Minutes of the November, 2010 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held on Saturday, 13 November 2010, at Collegium Occidentalis in Santa Cruz, CA. The meeting started at 3:45PM and ended at 5:10PM. In attendance at this meeting were: Owen ap Morgan, Matins; Moira O’Connor, Vesper; Na'arah bat Avraham, Banner; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Brachet; Eilis O’Byrne, Baldric; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Gillian Trenowyth, Seawolf; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, Exchequer; Frederick of Holland, PaL; and clients Myfanwy verch Ieuan, Rhieinwylydd verch Aythan, and Wolff von Aichhalden. Krysta MacIntyre appeared in a featured role as "Vanna".

The final meeting of 2010 will be December 12 (yes, we ARE holding a December meeting.) The first meeting in 2011 will be January 9, 2011 at 12th Night. We hope to have calendar information at the December meeting so that we can schedule the rest of 2011. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.

PLEASE NOTE: Unless and until specified otherwise, the regular meetings are now taking place in Stockton at the home of Owen ap Morgan, Matins Herald:

2023 Oak Branch Dr
Stockton, CA 95205
(209) 463-6861 (message)
Contact Owen for directions. The drive is approximately an hour from Sacramento and an hour and a half from either Berkeley or San Jose via Livermore.

Walk-in submissions are generally permitted but not encouraged, as they do not allow for advance review and prep work.. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be pulled or set up. For meetings not held in Stockton (Collegium, 12th Night, etc.) sufficient advance notice to pull any existing file will be required.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.



Moira, Vesper – Ketiley officially becomes Banner today. Thanks to Nara’ah for her years of service in this position.

Anne, Green Cloak – No report.

Na’arah, Banner – Working on outreach with new baronial heralds. Similar concerns, so starting court heraldry Yahoo group for mutual assistance. Has deputy, Ketiley.

Eilis, Baldric – Qualified success for heraldry classes/consultation at the Collegium. This coming year, we may try to do training for local heralds at Principality collegia.

Owen, Matins – No meeting was held in October, because no submissions were received.

Astrið, Latimer – East Bay Brachet is now meeting Wednesday nights in Walnut Creek, CA. Next year the Consultation Table will be at Kingdom Tourneys. If possible, the Consultation Table will also be at Coronet Tourneys.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet – Up-to-date on commenting. Occasionally getting new participants. Weekly attendance is not required.

Hirsch, Golem – Herald’s site on-going. Awards site is happening, so awards list is mostly up-to-date.

Gillian, Seawolf – Ample volunteers and trainees at Mists Coronet.

Zaid, Sable Swan – No report. Cynagua Coronet occurred.

Clare, Stellanordica – No report.


Fall Collegium - pending


VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held most Mondays at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym (Brachet) for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. These meetings have changed location and are now in Walnut Creek on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Latimer Herald, Astrið of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.


Cover letter

From Wreath: Documented Exceptions, Armory Documentation, and Core Style (Oh my!)

This month two submissions were discussed which violated sections of the Rules for Submission, part VIII, Compatible Armorial Style; both requested consideration under RfS VIII.6. Documented Exceptions as Regional Style and provided documentation towards such consideration. Both submissions generated a significant amount of commentary, much of it focused on whether or not the documentation provided was sufficient to grant the Regional Style exception. As expectations regarding the standards for documentation for armory in general have varied (and at times been self-contradictory) and what little written policy that has existed has been vague, the time has come to clarify these standards further.

The number of examples required for the registration of documented exceptions under general and regional style has varied widely. One oft-quoted precedent from November 1993 cites "at least a dozen" examples for a general exception, but the addition of the regional style rules in 1995 left the required level of support unclear. The February 2001 registration of Gules, a bear passant sable was registered under the General Exceptions category, with "over eight unrelated examples of Gules a [complex charge] sable in several different geographical areas, plus other similar examples of black charges on red fields." In January 2009, four examples allowed the registration of a brown complex charge on a blue field as a German regional exception. The necessary number of examples needs to be clarified.

