Minutes of the September, 2009 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 20 September 2009, at the home of Eilis in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:47 pm and ended at 2:23 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Vigdís vestfirzka, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Elysant atten Oke, Sable Swan; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, Eilis O'Boirne, Pursuivants; Matilda FitzRichard of Lochaven, Pinnacle Pursuivant; Moira Greencloak; Wilhem von Homburg, Baldric; Gwynhyfaer ferch Gwilym, Brachet. and Astrið of Swansvale, Matins.

The meeting schedule in 2009 is October 18, November 15, and January 10, 2010. There will be no meeting in December, 2009. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.

Note that the October meeting will be held on Saturday, October 24, as a class at Collegium Occidentalis in Burlingame. The venue is the San Francisco Airport Doubletree.

The College of Heralds Collegium will be held on November 14, as a co-event with the Kingdom scribes.

The meeting schedule in 2010 is January 10, March 7, May 16, and June 27, 2010. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced. There will be no meeting in February or July, 2010. The date of the April 2010 meeting has not been determined yet.

Spring Heraldic Collegium will be held on Saturday, March 6, 2010.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.



Eilis, Vesper- Talk to current officers if you are interested in the position.

Moira, Green Cloak Herald- Purgatorio Coronation went well, as did Oerthan Coronet. October Crown is coming up. Need lots of volunteers.

Nara’ah, Banner- No report

Wilhelm, Baldric- Upcoming Collegium will be a joint venture with the Kingdom scribes.

Astrith, Matins – All LoIs have been posted. Working on minutes backlog

Owen, Latimer- Will need help in the future in take-down as well as putting up. Need to have help in take-down as well as set-up. Looking for people who are willing to make commitment to help with consultation table on a regular basis.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet- Commentary is up to date. Meetings have been held regularly. Next Monday (September 20) there will be no meeting. Looking for more volunteers and is prepared to train.

Hirsch, Golem- No report.

Gillian, Seawolf- No report.

Elysant, Sable Swan - Coronet is coming up. Sable Swan needs a deputy. Getting lots of volunteers at tournaments.

Clare, Stellanordica- No report.


From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

KWHSS 2009 will be held in The Barony of the Lonely Tower in the Kingdom of Calontir September 4-7, 2009. This is Omaha, Nebraska.

November 14 (Heraldic Collegium).

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Gretchen Lebednik / 2322 Russell St / Berkeley CA 94705).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Matins Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

May LoAR – Administrative Changes
From Pelican: No More SCA-Compatibility

On the May 2008 Cover Letter, we ruled:

Therefore, as of the May 2009 decisions meetings, we declare that no new name elements or name patterns will be ruled SCA-compatible, that all names previously ruled SCA-compatible are no longer SCA-compatible and that in order for them to be registered, documentation meeting the same standards as for non-SCA-compatible names will be required.

This ruling went into effect with this, the May 2009 Pelican meeting.

From Pelican: Color Terms in Order Names

On the November 2008 LoAR, two submissions were pended, the Order of the Azure Glove and the Order of the Sable Sleeve. Both of these concerned the issue of color terms in order names. The original LoI demonstrated that both sable and azure (or asure) can be found in English contexts which are not purely heraldic, and cited the following precedents in support of the registerability of these order names:

Hidden Mountain, Barony of. Award name Award of the Azure Cloud (see RETURNS for badge). In general, names of heraldic tinctures are not registerable as part of order names where the language is English, because we have no examples of such usage and because the names of most heraldic tinctures were not used as ordinary adjectives in English until the very end of the 16th C. Azure appears to be the exception. According to the OED, the noun azure, meaning "A bright blue pigment or dye; ellipt. a fabric dyed of this colour", dates to at least the late 14th C. Chaucer mentions a figure "Cloothed in Asure". This and the citations provided by the submitter are sufficient to give them the benefit of the doubt that azure (like crimson) is used as an ordinary color name and hence is registerable as part of an order name. [LoAR 06/2006, Atlantia-A]

