Minutes of the May, 2010 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 23 May 2010, in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:42 am and ended at 01:30 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Anne FitzRichard, Greencloak; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, Eilis O’Byrne, Frederick of Holland, Pursuivants, Felix Macavity, and Astrið of Swansvale, Matins.

The meeting schedule in July 11, August 22, September 26, October 24, November 13 (Saturday at Collegium Occidentalis), December 12 2010. The first meeting in 2011 will be January 9, 2011. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.

The July meeting will be held at a library in Sacramento – yet to be determined. Check the West Kingdom Herald’s website for information. In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.



Vigdis, Vesper- Will step down in June.

Moira, Compline - Will become Vesper in June. There will be a change of Sable Swan at Spring Coronet.

Anne, Green Cloak Herald – Beltane went well.

Nara’ah, Banner- No report.

Wilhelm, Baldric- No report.

Astrið, Matins – Matins submissions have been made. We are planning a workshop on Saturday, June 26 with several heralds to catch up on the arrears of minutes and return letters.

Owen, Latimer- Consultation Table was at Mists Coronet. Thanks to all of those who helped out.

Consultation Table in 2010 was scheduled for two Spring Coronets and March Crown. The only other scheduled event for the Consultation Table is Collegium Occidentalis – full service consultation where submissions will be accepted at the table, on-line resources, photocopiers, artists. Special appearances on a limited basis – contact Latimer as far in advance as possible so that arrangements can be made.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet- Several people at each meeting, working on the April letters.

Hirsch, Golem-no report.

Marguerite, Seawolf – Assumed the Seawolf Herald office in mid-March after life-foo afflicted my predecessor Muriel. Gillian (currently Princess of the Mists) will take over the office after her stepping down on 5/22.

Recruiting new heralds and training them up needs to be a priority for the office, as volunteers at events are dangerously few. I could not have run 4 fields at Coronet for lack of people, and had to go about asking folks if they could *pleeeease* field herald to get the 6-7 volunteers I had. Very disturbing! Of course, I throw this out there for action, but can't really do much about recruiting/training myself, cause I'm on full-time-2-kid-duty at events these days. What can we do as a college to make heralding a job that folks want to come and volunteer at?

Update on the the Mists populace badge [summarized]: Several years ago a poll was taken of the Mists populace, and a design chosen that unfortunately conflicts with someone's device who resides in Ansteorra. Contact has finally been made with this gentle and we are awaiting arrival of his written permission to conflict. The badge awaiting re-submittal is: Argent, a seawolf vert within a bordure engrailed azure.

Elysant, Sable Swan – no report. The office is changing.

Clare, Stella Nordica – no report.


From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

Fall Collegium - pending

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Gretchen Lebednik / 2322 Russell St / Berkeley CA 94705).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Matins Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

West -- JANUARY 2010


Caol Fhionn inghean ui Neill. Name.
Listed on the LoI as Cáelainn ingen uí Néill, the name was originally submitted as Caoilfionn inghean ui Niall and changed in kingdom so that the name used consistently early-period spellings.

While some of the changes made in kingdom are necessary for registration, not all of them are. Cáelainn is the standardized Middle Irish form of the saint's name, but since the saint was also known and venerated in the Early Modern Irish era, her name is registerable in an Early Modern Irish form. The two standardized Early Modern Irish spellings of the name are Caol Fhionn and Caolainn. Of these, Caol Fhionn is closest to the originally submitted form of the name. Similarly, the byname is also registerable in its Early Modern Irish spelling, i.e., inghean ui Neill. (The kingdom's change of nominative Niall to genitive Neill was correct). Since the name Caol Fhionn inghean ui Neill is registerable, and closer to the originally submitted form of the name, we have changed the name to that form.

Marynel of Darkhaven. Reblazon of device.
Purpure, a dragon salient Or, its neck embowed around a cinquefoil argent.

Blazoned when registered, in January 1973, as Purpure, a dragon salient Or, its neck embowed about an edelweiss proper, the flower is not an edelweiss and it is entirely argent.

Morgann Mac Eóin. Name and device.
Or, on a pile doubly cotised sable, a sword inverted Or.

This device is clear of the device of Duncan Arthur Ross the Black, Or, on a pile sable a claymore inverted Or, a bordure counterchanged. There is a CD for the change of type of secondary charge and a CD for the change of number of secondary charges.

Yolanda del Campo de Cerdana. Reblazon of badge.
Counter-ermine, in fess a minaret and a dome conjoined at their bases argent illumined Or.