Over the last eighteen years, the Society and the College of Arms have expanded both their interests and the knowledge of period practices. While our heraldic rules allegedly have a goal of encouraging "core" heraldic style, a significant number of people in the Society have an interest in creating armory which is both period and does not neatly fit into that "core", 1400s English, style of heraldry, whether that period is a geographical location (Hungary, Germany, Iberia, Japan, etc.) or a distinct heraldic time period (English Tudor-era). If our goal is study and education regarding period heraldry, as Corpora enjoins us to do, we should not be putting burdensome restrictions on people who wish to register period armory, whether it is "core" style or other period heraldic styles. The College of Arms, while urging Laurel towards period armory, seems inclined towards onerous restrictions on documented exceptions. To register exceptions, they call for excessive examples, go out of their way to dismiss examples, try to require documentation beyond that which the RfS requires (such as documenting the exact combination of multiple style violations), or requiring each submitter to redo the entirety of the work that others have done to document specific common regional styles every time they are submitted. At the same time, single examples are often used as reasons why submissions should not be registered or should conflict with other items. These standards are inconsistent internally and with our ostensible goal of education in period heraldry and historical heraldic usage.

At this time, we are clarifying the standards for armory documentation and for regional style exceptions, whether arguing for or against a particular heraldic practice, to the following:

"Independent examples" means that multiple examples from a single heraldic line (i.e., examples from a single family) will be counted as a single example.

An 'exact' practice does not have to include the submitted charge in the exact same situation, but should have charges of the same complexity. "A single black primary charge with a complex outline on a red background" is the type of pattern we would call an exact match. These patterns should share the tincture and level of complexity of the design, as well as the type and outline of the charge. A submission that is an exact match for the early pattern would only be a similar match for the patterns "a red complex-outline primary charge on a black background"(the tinctures match, but are swapped) or "multiple black complex primary charges on a red background".

This does not change standards for documenting charges new to SCA heraldry: a single example of the charge used in a period heraldic jurisdiction remains sufficient.

From Wreath: Detailing and Identifiability

A submission this month, that of Adria Kerrick, from Ealdormere, used a sable fox with a very small argent tail tip on a field which is lozengy purpure and argent. Commeters were unanimous that the fox was identifiable, even though the white tail tip was nearly entirely on an argent lozenge. Precedent, which has been consistent for quite some time, says this is not allowed:

A fox proper has an argent tail tip, and thus cannot be depicted on an argent field, by precedent:

This device is returned for lack of contrast: the tail of a fox proper has a white tip, which is argent on argent. [Kynwric Gwent, 05-2008, R-Meridies]

This device must, therefore, be returned. [Ingunn Halldorsdottir, March 2009, R-Æthelmearc]

This is one of those nit-picky details which gives heralds such a bad name. We decided to do some research, and it seems that period heralds were perfectly able to deal with no-contrast defining tinctures:

Harwick W. Arch. "Vigil Rabers Neustifter Wappenbuch", plate 27, has a lion head with an argent ear on an argent field. Plate 63 has Gules, a cock vert, beaked and footed Or, combed and wattled gules under the name Cristoff Gumpeler, which has the gules defining characteristics of a cock the same tincture as the field on which they lie. Plate 103 has the same armory, under the name Mayrhofen, except the cock is sable, and is shown with one leg raised. Siebmacher, plate 65, has a bird with an Or beak on an Or field and, plate 72, has a cock argent beaked and wattled gules on a gules field. There is also, plate 89, Or, a demi-lion rampant contourny sable crowned Or pierced through the head by a sword proper and plate 114, which has Argent, a ram passant contourny sable horned argent atop a trimount argent.

The precedent, therefore, is overturned. As long as the charge maintains its identifiability, minor details, even minor details which are identifying characteristics, may have no contrast with the underlying tinctures.

From Pelican: Some Name Resources (a series)

There is an enormous (and growing) number of resources online that can be useful to heralds and to submitters. Each month, I'm going to post information about some that I think might be useful. If I miss some interesting ones, let me know, because I don't know everything.

