Minutes of the July, 2010 Heralds Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 11 July XLV (2010)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 11 July 2010, in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:42 am and ended at 03:30 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Owen ap Morgan, Matins; Moira O’Connor, Vesper; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Na'arah bat Avraham, Banner; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Brachet; Eilis O’Byrne, Baldric; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, Exchequer; Krysta MacIntyre, Clerk; Jared of Castlewood, Pinnacle; Felix MacAvady, Kates; Frederick of Holland, PaL; and Loy Schiemann der Kleine.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The meeting schedule is August 22, September 26, October 24, November 13 (Saturday at Collegium Occidentalis), December 12 2010. The first meeting in 2011 will be January 9, 2011. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.

The August 22 meeting will be held at Eilis’ house 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705 (510-486-0633 - call for directions).

PLEASE NOTE: Starting with the September 26, 2010 meeting and continuing until announced otherwise, the regular meetings will ordinarily take place in Stockton at the home of Owen ap Morgan, now Matins Herald:

2023 Oak Branch Dr
Stockton, CA 95205
(209) 463-6861 (message)
Contact Owen for directions. The drive is approximately an hour from Sacramento and an hour and a half from either Berkeley or San Jose via Livermore.

Walk-in submissions are generally permitted but not encouraged, as they do not allow for advance review and prep work.. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be pulled or set up. For meetings not held in Stockton (Collegium, 12th Night, etc.) sufficient advance notice to pull any existing file will be required.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

PERSONNEL -- RECENT CHANGES AND POSITIONS AVAILABLE:


REPORTS

Moira, Vesper- The College is now up to date on publishing the minutes of the monthly meetings. Roster letters have been sent out to most heralds and 2/3rds have been responded to. The College has received the donation of a computer.

Anne, Green Cloak Herald – June Crown went well, plenty of heralds, not a lot of training was done.

Na’arah, Banner- Working on outreach for ceremonies for groups. Getting ceremony book from Westermark to work on their ceremonies. Will be herald-in-charge at Westermark Madness. Working with several new court heralds. Court happened at the Kingdom Arts and Sciences Tourney.

Eilis, Baldric- Trip to Alaska soon. Have been discussing heraldic training with Vesper. Will probably discontinue heraldic collegia and instead go to one Kingdom or Principality per year. Have sent query to populace about what classes in heraldry for the general populace people would like to have.

Owen, Matins – The backlog workshop was held as scheduled in June, and has caught us up on submissions-related material save for people unreachable by e-mail. The process should be complete by the end of July. Laurel decisions have been published for all West Kingdom submissions through Oct. 2009; our Nov. 2009 LOI decisions will appear on the April 2010 LOAR, our Jan. 2010 LOI decisions will appear on the June 2010 LOAR, our Mar. 2010 LOI is being ruled on this month, and our May LOIs (covering the Apr. and May 2010 meetings) will be ruled on in Aug. 2010.

Astrið, Latimer- Changed jobs with new Matins. No recent consultation tables. Still doing clerical work for Matins.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet- Meeting Monday nights.

Hirsch, Golem- No report at the meeting. Senior heralds are encouraged to make use of the West Kingdom Heralds web page "Words From . . ." links to keep the College informed of important information.

Gillian, Seawolf – Assumed the Seawolf Herald office at the end of May.

Zaid, Sable Swan – Investiture happened in July and went well. The ceremony book has been updated and should be posted soon.

Clare, Stellanordica – No report.


ANNOUNCEMENTS

From Matins Herald:

1. LINE OUTLINES: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form. The requirement is for a black line outline on a white background.

2. COLORED COPIES: For over three years, the reverse side of armory forms handed out by the West Kingdom consultation table has included the caution "DO NOT USE COLORED PENCIL, PASTELS, CRAYONS, COLOR PRINTERS OR COLOR COPIERS; these have problems which make them unsuitable. FELT-TIP MARKERS ARE RECOMMENDED, notably Crayola “classic colors”. In spite of this, half the armory submissions considered at the July 2010 meeting were either color printouts or color photocopies, showing an unfortunate range of color values. FOR NOW Matins is dealing with this by printing out the line outline form and recoloring them himself in an attempt to avoid adding to the bad PR the college has been getting from its delays in processing.