However, the August 2005 Cover Letter discussing patterns of period order names gives a stricter criterion for the use of color terms in order names:

Argent Snail, in arguing for more generous interpretations of patterns notes, "since we know that there were period order names of the form color (including Gold/golden) object, any color object should be considered acceptable, and not one step from period practice, even if the submitted color was not used in a period order name." While we are unwilling to extend the interpretation of period order names to include any color (images of "Order of Dead Spaniard Lion" leap to mind--"dead spaniard" being a fabric color found in Elizabethan England), we are often far stricter in our interpretations concerning colors than we are of other patterns. Therefore, since heraldic objects may be found in any heraldic tincture, the ordinary color name for any heraldic tincture may be used as part of an order name when combined with a heraldic charge (which, if applied to the example above, gives us the "Order of the Green Lion," a perfectly ordinary name.) Following this pattern comes with no penalty; even if a particular color found in heraldry is not found in any order name, its use in an order name still follows the established pattern. This does not overturn the precedent disallowing the registration of Orders of the form heraldic tincture name + object in English, since we have no examples of English order names that use heraldic tincture names. So, for example, while the Order of the Green Lion would be held to follow demonstrated patterns, Order of the Lion Vert or Order of the Vert Lion would not...[Order names for heraldic charges] may contain the ordinary color names of any heraldic tincture.

As noted in the pend of this order name, the June 2006 precedent demonstrates that azure or asure was used as a color term in English, but it does not show that this term was the ordinary color term for blue, as required by the August 2005 precedent.

When faced with contradictory precedents, the best way to arbitrate between them is to look to period practice. Since both the 2005 and 2006 precedents were set, our knowledge of medieval names of orders has increased dramatically, due largely to Juliana de Luna's article "Medieval Secular Order Names". In the introduction of the article, Juliana notes nine order names (making up 6% of the data) which follow the pattern <color> + <charge>. These nine orders are from Germany, France, Italy, and Navarre, so while they are few they come from a broad area and so can be taken as representative. So, what color names are used in these order names?

Black: noir (French)

Blue: blauwen (German), blaen (German)

Gold(en): or (French), goldin (English), golden (English), aureus (Latin)

Green: vert (French)

Red: roden (German)

White: blanche (French), blanco (Spanish)

These examples show that it was not any color term that was used in medieval order names, but just the single, ordinary color term. On the basis of period usage, we are upholding the stricter reading of the August 2005 Cover Letter, which is in keeping with the examples of period order names that we currently have. Order names which follow the <color> + <charge> pattern must use the ordinary color term for a heraldic tincture appropriate for the language of the order name.

From Wreath: Crosses and Substantial Difference

Given the widespread support for the proposal, we are implementing Batonvert's proposal on crosses that appeared on the Cover Letter for the August 2008 LoAR. Substantial difference under X.2 will henceforth be granted between crosses appearing below that do not belong to the same family. The families are:

Plain crosses couped, including Latinate and humetty.

Crosses flory, floretty, patonce, clechy, Calatrava, and Santiago.

Crosses crosslet and bottony.

Crosses moline, sarcelly, recercelly, anchory, fourchy, and miller.

Crosses formy/paty. (see the note, below)

Crosses doubled, patriarchal, and Lorraine.

The cross potent/billety.

The Tau cross.

The cross of Calvary.

The cross of Toulouse.

The cross gringoly.

The cross pomelly/bourdonny.

The Maltese cross.

We note that, in period, the term paty could refer to crosses in the flory family. The formy/paty family is not intended to overlap these two groups, we are using the SCA blazon term.

Standard period variants of a particular style of cross will not be considered separate; no difference is granted for fitching, changing between equal-armed and Latinate, etc.

Substantial difference between crosses is not limited to the above list. It is, instead, intended to provide a set of guidelines on the most frequently seen crosses in heraldry. All rulings of substantial difference which are not addressed by the above list remain in force, as do all rulings on significant difference.