This month, I'm going to talk about the many uses of the Middle English Dictionary online (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/med/). The Middle English Dictionary is an online version of the print dictionary of the same name, published in 2001. Unlike the Oxford English Dictionary, it's free and doesn't require a subscription. It includes citations from 1066 until around 1500. That means that it can be used in place of the Oxford English Dictionary to document many common words.

The header forms are a little tricky to use, as they use Middle English spellings. Luckily, you can also search for spellings anywhere within the entry (including citations); to do this click on "Search the MED entries" rather than on "Lookups." The standard modern spelling of a word is normally used in the definition, so a search on the standard modern spelling will turn up the Middle English spelling (though it usually turns up lots of other hits too). Still, it's where I almost always find myself starting.

Many forms are directly dated with citations; turn on "with all open (or compact) display" to see the citations. However, all citations are definitely period, even if they're not clearly dated. The Middle English Dictionary often lists header forms that are not dated in individual citations; these spellings are also considered to date to the Middle English period.

One nifty feature of the Middle English Dictionary is that it includes byname and placename citations derived from words. Thus, it's sometimes very useful in looking at the forms (and spellings) for descriptive and locative bynames. We encourage people to use it for this and other purposes.

From Pelican: Counting Temporal Disparity and Steps from Period Practice

This month, a submission raised the issue of how we count temporal disparity when one or more name elements are dated to a period of time rather than to a precise date. The only fair way to do it is to judge in the favor of the submitter. Therefore, in general, when we can only date a name element to within a range of dates, we will treat the date of the element for the purposes of counting temporal compatibility in the manner which is most favorable to the submitter. In some cases, this will mean that elements that are probably very far apart can be registered together. But if we cannot be certain that the elements are more than 300 years apart, the submitter must be given the benefit of the doubt.

West Kingdom acceptances:

Abe Akirakeiko. Name change from Áine Sindradóttir.

Her previous name, Áine Sindradóttir, is retained as an alternate name.

Fiallarr gylðir. Name and device. Per chevron sable and gules, three axes bendwise sinister one and two argent and a wolf salient Or.

Submitted as Fiallarr Gylðir, precedent requires descriptive bynames in Old Norse to be registered in lowercase. We have made this change.

This name mixes Norwegian and Old Norse, which is a step from period practice. The given name is dated to after 1300, while the byname is taken from the Landnámabók, which focuses on the people who settled Iceland in the late 9th and early 10th centuries but includes later names as well. This creates the possibility of a second step from period practice, as there may be over 300 years between the dates for the name elements. However, there could also be significantly less. Given our inability to more clearly date the byname, we must give the submitter the benefit of the doubt and register this name.

In general, when we can only date a name element to within a range of dates, we will judge the date of the element in the manner which is most favorable to the submitter. In some cases, this will mean that elements that are probably very far apart can be registered together. But if we cannot demonstrate clearly that they are more than 300 years apart, the submitter must be given the benefit of the doubt.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the axes truly bendwise sinister, and not at an angle partway between bendwise sinister and palewise. This has been grounds for return in the past.

Joel the Brewer. Name and device. Per fess vert and Or, a cock close and two bulls combatant counterchanged.

Mairghread Dubh inghean Alasdair. Name and device. Purpure, in pale a Savoy knot and a fret couped argent.

The submitter requested authenticity for sixteenth century Scottish or Irish. This name meets that request.

This device is clear of the device of Gwenhwyfar of Ravenhill, Purpure, a fret and a chief argent. There is a CD for change of number of primary charges and a CD for the removal of the secondary chief.

The device does not fall afoul of our so-called "Sword and Dagger" restrictions. Frets and Savoy knots are not artistic variants of each other; they are entirely heraldically distinct.

Otto Spilman. Name and device. Per pale Or and sable, a chess rook counterchanged, on a chief embattled gules a harp between two stringless hunting horns reversed Or.

Please inform the submitter that the 'winged mermaid' depiction of the harp in the arms of Ireland did not come into use until well after period.

West Kingdom returns:



West Kingdom acceptances:

Altani of the West. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Or, in fess a flame gules between an increscent and a decrescent azure.

Submitted under the name Altani of Daidu.