It is possible that some color printers and copiers produce results equal in quality to hand-coloring with felt-tip markers. It is certain that many do not. The color quality is often poor, and may not be durable. Laurel has received submissions of color printouts and/or copies where the colors changed in the few months between submission and the Laurel decision meeting. If you choose to send in your armory submissions as color printouts or copies, at the very least you do so AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Remember that the picture is what gets protected. When Laurel rules on conflict, it may be based on a picture 30+ years old. If some color printouts/copies can't even last six months, what will yours look like decades in the future? We're not doing this arbitrarily - we want to be confident that what we protect later will look the same as it does now. For color printouts and copies, that confidence is lacking.

3. NUMBER OF COPIES: First, ignore what is printed on the armory forms. For name submissions, we need two copies of each piece of paper, including the form and any required documentation. For device and badge submissions, we need three (not four) colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. According to the Mar. 2010 LOAR cover letter, we also require three (not just two) copies of any additional paperwork for armory submissions. This includes things like letters of permission to conflict, petitions for branch armory, etc.

4. FEES: The fee for heraldic submissions in the West is $6 per new item. Names, devices, and badges are each separate items; if you submit a name, device, and badge together then you owe for three items. We do offer a discount when a name and a device to go with that name are submitted together (i.e., mailed in the same envelope): In this case, we charge just $10 total for the two items (rather than $12 counted separately.)

Resubmissions are free in the West. Period. It doesn't matter how long it's been, how many tries you've made, or even where you lived when you sent in the first try. If you paid for a submission and nothing has yet been registered, there is no charge to try again. Some other actions not involving new registrations are also free - if you're not sure, ask.

5. ADDRESS CHANGE: The preferred address to which all West Kingdom heraldic submissions should be mailed is now

Earl Jones
ATTN: MATINS HERALD
2023 Oak Branch Dr
Stockton, CA 95205

6. OTHER: The artist's signature is required on all armory submissions because of concern the SCA Board of Directors has about copyright. The submitter's signature is not required on any submission.

Please make sure that your personal information on forms is clearly legible. If you get your forms from the West Kingdom heraldry page, please note that you can type the text information directly into the PDF form before you print it out. A single mistaken letter makes an e-mail address useless.

The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. As noted, these PDF forms are set up so that you can type text in and mark check boxes before you print the form.

Make CERTAIN you print armory forms full-size. If the emblazon (picture) of the armory is too small, it WILL be returned. Please note that if you print the form using a web browser print function, it may reduce the image in order to add a header and footer. DON'T. Either download the form and print it with Acrobat Reader, or use the print function in the Acrobat plug-in (found at the top left of the web page image.)

Documentation for names (and in some cases, armory) can come from a wide range of sources, many of which are not widely available (or, in the case of web pages, may become so abruptly.) For this reason, we require copies of documentation to be submitted along with your form UNLESS the source is officially excluded from this requirement.

For books and other printed matter, you need a copy of the title page and the page(s) containing the information you're using.

For web pages, you need a printout of the section of the page you're using - NOT generally the whole thing - plus the URL location of the page and the date on which you printed it. Your browser may print the latter information automatically in a header and/or footer.

The list of sources which do NOT require copies is found at: http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/admin.html#APPENDIXH. Note that this includes:

- All the articles hosted at http://heraldry.sca.org (but this must be part of the URL to qualify.) If you find an article through an SCA heraldry link, check to see if it's been copied here. If so, cite the version on the SCA heraldry page.

- All the reports written by the Academy of St. Gabriel and hosted in their archive at http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi. Note this does NOT include all the articles linked from the St. Gabriel page - only the reports.

From Greencloak:

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

UPCOMING EVENTS
Fall Collegium - pending

GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held most Mondays at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym (Brachet) for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

EAST BAY COMMENTING MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. These meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Latimer Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.


EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR

The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

West -- MARCH 2010

Acceptances

Joyesse de Wolfe of Cath Mawr. Reblazon of device. Argent, a lion sejant erect coward guardant contourny gules seated upon a maintained rock sable and playing a maintained viol vert with a bow sable.

Blazoned when registered as Argent, a lion counter-sejant erect coward gardant gules seated upon a stone sable and playing a viol vert with a bow sable, the stone and instrument are both maintained charges.

Returns

None.

In Service,

Owen ap Morgan
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 23 May, XLIII (2010)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Aminah al-Zahara - New Name and Device

Azure, on a fess Or between two crescents argent, three mullets gules.