From Wreath: Sustained Charges

Da'ud ibn Auda, in September 1994, re-stated a precedent from Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme in the following manner:

Regarding the "significance" of the halberd, as Green Crown noted, a charge consisting mostly of a long skinny handle will always have difficulty matching the visual weight of other charges, but here the sizes of the charges are about the same as would be expected if they were in fess a bear and a halberd. That seems to be a reasonable rule of thumb for determining sustained (and qualifying for a CD), as opposed to maintained (and not qualifying for a CD), charges.

In the intervening years, this definition has been expanded to the point where any sustained charge is a co-primary charge. The College of Arms was asked to consider whether or not this policy made sense, or whether it made sense to introduce the idea that charges could be sustained secondaries.

Based on commentary, it does not appear that there is any easy way to solve this problem that improves the current situation without introducing new undesirable effects and complexity to our rules. We therefore decline to change the current state of the rules on this matter. Held items must be either sustained co-primaries, which count for difference, or maintained charges, which do not count for difference.

We remind the College that there are very few examples of held charges in period armory and that most examples are maintained. The use of sustained charges leads to an increase in complexity of processing submissions that is not desirable, especially since it does not follow a common period practice.

Anyone who feels that they have a proposal which is simple to understand, simple to apply, and which solves all the issues (or at least substantially improves the status quo) is invited to submit said proposal to the College for consideration.

Entwined charges are currently defined as having one charge primary and one charge maintained, unless it is explicitly stated in the registration or a comment. There are an increasing number of these secondary entwined charges, leading to a large increase of time as the person checking must research each potential conflict to see if it is a maintained or secondary entwined charge. This must be simplified. Therefore, in the case of entwined charges, we will adopt the proposal in this fashion:

'An X and a Y entwined' are co-primary charges.

'An X entwined of a Y' is a primary X and a secondary Y.

'An X maintaining an entwined Y' is a primary X and a maintained Y.

Transfixed charges follow a similar pattern as entwined charges.

'An X and a Y transfixed' are coprimary charges.

'An X transfixing a Y' or 'An X transfixed by a Y' is a primary X and a secondary Y.

'An X maintaining and transfixing a Y' or 'An X maintaining a transfixed Y' is a primary X and a maintained Y.

Existing armory using entwined and transfixed charges will be reblazoned on future LoARs as required and as time permits.

From Wreath: Charges for Laurels

On the Cover Letter for the November 2008 LoAR, we asked the College of Arms and the populace of the SCA to suggest a reserved charge for the Order of the Laurel, to parallel the pelican in its piety for the Order of the Pelican and the closed loop of chain and white belt for the Order of the Chivalry. Responses from the general populace varied, but responses from members of the Order of the Laurel were nearly unanimous: since the practice of using a charge as a symbol of their rank on the shield is not generally a period practice, they do not desire a charge reserved for them. Therefore, we will not reserve a charge for members of the Order of the Laurel. Period practice would be to display order badges around the shield as part of the achievement.

From Wreath: Unrestricting Chains and Pelicans

Also on the Cover Letter for the November 2008 LoAR, we asked the College of Arms and the populace to discuss removing the restrictions on closed loops of chain and pelicans as symbols for the Orders of Chivalry and of the Pelican, respectively.

Commentary from members of the College of Arms was mostly in favor of removing the restriction were it possible, but also cautioned that many members of the Chivalry, especially in certain geographical areas, viewed this practice as a perk of their rank.

Commentary from members of the general SCA populace was strongly in favor of retaining this historic practice, mostly citing SCA tradition.

At this time, we decline to overturn the restriction and will continue to limit the use of these charges. The closed loop of chain, in any tincture, remains reserved to the members of the Order of the Chivalry, and the pelican, in any tincture, remains reserved to the members of the Order of the Pelican. We would again note that period practice would be to display the order badges around the shield as part of the achievement.