Arthur Glendower. Reblazon of device. Or, between two lions combatant azure an altar sable flammant gules.

Blazoned when registered as Or, a flame gules above an altar sable between two lions combatant azure, the lions are the primary charges and the altar is a secondary charge.

Brant Marcksson. Name and device. Per bend sinister argent and vair, in dexter chief a cross couped vert.

The submitter requested the name Brant Marksson; commenters could not find that spelling of the byname. However, the submitter might want to know that Brant Markson is also registerable as a late-period English name.

This device is clear of the badge of Nikolai of Trakai, (Fieldless) A doubled cross vert. Crosses couped are in a different category than doubled crosses on the May 2009 Cover Letter. Therefore, there is X.2 difference between these two pieces of armory.

There was some question about the registerability of the vair portion of the field against the argent portion. While the ermine furs may not be abutted against a tincture which matches the background without a separating ordinary, the vair furs may be registered abutting a tincture which matches one of the tinctures used in the vair as long as identifiability is preserved.

Caitríona inghean ui Chionaodha. Badge. Per saltire azure and sable, a fret within and conjoined to a mascle argent.

Eskalya, Barony of. Badge. Per fess sable and Or, a sun between six mullets in annulo counterchanged.

Geoffrey of Canterbury. Name and device. Or, a dragon and a tyger rampant addorsed and on a chief gules three crosses patonce Or.

Grimr korni. Name.

The submitter expressed interest in a name sounding like "grimkorn;" he might want to know that an early Middle English Grim Corn (both found in Reaney and Wilson, s.nn. Grim, Corn) would be registerable as well.

Kedivor ap Madoc. Name.

Submitted as Cydifor Ap Madog, the name was changed at kingdom to meet the submitter's request for authenticity for 12th to 13th century Welsh. The form as it appears here is authentic for that time. The submitted form follows modern orthography and would not be found at that time.

Konrad von Luxemburg. Name.

The Letter of Intent did not present evidence that the byname spelling was period. Commenters were able to find the period spelling Lutzenburg and Luxembourg (both are found in the Braun & Hogenberg map of 1581-88). The submitted form is a reasonable interpolation between these documented forms.

Leonardo Phenix. Name.

Listed on the Letter of Intent as a resubmission, we could find no evidence of a previous submission. Moreover, the forms list it as a new submission. Please make sure summaries are complete and correct.

As documented, this name mixes Italian and English. However, Edelweiss was able to find evidence that the given name was used occasionally in sixteenth century England. Therefore, this name can be seen as entirely English.

Verica of Lighthaven. Name.

As documented, this mixes a given name from before 400 and a hypothetical placename that is not well documented. A place like Lighthaven could only be justified as a late period English placename, which would be unregisterable with a Roman-era given name.

Lighthaven can be constructed as a placename, derived either from the surname Light plus Haven or from the placename element Light- found in Lithclif, Lictheseles, Liththorne, Lighterich, and Lyghtwood, all from the Middle English Dictionary, s.v. light.

Verica can also be documented as a later name; Vera is found in Italy in 1427, and the diminutive Verica can be constructed from period patterns. The combination of Italian and English is a step from period practice.

Zanobia Fiorentini. Name change from Katherine ní Cheallaigh of Skye.

Submitted as Zanobia Fiorantini, no evidence was presented nor could any be found for the spelling Fiorantini. Therefore we have changed it to the documented Fiorentini in order to register the name.

Her previous name, Katherine ni Cheallaigh of Skye, is retained as an alternate name.

West Kingdom returns:
Altani of Daidu. Name.

The submitter documented the byname of Daidu as the Lingua Anglica form of a hypothetical Mongolian locative byname. Daidu is the Mongol version of the Chinese name, Dadu, given to the location which would later be known as Beijing. The Lingua Anglica rule allows a locative byname to be translated into an English form, but this rule requires that the standard modern English name of the location be used. This would allow the registration of Altani of Beijing, but not Altani of Daidu. A properly constructed Mongolian name could of course use Daidu.

Her armory is registered under the holding name Altani of the West.

West Kingdom pends:
Oliver of Southhampton. Name.