Submitted as Aminah al-Zahara, thought by the submitter (according to private e-mail) to mean "Aminah of the Sahara", this has been modified in an attempt to construct correct Arabic for "Aminah of Zahara".

Aminah is listed as a feminine ism in the article "PERIOD ARABIC NAMES AND NAMING PRACTICES" by Da'ud ibn Auda (David B. Appleton), found at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm (a no-copy source.)

al-Zahariyyah is a constructed feminine nisba meaning "of the town of Zahara". Zahara is the name of several towns in Spain according to Academy of St. Gabriel report #3069, footnotes [1], [5], and [6], found at http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?3069+0 (also a no-copy source.) At least one of those towns is dated to period; footnote [5] refers to the seizure of Zahara in 1481.

Da'ud's article (cited above) suggests that a geographic masculine nisba is formed by adding a terminal "-i" to a place name ending in a consonant, or converting the terminal vowel to "-i" when the place name ends in a vowel, then using the prefix "al-"; thus Zahara would seem to form the nisba "al-Zahari". Da'ud also states that a masculine nisba can generally be feminized by changing the terminal "-i" to "-iyyah", so we hypothesize that "al-Zahariyyah" is the correct form for "woman of Zahara".


Aurora Komnene - Resub (to kingdom) Device

Azure, a griffin statant contourny, wings displayed, within an orle of ermine spots argent.

Name registered Nov. 2006 via the West. This is a resubmission of a Dec. 1996 kingdom return (under the name Rhodry ferch Arianwyn.)


Cera inigena Corbbi - Resub (to kingdom) Name and Device

Azure estoilly, a wolf's head erased argent.

Originally submitted in May 2009 as "Cera bec-Fáel inghean Corbbi", the name was returned at kingdom at that time for lack of documentation of the second element; the device had artistic issues, but was primarily returned because it could not be sent on without a name. The name was corrected on the forms at some point to "Cera bec-Fáel inigena Corbbi".

Submitted this time as Cera inghean Corbbi, we have substituted the Ogham inigena for linguistic consistency of the patronymic.

Cera is a hypothesized Ogham form of an Old Irish feminine given name. Academy of St. Gabriel report #2683 states

The name is the standard Old Irish form of a name of a woman recorded as living in the 7th century. [1] (The slash represents an acute accent over the previous letter). It is also the name of three early Irish saints. [5] This name is identical to an Old Irish word, and we have enough information about that word to hazard a guess that the equivalent Oghamic name would have been , pronounced \KAY-rah\ [2].
http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2683.txt (a no-copy source.)

inigena is Ogham for "daughter", according to the same St. Gabriel report #2683, which further indicates that when followed by the genitive form of an Ogham masculine given name this forms a feminine Ogham patronymic.

Corbbi is the genitive form of the Ogham masculine given name Corbbas, according to the article "Some Masculine Ogham Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (Heather Rose Jones), found at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/ogham/ogham.html (also a no-copy source.)

The device form was printed using a web browser print function, which reduced the image in size to add a header and footer and lost part of the right side. DO NOT DO THIS. In the interest of public relations, we redid the device forms at the correct size in order to send this on; such generosity is not guaranteed in the future.


Felix MacAvady - New Badge

Or, a Roman numeral 'I' sable within an orle of roundels vert, a bordure engrailed azure.

Name registered Apr. 1998 via the West.

We were uncertain of the best blazon to guarantee this particular representation of the 'I'.


Isolte le Quite - Resub Device

Per pale sable and gules, in pale two greyhounds courant contourny Or.

Name registered June 2008 via the West. An earlier device was returned by Laurel in Mar. 2009:

Isolte le Quite. Device. Quarterly azure and sable, in bend two hummingbirds displayed argent.

This device is returned for having two steps from period practice.
. . .
Therefore, hummingbirds displayed are two steps from period practice.
This is a modification of a complete redesign returned at kingdom for conflict.


Lucas Reinhelt - New Name and Device

Quarterly argent and vert, in bend two alphyns passant azure.
Lucas is a German masculine given name. Brechenmacher (a no-copy source), s.n. "Lukas", cites a "Lucas, Bürger zu Würzburg" from 1409.

Reinhelt is a German surname. Brechenmacher, s.n. "Reinheld", cites a "Joh. Reinhelt, Propst des Kl. Triefenstein" from 1481.