From Laurel, Pelican, and Wreath: Heraldic Display at Pennsic

This year at Pennsic, since Laurel, Pelican, and Wreath were all in attendance, we started what we hope will become a new tradition. The three of us took a long tour of Pennsic, looking at all the heraldic display that we could find. There was, to our joy, a great deal to see. We each chose two camps to honor with the first tokens from the heraldic sovereigns to thank those camps for exceptional use of heraldry. The following camps were so honored:

Kingdom of the West

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Strawberry Fields (multi-kingdom camp)

Lusty Wench Tavern (multi-kingdom camp)

Vair and Ermine (multi-kingdom camp)

Singing Stone and Lion's Tower (Æthelmearc)

We would like to thank them for the inspiration that they give not only to us, but to all who see their displays.

West –– MARCH 2009

Brighid Draweswerd. Name.

This name combines Gaelic and English, which is a step from period practice. If the submitter is interested in a wholly English name, we recommend Brigid Draweswerd; Brigid is the expected English vernacular form of Latin Brigida, which appears in Talan Gwynek, "Given Names from Early 13th Century England".

Brigit the Chaste. Name and device. Per pale indented gules and counter-ermine.

Castellana del Mar. Name and device. Ermine, a butterfly and a chief engrailed azure.

Elzbeta Korotkaia. Name and device. Argent, three fleurs-de-lys gules and a bordure wavy gules semy-de-lys argent.

Hallbi{o,}rn Erlændar son. Name.

Submitted as Hallbiörn Erlændr, there were two problems with the name. First, the given name Hallbiörn used ö to represent the o-ogonek, {o,}. Using o-umlaut (ö) instead of the o-ogonek ({o,}) is a later convention that really only gained popularity in modern times because of the limitations of standard typefonts. To follow our normal transliteration standards for Old Norse, the appropriate form of the given name is Hallbi{o,}rn.

Second, Erlændr can only be interpreted as either a second given name or as an unmarked patronymic byname. However, neither of these constructions were documented as being used in Old Norse contexts. Lacking such evidence, they are not registerable. A marked patronymic byname formed from Erlændr is Erlændar son. We have changed the name to Hallbi{o,}rn Erlændar son in order to register it.

Jehanne la rousse. Name.

The submitter requested authenticity for 12th C French. Both elements of the name were documented from the 1292 Paris census, which puts them at the end of the 13th C. We have been unable to find any 12th C forms of the given name. Morlet, Les Noms de Personne sur le Territoire de l'Ancienne Gaule du VIe au XIIe Siècle, II:65b lists one 11th C form, Latin Johanna dated to a. 1009-1023 and env. 1050. It's likely that some form of the given name was used in the 12th C, but we do not have the information to determine what the form is. Similarly for the byname - the earliest citation that we have is Wilekin Rous, dated to 1225 in Reaney & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, s.n. Rous. This byname is from Anglo-French rous (masc.) or rouse (fem.). Again, it is likely that this byname was used in French in the 12th C, but we do not know what the appropriate form would be.

Joshua FitzRoberts. Name and device. Purpure, a winged natural tiger couchant argent marked sable.

The byname FitzRoberts is grandfathered to him. It is the registered byname of his mother and sister.

Loy Schiemann der Kleine. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Loy Schiemann der Klein, German grammar requires that Klein become Kleine following the definite article der. We have made this correction.

This name combines Dutch and High German, which is a step from period practice.

Maura Doré. Name and device. Per chevron throughout argent and azure, two chalices sable and a dove rising wings displayed argent.

Submitted as Maura d'O, the only documentation provided on the LoI for d'Oré was the statement that d'Oré "is the French translation for "Golden"," but did not provide any documentation to back up this assertion. Documentation by assertion has long been held to be insufficient for registration.

Ragged Staff provided information about French bynames meaning "golden":

A byname meaning "gold" can be found in the 1292 Paris census (see http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/1292paris.pdf): <l'Or>. There are also three examples of <le Dore> 'the gilded', which is noted as probably a nickname for a goldsmith.