The forms say that the Society Name is Oliver of Southhampton but that the submitted name is Oliver de Montfort. The kingdom treated the first as the submission, but the documentation suggests that the latter is the submission. This is pended to find out the submitter's intent.

This was item 7 on the West letter of May 30, 2010.

West Kingdom errata:
Arthur Glendower. Name and device. Or, a flame gules above an altar sable between two lions combatant azure.

Listed on both the Letter of Intent and Letter of Acceptances and Returns as Arthur of Glendower, it has been listed in the O&A without the article. Checking the form, it was submitted without the article. Since no reason was given on the LoAR for the change, we are returning it to the submitted form.

In Service,
Owen ap Morgan
Matins Herald

SUBMISSIONS – 13 November, XLV (2010)


Celestria Textrix - New badge

Per chevron azure and vert, a mushroom erminois.

By rights, this should have been returned for administrative reasons. The submitter printed the form using a web browser print function, which shrank the image by about 10% to make room for its inserted header and footer. I am, however, feeling generous this month and redid the forms at regulation size myself so I could send this on.

Do NOT count on such generosity in the future.

Gavin Woodward - New name and device

Azure, two chevronels braced and on a chief wavy argent, three spruce trees proper.

Gavin is an English masculine given name. The article "Concerning the Names Gavin, Gawaine, Gavan, and Gabhainn" (2nd ed.) by Josh Mittleman, online at http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/gavin.shtml, cites this spelling in English from 1604 (within the gray area) and in Scots from 1477 and 1577.

Woodward is an English byname. Bardsley (s.n. Woodward) cites a "'John Keeper, or Woodward, of Buckholt-wood' 31 Hen. VIII: Rudder's Gloucestershire, pp. 140-1."

The submitted device forms were printed using a web browser print function, and thus unacceptably small. As with Celestria supra, I have chosen to be generous here and redid the forms.

Katherine d'Aquitaine - Device resub to Laurel (Sept. 2009 LOAR)

Per pale gules and sable, a griffin contourny and a bordure rayonny Or.

The original submission was returned with the following explanation:

The device must be returned for redrawing of the bordure. While it was blazoned on the Letter of Intent as rayonny, the repeats are drawn in a fashion that is not clearly rayonny, indented, or wavy-crested. The repeats on this emblazon vary between rayonny, indented, and a shape which is neither. Rayonny repeats should be more markedly curved than most seen here, indented repeats should be triangular with straight sides, and wavy-crested is a line of division which significantly post-dates 1600 and thus is not acceptable for SCA use. In addition, the repeats are too small and numerous to be registered.
The bordure has been redrawn in a fashion we feel is clearly rayonny. While there are still more repeats than would generally be found for other complex lines, the proportions of the rays require this if the bordure is not to extend so far into the field that it overwhelms the central charge.

Leonardo Phenix - Device resubmission to kingdom (Sept. 2010)

Argent, a chevron gules between three gryphons' heads vert.

Originally returned at kingdom in April 2010 for conflict with the device of Alyna of the Ilex (Sept. 2002, Calontir), Argent, a chevron throughout gules between three sprigs of holly vert, fructed gules, this was reconsidered in September after that lady gracioiusly provided permission to conflict. It was not until after that meeting that anyone noticed the forms had been printed too small.

While this was not covered at the November meeting, the forms have been redrawn at regulation size, and I see no reason to delay sending it on.

The submitter blazoned the heads as "beaked Or and langued gules"; I have omitted these artistic details.

Mari inghean Chúáin - New name and device

Argent, an eagle rising, wings displayed, gules and on a chief vert three roses Or.

Submitted as Mari inghean Cúán, we have made the necessary (and permitted) changes to put the patronymic in genitive case and lenite it. Unfortunately, this may not be enough.

Mari is a feminine given name cited once from 1435 in the article "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Máire" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien), found at http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Maire.shtml. The article notes that this reference is to a woman of Anglo-Norman descent.

