Minutes of the June, 2009 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 7 June 2009, at a public venue in Reno, NV. The meeting started at 12:20 pm and ended at approximately 1:00 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Frederick of Holland, and Astrið of Swansvale, Matins. A small meeting due to distant location.

The meeting schedule in 2009 is August 23, September 20, October 18, and November 15, January 10, 2010. There will be no meeting in July or December, 2009. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.



Eilis, Vesper- Reported position changes. (??)

Moira, Green Cloak Herald- No report

Nara’ah, Banner- Still looking for deputy/successor. Training is happening.

Wilhelm, Baldric- No report.

Owen, Latimer- Recruiting is improving.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet- No Report.

Hirsch, Golem- No report.

Gillian, Seawolf- No Report.

Elysant, Sable Swan - Looking for successor.

Isabel, Stellanordica- No report.


From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

KWHSS 2009 will be held in The Barony of the Lonely Tower in the Kingdom of Calontir September 4-7, 2009. This is Omaha, Nebraska.

November 14 (Heraldic Collegium).

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Sandstedt / PO Box 1346 / Sparks NV 89432-1346).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries June also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers June take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They June be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Matins Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

The April LoAR has not been posted yet.

In Service,

Astrith of Swansvale
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 7 June, XLIV (2009)


Alesz Milanek z Opatova - New Name & New Device

Per chevron rayonny argent and gules, in chief three crosses flory gules and in base a lion rampant queue-forchee crossed argent, armed and langued Or.
Academy of St. Gabriel report 3390: The language spoken in most of Bohemia during the requested period (1350-1550) was Czech. Most names taken from historical Czech documents have been normalized to modern Czech, so it is hard to tell what form they would have taken in period. Because medieval Polish and medieval Czech only diverged near the end of the 16th century [Academy of S. Gabriel Report #2458], name information from a wider area than Bohemia was evaluated.

Alesz: Academy of St. Gabriel report 3390: The given name <Ales^> (where the ^ represents a hachek over the <s>), is found in 1550. [Dobrava Moldanova, 2004] We believe this could also have been spelled <Alesz>.

Milanek: Academy of St. Gabriel report 3390: We could not find <Milanek> as a given name or byname before 1600. We did find the given names <Milan> and <Milek> as Polish given names. We also found the similar sounding bynames <Milczek>, <Mylczek> and <Milayek>, but we do not think they are derived from <Milan> or <Milek>. [Taszycki, undated]

z Opatova: Academy of St. Gabriel report 3390: There are period examples of Polish adjectival bynames (like <Opatowski>) formed from the placename. [Taszycki, undated] We believe that the byname <z Opatova> is correct for your period as well. We also found examples of individuals with two bynames with the second byname being formed with <z> and the placename.

In conclusion, <Alesz Milczek z Opatova> or <Alesz Milayek z Opatova> would be a fine name for a Bohemian man living in the sixteenth century. It might be suitable for earlier as well, but we cannot be certain.

Gianetta del Bene - New Name & New Device

Azure, a rabbit dormant contourney argent, a bordure rayonny Or.
Gianetta: appears once as a woman's given name in the Florentine Catasto of 1427

del Bene: occurs 109 times in the Florentine Tratte (listed as <DELBENE> in the data).

Gianetta del Bene - New Badge

(Fieldless) A mortar and pestle Or.

Helyas de Walincors - New Name & New Device

Per pall inverted sable, gules, and ermine, a sword between in chief two griffins combatant Or
Helyas: Academy of St. Gabriel 2665: We find <Helias> in England c.1110 and c.1150 [2,3], and a man between c.1230 and c.1247 recorded as both <Helias> and <Helyas>. [Talan Gwynek, "Given Names from Early 13th Century England" (www: J. Mittleman, 1997). http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/].

de Walincors: Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2309: The modern surname <Wallincourt> derives from a place name, probably in Alsace-Lorraine or Picardy. The letter 'W' is rare in modern French. It is most common in these regions which had the strongest Germanic influence in the Middle Ages. The place name <Wallincourt> derived from the Old Continental Germanic masculine name <Walo> and Latin <-cortis> 'estate' [The <n> in the place-name comes from the old possessive form of <Walo>; the name meant roughly 'Walo's estate']. We found the following period examples of the name [Morlet, 1972]:

<Walincors> 1058-1129, <Gualhuncurt> 1104, <Wallencurt> 1149, <Walleincurt> ca.1150, <Wallaincort> 1237.

"Throughout your period, surnames like <de Wallaincort> were quite common. Toward the end of your period, in much of France, it was not uncommon to drop the preposition <de> [Dauzat, 1988]. If you want a name suited for c.1400-1450, then <Margot Wallaincort> would be just as appropriate as <Margot de Wallaincort>; in some regions it would have been more likely."

[From Matins - the last sentence refers to the name that the Academy of St. Gabriel originally consulted on with another person.]

Submitter is advised to draw the bottom segment of the field division larger.

Johanna Ludwiger von Hertesbergk - New Badge

(Fieldless) A padlock Or

Academy of S. Gabriel Report #2458 http://www.s-gabriel.org/2458.

Academy of St. Gabriel 2665: Talan Gwynek, "Given Names from Early 13th Century England" (www: J. Mittleman, 1997). http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/

Academy of St. Gabriel 2309: Arval Benicoeur. 1998. Feminine given names from the online Catasto of Florence of 1427. Available at: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/

Dauzat, Albert, _Les Noms de Famille de France_ (Paris: Librairie Guenegaud, 1988), 136ff.

Dobrava Moldanova/ _Nas^e Pr^i/jmeni/_ (Praha: Agentura Pankra/c, 2004).

Herlihy, et al., 2000. Available at: http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/ http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLSURNAM1.html

Morlet, Marie-Therese, _Les Noms de Personne sur le Territoire de l'Ancienne Gaule du VIe au XIIe Siecle_, III:459b - III:460b (Paris: Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, 1972.

Schwarz, Ernst. _Sudetendeutsche Familiennamen des 15. und 16. Jahrhunderts_ (Mu"nchen: Robert Lerche, 1973). Examples of the name construction can be found s.n. Pfeil, where <Antonius Pfeil z Bils^ic> is found in 1553, and s.n. Reichler, where <Adam Rajchlar z Rajchlstajna> is found in 1558.

Taszycki, Witold (ed.), _Sl/ownik Staropolskich Nazw Osobowych_ (Dictionary of Old Polish Personal Names), vols. I-VII (Wrocl/aw: Zakl/ad Narodowy Imienia Ossolin'skich, Polska Akademia Nauk, 1965-1987). s.nn. Milan, Mil/ek, Milczek, Mylczek, Mil/ajek.


Cedany de Corwyn – Name Change.
Cedany was not documentable. The submitter will accept a variation, but did not indicate which was preferred.

Fáelán Grimsdóttir – New Name, New Device.

Sable, a wolf passant reguardant and on a chief invected argent, two Thor’s hammers sable.
We were only able to document the given name as masculine – which cannot be used with a surname/epithet meaning “daughter of”.

No conflicts found for the device, but it is being returned for lack of a registerable name.

Fáelán Grimsdóttir – New Badge

Sable, a wolf’s head erased contourney and on a chief invected argent, two Thor’s hammers sable.
No conflicts found for the badge, but it is being returned for lack of a registerable name. The submitter is advised to make the line either really couped or really erased, and to send a line drawing with the resubmission.

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