Blazoned when registered, in August 1979, as Counter-ermine, a minaret and dome argent, illumined Or, this is the defining instance of a 'minaret' as a stand-alone charge. Later registrations have treated the minaret as a separate charge from the dome, not as a single charge. However, as both are charges in their own right, and a minaret is not granted difference from a tower, we are reblazoning them as separate charges.



West –– FEBRUARY 2010


Gabrielle de l'Ambrosia. Reblazon of device.
Vert, a Bengal tiger's head erased close reversed argent marked sable, in sinister canton a lozenge concave argent.

Blazoned when registered, in July of 1980, as Vert, a tiger's head erased close reversed proper, in sinister canton a lozenge concave argent. [Pantera tigres altaica], the Pantera tigres altaica is a darker variant of the usual orange tiger. Gabrielle's tiger is white with black markings.

Hallbi{o,}rn Erlændar son. Device.
Per chevron vert crusilly Or and Or.

Nice device!

Loy Schiemann der Kleine. Device.
Per pale argent and sable, two crosses formy fitchy counterchanged.

Nice device!

Magdalina Georg'eva Oshitkovna Ochakovicha. Name.
Listed on the LoI as Magdalina Georg'eva Oshitkova Ochakovicha, this name was submitted as Magdalina Georg'eva Oshitkanova Oshakavichka, no documentation was presented and none was found for the form Oshitkanova which the LoI cited as an undocumented patronymic from the masculine given name Oshitka. Documentation was found for Oshitkina and Oshitkovna as patronymic forms based on Oshitka. The patronymic Oshitkova listed on the LoI derives from a different given name Oshitok and so is unrelated to the originally submitted byname.

We have changed the byname to Oshitkovna as this patronymic is the closer documented forms to the originally submitted form.

The submitter requested authenticity for Russian. While we have examples of complex feminine bynames in late period Russian, we have no examples that follow exactly the pattern of this submitted name. Therefore we are unable to confirm that the name is authentic for late period Russian, though it seems likely.



In Service,

Astrith of Swansvale
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 23 May, XLIII (2010)


Brant Marcksson – New Name and Device.

Per bend sinister argent and vair, in dexter chief a cross vert

Submitted as Brant Marksson. Submitter suggested this as a variant of "Brand" as listed in Yonge. Submitter is willing to accept <Brand> or <Brandt>.

We were unable to document Brant, Brand, or Brandt to go with Marksson. However, we can document <Brant> and a variation of <Marksson> for Danish.

Brant: Knudsen, Gunnar and Marius Kristensen. 1936-1940. Danmarks gamle personnavne, Vol A-K. Copehagen: 1 Kommission Hos G.E.C. Gads Forlag.

Column 158 under header Brand. Brant Sywerts, 1516.

Marksson: Marcks

Knudsen, Gunnar and Marius Kristensen. 1936-1940. Danmarks gamle personnavne, Vol 1 Fornavne, Part 2. Copehagen: 1 Kommission Hos G.E.C. Gads Forlag.

Columns 915-916 under header Marke: <Jens Marckess:> from 1454 and <Heyn Marcks:> from 1493 both include the terminal <-s:> which the preface says represents either <-sun>, <-son>, or <-søn>. It gives no clear indication (to a non-Danish reader) how to distinguish which form is being represented in any specific citation; possibly they are effectively interchangeable.

Thus we possibly have documentation for <Marckesson> in 1454 and <Marckson> in 1493, so <Marcksson> seems plausible for around that time period. The <-c->, however, is ubiquitous in this source, so we have changed the spelling to <Brant Marcksson>.

Caitriona inghean ui Chionaodha – New Badge

Per saltire azure and sable, a fret within and conjoined to a mascle argent.
Blazoned by the submitter as "Per saltire azure and sable, a fret conjoined within a mascle argent". We have revised it to the more usual structure.

Kedivor ap Madoc – New Name

Submitted as Cydifor Ap Madog and documented from "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names", by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html].

That article uses the submitted forms as headers, but those are not the documented medieval forms. Because the submitter requested authenticity for 12-13th century Welsh and allows both minor and major changes, we have changed the spelling of the name to the medieval forms shown in that article and used lowercase for the "ap" as shown in that article.




Knudsen, Gunnar and Marius Kristensen. 1936-1940. Danmarks gamle personnavne, Vol 1 Fornavne, Part 2. Copehagen: 1 Kommission Hos G.E.C. Gads Forlag.

Jones, Heather Rose (Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn). A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names. [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html]

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