1973 as Barruly undy argent and azure, a kraken sable, we are reblazoning the kraken as a calamarie in order to use a period term for the creature.

Khaalid al-Jaraad. Reblazon of device. Purpure, a bat-winged polypus argent.

Blazoned when registered in February 1984 as Purpure, a bat-winged octopus displayed argent, we are reblazoning the octopus as a polypus, in order to use a period term for the creature.

Patrice of the Misty Fjords. Reblazon of device. Argent, a wyvern erect contourny azure sustaining by the blade a sword inverted sable, a bordure azure.

Reblazoned in February 2012 as Argent, a wyvern erect contourny azure sustaining by the blade a sword inverted sable, we inadvertantly left off the bordure.

Thomas ap Thomas. Reblazon of device. Per bend sinister azure and sable, a calamarie inverted maintaining two axes argent.

Blazoned when registered in January 1973 as Per bend sinister azure and sable, a kraken inverted bearing in the dextermost and sinistermost tentacles two axes argent, we are reblazoning the kraken as a calamarie in order to use a period term for the creature.

West Kingdom returns


In Service,
Owen ap Morgan
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 20 May, XLVII (2012)


Arianwen ferch Morgan - Device resubmission to kingdom (May 2008)

Per pale azure and argent all semy of roses counterchanged.
Although identified on the form as a new submission, this is actually a resubmission. Her prior submission of Per chevron azure and argent, three triquetras in chevron argent and a horse's head coupes sable was returned in May 2008 for conflict with the device of Deirdre Fallon Per chevron azure and argent, three card-piques argent and a horse's head contourny sable, along with artistic problems with the triquetras. The conflict no longer exists under SENA, as the horse's head would now count as half the primary charge group.

Enoch Bailey - New name and device

Azure, on a keystone Or a pheon inverted gules, a chief enarched Or.
Entered on the name form as ENOCH BAILEY, we have adjusted to standard capitalization practice for proper names.

Enoch is a masculine English given name. The article "Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names - Men's names listed by frequency" by Talan Gwynek at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/eng16/eng16mfreq.html attests a single instance of this spelling.

Bailey is an English surname. There is an IGI extracted record showing

ALICE BAILEY Female Marriage 11 November 1572 Saint Margaret, Westminster, London, England Batch: M001601
[extraneous fields omitted.]

The submitter further notes the alternate spellings Bailly from "Surnames in 15th C York" http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/york15/surnames-alphabetical.htm, Baly from "Bynames Found in the 1523 Subsidy Roll for York and Ainsty" http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/york16bynamesalphabetically.htm, and Bayly, Baylye from "16th Century Gloucestershire Names" http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/late16.html.

The keystone is not the modern notched form ruled a step from period practice. The enarching of the chief is enthusiastic but not so much that we felt it required return.

Ingriðr rauðkinn - New name and device

Bendy sinister gules and argent, a phoenix sable enflamed Or and a bordure sable.
Entered on the submission form in a mixed large cap, small cap, and lower case rendition of the spelling Ingriðr Raoðkinni, we have changed this to standard capitalization for proper names. Capitalization is considered a minor change, which the submitter permits. Further, the -o- and -i are not attested by the sources we have found at all, and even if the latter were found it might need to change to -a for a feminine name. We have substituted the nearest attested form. Capitalization of the byname may be restored depending on the pending ruling regarding that.

Ingriðr is a feminine Old Norse given name. Geirr Bassi attests two instances of the accented form Ingríðr. Accents may be omitted so long as it is done consistently, which is the case here.

rauðkinn is an Old Norse descriptive byname meaning "red-cheek" attested (with a single instance) in Geirr Bassi.

The pattern [given] + [byname] is listed for Old Norse in Appendix A of SENA, and descriptive non-occupational bynames are identified as used for Old Norse.

The lines for the bendy sinister division appear to have been pencilled in before the bordure was added, resulting in the small bits at top and bottom. This should merit no more than a note to the artist.

Lucius Cassius Marius - Name resubmission to kingdom (Feb. 2012) (see Returns for device resubmission)

The original Lucius Cassius Maris was returned in Feb. 2012 for failure to document the cognomen Maris. The submitter has substituted a close variant.

The submitter's documentation comes primarily from the article "ROMAN NAMES - Selecting and Using your Roman Name" at http://www.legionxxiv.org/nomens/, which is linked from but not hosted at heraldry.sca.org. This article gives the basic pattern of aristocratic masculine Roman names as [praenomen] + [nomen] + [cognomen].

Lucius is a masculine Roman praenomen according to the article "Roman Names" supra.

Cassius is a masculine Roman nomen found in classical use, most notably by Gaius Cassius Longinus, one of the assassins of Julius Caesar. [The notoriety thus acquired may explain its omission from the "Roman Names" article.] The submitter sent a printout of the relevant Wikipedia page, which includes an extensive bibliography and a statement that the article incorporates material from the 11th edition Encyclopædia Britannica.

Marius is a masculine Roman cognomen according to the article "Roman Names" supra.

Meuric Penvelyn - Name resubmission to kingdom (July 2011) and new device

Argent semy of acorns inverted, a chevron vert between three crows sable.
Client requests authenticity for Welsh language and/or culture and states a preference for the meaning "blond or yellow headed".