Cúáin is the genitive form of the masculine given name Cúán, as reported in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Cúán" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien), found at http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cuan.shtml. OC&M cites "Cúán ua Lóthcháin" from 1024 as the only dated example (corresponding to the latest entry in the Annals article), but also notes a "St. Cúán of Wexford". In a feminine patronymic this takes the lenited form Chúáin.

The submitter is willing to accept the spelling ingen for the patronymic marker if necessary, but will not accept any change to the given name Mari for "personal reasons". We realize that there are potentially at least two steps from period practice in the name (the temporal disparity between the dated instances and the combination of the name of a woman of Anglo-Norman descent with a Gaelic patronymic.) I don't know what effect, if any, the saint's name allowance has on this. The name has been sent on because I'm not certain it won't pass, but it may need additional support I don't know how to provide.

Myfanwy verch Ieuan - New name and device

Argent, a dragon passant and on a chief indented purpure, three compass stars argent.

Myfanwy is the standard modern spelling of a period Welsh feminine given name. Academy of Saint Gabriel report #2481 ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2481+0 ) cites Mevanwy as a spelling used in the 13-14th C, while Saint Gabriel report #2311 ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2311+0 ) states that Mevanwy "is a reasonable 12th-13th century Welsh spelling" and hypothesizes that Myvanwy is also plausible "since 'e' was frequently used to represent the sound of Welsh 'y'". Further, in registering the name Myfanwy Afrwydd (July 2005 LOAR, A-Meridies) Laurel states that "the submitted spelling is not inconsistent with late period".

verch is one form of the Welsh feminine patronymic marker.

Ieuan is a Welsh masculine given name. This spelling is attested in "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (Heather Rose Jones), found at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/welsh13.html as well as "A Simple Guide to Constructing 16th Century Welsh Names (in English Contexts)" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (Heather Rose Jones), found at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/welsh16.html . The construction of a given name plus a patronymic byname using verch is likewise supported by both articles.

The device needed to be changed from the original submission due to a conflict missed in consultation. This is the version the submitter chose to proceed with.

Rhieinwylydd verch Aythan - New name and device

Purpure, on a lozenge argent a leaf vert, a chief argent.

Rhieinwylydd is possibly a Welsh feminine given name. The article "Concerning the Names Rhiannon, Rhian, and the Like" by Josh Mittleman and Heather Rose Jones, found at http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/rhiannon.shtml , states that "Rhieinwylydd may have been used in 12th century Wales", though it also notes that the actual form in the manuscript justifying this assertion is Rieingulid.

verch is a form of the Welsh feminine patronymic marker.

Aythan is an Anglicized form of a Welsh borrowing of the Gaelic given name Áedán. Academy of Saint Gabriel report #2369 ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2369+0 ) states that "The spelling 'Aythan' appears in documents written in Wales in 1256 and 1326".

We noted the device of Juliane Hebert (Oct. 1998 Middle), Azure, on a lozenge argent an acorn inverted slipped and leaved vert, a chief argent, but expect it is clear with a CD for the field and another for the difference between the tertiaries.

Sedania de Corwyn - New device change

Per fess Or and vert, two ravens sable and a griffin Or.

Her old device, Vert, on a fess between three thistles Or, a griffin statant sable., is to be retained as a badge.

Wolff von Aichhalden - New name and device

Azure, three ermine spots Or and on a chief triangular argent a compass star gules.

Wolff is a German masculine given name. The article "German Names from Rottweil, Baden-Württemberg, 1441" by Sara L. Uckelman, found at http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweil1441.html , cites a single instance of this spelling.

von Aichhalden is a German byname. The same article, albeit on a different web page at http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweilsur.html , cites a single instance of this spelling s.n. Aichhalden.


Ulrich von Bergenden - New name and device NOT PAID

Argent, a seahorse and a chief embattled gules.

This is returned for multiple administrative causes. First, the envelope arrived with postage due. Second, on obtaining it I found that no payment was included for the submissions. Additionally, the device forms were colored using wax crayon. No action will be taken unless and until each of these has been remedied. This does not qualify for free resubmission, never having been paid for in the first place.

In resubmitting, please note that a seahorse is typically drawn with both forelegs visible, and ending in fins rather than hooves.

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