The alphyns resemble, but are not identical to, the most common rendition found in the sources I have available.


Madeleine de La Champagne - New Name (see Returns for device)

Madeleine is a feminine given name cited in the article "Sixteenth Century Norman Names" by Cateline de la Mor (Triste Elliot), found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/cateline/norman16.html (printout included.)

de La Champagne is a surname found in the same article cited above.


Scott of Golden Rivers - Device Change

Per pale azure, mullety Or, and sable, a unicorn's head erased contourny argent.

Holding name registered Dec. 1995 through the West. Unfortunately, this device change was mistakenly held back when the change of holding name which accompanied it was returned in March 2010, as they were misidentified as a new name and device. Even more unfortunately, it was not noted at the time that the device forms were printed in an unacceptably photo-reduced size. We have redone the forms in order that this can be sent on without further delay.


Üta Kathrina Felhamer - Resub (to kingdom) Device

Or, a harpy displayed gules, on a chief sable three crescents Or.

Name registered Mar. 2009 via the West. The device is a redesign from an earlier version returned at kingdom.


William Wayder - New Name and Device

Azure, three annulets linked two and one argent, in chief three quatrefoils Or.

The submitter provided no documentation for the given name, and supported the byname with a four-page printout from a web page whose URL was not provided. In the interests of saving paper, we substitute the following:

William is an English masculine given name. Reaney & Wilson (a no-copy source), s.n. William, cite "Rauf le fuiz William" from 1299 and "Henry Fitz William" from 1300.

Wayder is an English surname. Reaney & Wilson, s.n. Wader, cite "Thorald de Cawston le Wader" from 1290, "le Weyder" from 1293, and "Robert de Merthone, wayder" from 1276. The submitted version seems a reasonable interpolation from these.

The armory form was redone to avoid the submission of color printouts and to remove the excessively heavy outlining of the annulets (possibly an artifact of pixellation from scaling up a small clip-art image.)


ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Madeleine de la Champagne - New Device

Per saltire purpure and azure, a peacock in his pride argent.

This conflicts with the device of Jumanah bint Nur al-Zarqa' (Feb. 2004 Atlantia), Per bend Or and vert, a peacock in his pride argent. There is only one CD for changing the field.

People also expressed concern about the identifiability of the peacock, given the tapering of its lower tail feathers and the lack of legs and feet, so that the outer edge resembles a ragged circle. Please draw the peacock with equal-length tail feathers forming roughly a semicircle, and with the lower body, legs, and feet showing beneath the tail.


Mechtels Nadler - New Name and Device

Quarterly argent and gules, all crusilly formy, a bordure quarterly gules and argent.

"Mechtels" is cited in Bahlow as a family name, not a given name. (The introduction gives the meaning of the "FN" code attached to it.) As the submitter included no name forms, we do not feel free to suppose that she will accept changes of any kind.

The device must be returned in any case because it cannot be sent on without a name. This arrangement of the strewn crosses (crossing the line of division, and overlapping with the like-tinctured bordure) is visually confusing and should be avoided when resubmitting.


Shielded Harbor, Port of - New Name and Device

Per fess gules and azure fimbriated, in chief a laurel wreath, in base a ship between five escutcheons, two, two, and one, Or.

No documentation was provided for the name, nor could we find any. While there are modern English place names containing "shield", the attested root for those we could find was a noun meaning "hovel". This does not lend itself to use of the adjectival "shielded". Neither could we find instances of "harbor" in period English place names. An alternative which has been used is "haven". Please note that both "harbor" and "haven" inherently imply a certain degree of protection, making "shielded harbor" somewhat redundant.

Fimbriation of a field division is not allowed; a fess embattled-counterembattled would have quite a different appearance. While the dividing line bears some resemblance to a lightning bolt fesswise throughout, it lacks the triangular ends such would have. The arrangement of the charges in base does not quite match the blazon given, but we were unable to think of a better one. The ship and laurel wreath are lovely.

Only one copy of the petition in support of these submissions was included. Please note that under current Laurel requirements, we need three copies of a petition that includes a branch device. We also strongly suggest consulting with the College of Heralds so that the petition can include an accurate blazon in addition to the emblazon, and that the submitted device be the only arms represented on the petition (i.e., do not put the Baronial arms on your local group petition.)


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