However, changing d'Oré to l'Or or le Dore is a major change, which the submitter does not allow. Elmet notes that:

"French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423.html) gives us the surname Doré dated to 1438 and the surname Dor dated to 1421 (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423surnames.html).

We cannot confirm that Doré means "golden" in medieval French (though it does in modern French), but as the change from d'Oré to Doré is minor, we are able to change the name to Maura Do in order to register it.

The submitter requested authenticity for 12th C French. Precedent concerning the given name Maura says:

Dauzat and Rostaing (p. 636 s.n. Ste-Maure) date S. Maura as a form of this placename in 1136. Therefore, at least one saint (probably the saint known as Maura of Troyes, d. 850) was certainly known by this name in France in the 12th C. As such, the name Maura may be registered in the context of a 12th C French name. [LoAR 09/2001]

On the basis of this citation, Maura is registerable as a 12th C French name, but lacking evidence that it actually used in the 12th C, it is not authentic for that period. Likewise, lacking evidence for Doré in the 12th C, the byname is also not authentic for her period.

Medb ingen Rónáin. Name and device. Per chevron azure and vert, a natural tiger rampant argent marked sable between three butterflies argent.

Submitted as Medb inghean Rónáin, the byname inghean Rónáin violated RfS III.1.a by combining Early Modern Irish inghean with Middle Irish Rónáin. We have changed the name to the wholly Middle Irish form Medb ingen Rónáin in order to register it.

Meghan Forde. Device. Sable, a dragon passant argent and a ford proper.

This is clear of the device of Tatsumi Tomoko, Sable, in chief an Oriental dragon passant pendant from its sinister foreclaw an open scroll argent and a base wavy barry wavy argent and sable. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the base and one for the removal of the dragon's wings.

Michael an der burg. Name.

This does not conflict with Michael van Bergen. Per RfS V.1.a.ii, prepositions and articles such as an der and van do not contribute to difference. Comparing burg and Bergen with respect to their sound and appearance, the two words are significantly different in appearance. They differ in sound by the quality of the vowel in the first syllable and by the addition of an unstressed syllable. The latter change alone has been ruled not significant:
[Award of the Silver Decrescent] Aural conflict with Order of the Silver Crescent, registered August 1979 to the Kingdom of the East. The names are nearly identical in sound; the only difference is the unstressed leading syllable. A survey of some 15 heralds found 15 who believed it was a conflict. [Hawkwood, Barony of, LoAR-04/2005, Atlantia-R]

While inghean and inghean uí differ in appearance, they differ by only one unstressed syllable in sound; therefore, identical given and patronymics that differ by only these particles conflict. [Sorcha inghean Mhaoláin, LoAR 04/2007, Atlantia-R]

However, it was the consensus of the commenters that the addition of the unstressed syllable in conjunction with the change of the vowel is a significant difference in sound in this case.

Nicole an der burg. Name.

Violet Ruthvene. Name and device. Purpure, a reremouse and in chief three chalices one and two argent.

Nice name!


Loy Schiemann der Kleine. Device. Per pale argent and sable, two crosses formy fitchy counterchanged.

This device is returned for non-blazonability of the crosses. They aren't formy fitchy, which would replace the entire lower limb with a spike. Neither are they formy fitchy at the foot, which would have the spike issuant from the center third of the lower limb's bottom edge. The crosses in the submitted artwork have the spike take up the entire bottom of the lower limb: among period crosses, only the cross of Santiago has that treatment of its lower limb, and the submitted crosses are obviously not crosses of Santiago.

In Service,

Astrith of Swansvale
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 20 September, XLIV (2009)


Caoilfionn inghean ui Niall. Resub Name, see Returns for Resub Device.

Changed to C{a'}elainn ingen u{i'} N{e'}ill.

Submitted as Caoilfionn inghean ui Niall.

Previous registration attempt was Kalen Forgehall.