This is a resubmission to kingdom. The original Meurig ap Rhys was returned in July 2011 for conflict with Meuric ap Rhys (May 2000, Outlands). The current submission listed two alternate names, the first being Meuric Penfelyn and the second Meuric ap Hova. As the submitter permits minor changes, states a preference for the meaning "blond or yellow headed", and requests authenticity for Welsh (time unspecified), we have gone with the first alternative and adjusted the spelling of the byname to a more compatible form suggested by Harpy in e-mail correspondence.

Meuric is a masculine Welsh given name. The article "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/welsh13.html attests this spelling under the modern header Meurig.

Penvelyn is presented as a Welsh descriptive byname meaning "yellow head". The "Simple Guide" supra, in its section on "Bynames based on a personal nickname" lists both the elements Pen (s.n. [Pen]) and Velyn (s.n. [Melyn]), as well as the compound formations Penbras "fat-head" and Pengrek "curly-head" (s.n. [Pengrych]). Per Harpy:

In case this is unclear, the compound penfelyn does not appear in the simple guide but can be constructed in parallel with other "head + adjective" bynames such as pengrych.
This is the interpretation desired by the submitter.

Penvelyn is also attested as a Welsh place name from 1350-51 in

Pierce, Thomas Jones. 1935. "Lleyn Ministers Accounts, 1350-51" in Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies: 06:255-276.

As Appendix A to SENA shows Welsh using unmarked locatives, descriptive bynames, and the pattern [given] + [byname] this should be acceptable regardless of the derivation of Penvelyn and reasonably authentic for 13-14th C Welsh.

This design (a central ordinary between numbered charges with strewn charges) is not presently on the list excused from further documentation by SENA. We have been assured that adequate documentation of the pattern is readily available to those with the proper sources; lacking those, we consider it fortunate that SENA is not yet the only route to registration and express a fervent hope that Appendix J will undergo a massive overhaul and expansion before that becomes the case.

Nathan Hartman - New name and device

Quarterly sable and azure, a cross parted and fretted argent.
The submitter's documentation relies on a persona story to connect a given name shown in use by Egyptian Jews with a German surname. As both elements can be found in late period Germany in the IGI extracts, we have substituted that documentation.

Nathan is a masculine German given name. An IGI extracted record attests

NATHAN MAINFROID Male Christening 20 August 1582 Evangelisch, Frankenthal, Pfalz, Bayern Batch: J984291
[Here, as below, I have omitted fields I see as extraneous.]

Hartman is a German surname. IGI extracted records attest

BALTASSAR HARTMAN Male Marriage 6 March 1564 Evangelisch,Landau In Pfalz Stadt, , Pfalz, Bayern Batch: M972351
Hans Hartman Male Marriage 17 February 1573 Bretten, Karlsruhe, Baden Batch: M012608
ERASSMUS HARTMAN Male Christening 16 September 1582 Evangelisch, Altdorf, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg Batch: J969061
BERNHARD HARTMAN Male Christening 14 October 1591 Katholisch, Krautheim, Mosbach, Baden Batch: C969391

Appendix A of SENA shows the pattern [given] + [byname] for German.

Sadb ingen Aedáin - New name (see Returns for device) Entered on the name form in a mix of large caps, small caps, and a single lower case 'i', we have changed it to standard capitalization for proper names. Capitalization is a minor change, which the submitter permits.

Sadb is a feminine Irish given name. The article "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Sadb / Sadhbh" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) at http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Sadb.shtml attests this spelling in multiple instances from 1048 through 1447. The majority of these are followed by a patronymic using the marker ingen; the 1048 instance of Sadb ingen Briain shows the exact pattern of this name.

ingen Aedáin is a feminine Irish patronymic byname. The article "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Áedán" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) at http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Aedan.shtml attests a single instance of a masculine patronymic using this spelling exactly as submitted: Echdach Buide m. Aedáin from 631. There are also later instances as a given name: Aedáin m. h-ui Raichlich, abb Lis Móir from 814, and Aedáin, abb Inse Cathaig from 863. As feminine Irish patronymics formed from given names that start with vowels do not lenite, that should make the exact submitted spelling possible.


Lucius Cassius Marius - Device resubmission to kingdom (Feb. 2012)

Argent fretty sable, overall a trident head vert.
While converting from grillage to fretty avoids the identification issues which resulted in the return of the original design, unfortunately it does so at the cost of conflict. Versus the device of Matti Turkulainen (Aug. 1986 Caid) Argent fretty sable, a pike naiant vert under either the RFS or SENA there is just one point of difference (formerly a CD, now a DC) for changing the type of the overall charge. (Fretty is still equivalent to a fret and therefore the primary charge in both designs.)

Sadb ingen Aedáin - New device

Sable, a female centaur passant regardant maintaining a spear between three estoiles argent.
While a striking work of art, the centauress is not really in an heraldic posture. Both her torso and head are seen at distinct angles, termed "trian aspect" and long forbidden for use in SCA heraldry save for those charges so drawn in period armory. For a standard quadruped, regardant turns only the head - both the body and head are seen in full profile, with the head turned 180 degrees to face the tail. For a centaur, it may be possible to show the torso facing forward with the head given an additional quarter turn, but again the head would be in full profile facing the tail of the horse body. This would give a somewhat more realistic impression than merely turning the head 180 degrees at the neck.

We found no other reasons for return. The submitter's artist was informed of the issue before the meeting, but as no replacement forms were provided we were unable to send the submission on.

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