Caoilfionn: Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2718 [http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2718.txt]. This report specifically states that the form submitted is a MODERN spelling of Cáelfin. It's a modern variant of a name "usually spelled <Caoilinn> Pre-1600’s the only documented use of that name is a saint mentioned in 13th century Irish records who probably lived in 6th or 7th century. OC&M (p.41 under 'Caelfind') shows early forms <C{a'}elfind> and <C{a'}elainn> for the later spelling <Caoilinn>, and says that "The best known bearer of this name was St C{a'}elainn, a virgin saint of the Ciarraige in Connacht, whose feast-day is 3 February."

<inghean> is a later-period spelling of the Gaelic patronymic marker "daughter of". <u{i'}> is the genitive form of <{O'}> "descendant of".

<Niall>: Dated Names Found in Ó Corráin & Maguire's Irish Names by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) [http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/ocm/OCM-MasGivAlpha2s.html]. Niall in this spelling is on the list, dated to 778-948. The "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Kathleen M. O'Brien, at [http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Niall.shtml], indicates that the _genitive_ form of the name was <N{e'}ill> in both Middle Irish Gaelic and Early Modern Irish Gaelic. Because the genitive form is the one used in patronymics, it needs to be used here. This page also cites 21 pre-1600 instances of either the given name or the patronymic, with dates fairly regularly spaced from 971 to 1596.

Woulfe (p.625 under O Neill) cites a <Do{m.}nall {O'} N{e'}ill> from 943 as the first to bear the surname.

For consistency, I have changed the name to an early-period form <C{a'}elainn ingen u{i'} N{e'}ill>, based on the saint’s name from OC&M and the early instance of the patronymic from Woulfe. In the November 2008 LoAR, <ingen> is given as the early spelling of the marker in the commentary on Sciath inghean Airt.

Morgann Mac Eóin. New Name, New Device

Or, on a pile doubly cotised sable, a sword inverted Or.

Morgann: Krossa: Scottish Gaelic Given Names for men, updated 24 June 2004. Morgann dated to 1101-1200. [http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/men.shtml]. The update date is now 29 June 2007. The spellings of the names have been normalized. There is no citation in Krossa for the source. The column in which <Morgann> is found "gives early medieval spellings (roughly pre-1200).

Mac Eóin: header spelling in Woulfe: Irish names and surnames, p. 359. “Irish surname assumed by a branch of the Scottish family of Bissett who settled, in the 13th century, in the Glinns of Antrim”.

The combination of an early medieval Scottish Gaelic given name with a presumably late medieval (post-1200) Irish surname should not be regarded as more than a step from period practice, given the close temporal proximity (12th v. 13th C).

Eóin is the SCA name of the submitter’s father.


Aine inghean Cathail.-Resub Device.

Azure, a heart enflamed Or and in chief, three decrescents argent.
This is being returned for re-drawing. The flamelets are in a non-standard form. They should either be drawn standard flames or be issuing from the heart, preferably both. We found no conflicts.

C{a'}elainn ingen u{i'} N{e'}ill -- Resub Device.

Per chevron argent and purpure, two fleurs-de-lys sable.
The device was returned for administrative reasons – insufficient forms and no colored forms. No conflicts were found and it is a handsome device. See submissions for name.

Sciath ingen Airt. -- New Name Change and New Device Change.

Returned for administrative reasons: because this is a name change, not a resubmission, a fee of $6 is required.

The forms present this and a device submission as a resubmissions, but both a variant of the name and the identical device were registered to the submitter in November, 2008. The submitter is proposing to register an authentic version of the name by changing from inghean to ingen, as explained in the Nov. 2008 LOAR, A-West:

“The submitter requested authenticity for Irish 900-1200, but does not allow major changes. The name is not authentic because it combines Old or Middle Irish Sciath with Early Modern Irish inghean Airt. We cannot change the name to the wholly Old or Middle Irish form Sciath ingen Airt, because the change of language is a major change."
The resubmitted device is the emblazon that was previously registered. There is no change, so this is not being forwarded to Laurel.


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