Minutes of the January, 2009 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 4 January 2009, at the Ramada Inn in Santa Nella, CA. The meeting started at 12:45 pm and ended at 2:51 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, incoming Brachet; Na'arah bat Avraham, Banner; Moira O’Connor, Greencloak; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Elysant atten Oke, Sable Swan; Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, Harpy; Aldith Angharad St. George, Frederick of Holland, and Maxen ap Owen, Pursuivants; Anne FitzRichard, Pinnacle; Khaliid al Jaraad, Snowbound; Clare de Norwude, Peregrine; Emma FitzWilliam, acting Silver Gull; Volker von dem Walde, acting Pursuivant for Danegeld Tor; Aurelia de Montfort, Danae FitzRoberts, Jared of Castlewood, Johanna Ludwiger von Hersberk, Megan nic Alister of Thornwood, and Muriel von Schrecken, Pursuivants Extraordinary; Elsa Saxenkammer, E’tai’n ingen Chellaig, Leon von Schrecken, cornet; Meghen Ford, Effrick vyn Kenze, Robert of London, Guests; Astrið of Swansvale, outgoing Brachet/incoming Matins; and Vigdís vestfirzka, outgoing Matins/incoming Compline.

The meeting schedule in 2009 is March 8, April 19, May 17, June 7. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.



Vigdis, Matins -Astrith will be taking over as Matins as of the end of this meeting. Gwyn will be taking over as Brachet. The brachet meeting will in Sac the South bay franchise will be held in Berkeley.

Moira, Green Cloak Herald -There were a lot of volunteers for shouts yesterday there are three people interested in taking over the job. She will be starting to work with them at March Crown and will be assessing who will be the best for the job. The Court of Love and White Shield would like to have heralds at their events. There will be training opportunities before Crown.

Na'arah, Banner - Courts happened, nobody died. The Oertha Ceremony book has been revamped. Still trying to work on the Baronial Ceremonies. We need to train more court heralds. If you are interested in learning about court let Banner know. Training is available.

Owen, Latimer - The LOARs are indicating that the current leadership is going to be more picky about dated period sources. Our book resources are limited in French and German. We will be adding a spot on the sign up sheet for consultation table. There will be training at events when it is possible. It is difficult to do training if there are not additional consultation heralds available to work. The best way to get trained is to go a commenting meeting. There are currently meetings in Berkeley, Sacramento, and coming soon in Sparks.

Astrith, Brachet - We’ve been keeping up with the commenting. The mid realm has caught up with it’s huge back log. There is a slight back log from December, but we will be caught up in January.

Hirsch, Golem - There has been working on a version two of the web site. There will be announcements on the various herald’s list with a link. Please go through and look at it. Check for broken links, read the articles for clarity. Please send comments to Golem. The awards list is continuing. It seems to be going smoothly.

Wilhelm, Baldric - Fall Collegium went pretty well. There has been some video editing software purchased. The WACVAC video will be available as soon as possible. The handbook is currently slated to be finished by next Twelfth Night. There is still no site for March Collegium. Please let Baldric know if you are aware of a site that is available for little to no cost. There will need to be space outside where we can make noise. The site where Wilhelm works may not work this year.

Elysant, Sable Swan - is currently working on a new ceremony (Heart of the Princess) Investiture is coming up. There is currently no tournament planned.

Isabel, Stellanordica - Things are going well. They are gearing up for the up coming season.


From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

Herald's Collegium is November 15. We will be holding it at Mechanic's Bank in Hercules, CA. Site opens at 9 am, site fee is $4 for SCA members & $7 for non-members.

KWHSS 2009 will be held in The Barony of the Lonely Tower in the Kingdom of Calontir September 4-7, 2009. This is Omaha, Nebraska.

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Sandstedt / PO Box 1346 / Sparks NV 89432-1346).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - June 2008
(February 2008 LoI)

Aelesia Marschal. Device. Azure, three catamounts rampant argent, in chief an increscent Or.

Emrys Coedwig. Name.

Flann ua Donndubáin. Device. Argent, a heron rising wings displayed between a chevronel throughout and a bar azure.

While we have examples in period of ordinaries being framed by other ordinaries and of random primary charges being framed by two identical ordinaries, we can find no examples of an arbitrary type of primary charge framed by two non-identical ordinaries. Having two different types of ordinary framing a primary charge is therefore a step from period practice.

Harold Breakstone. Reblazon of badge. Azure, a cougar crouched to spring proper atop a mountain sable.

This was originally registered in January 1973 with the blazon Azure, a cougar crouched to spring upon a rock, all proper. Most interpret that blazon to place the cougar on the ground ready to spring to the top of the rock; however, it is actually on the rock ready to leap down. The cougar is a tannish-orange tincture; it can best be described as proper. It will conflict with an Or or a brown feline. The reblazon comes closest to representing the emblazon.

Isolte le Quite. Name.

Saxi bilstyggr Geirsson. Name and device. Azure, a bull's head cabossed within a bordure argent.

Submitted as Saxi bilstyggr Tyrgeirsson, the patronymic was put forward as a construction of Tyr- + -geirr. The protheme is based on the name Tyrfingr found in Haraldson, The Old Norse Name. However, Cleasby-Vigfusson, An Icelandic English Dictionary, s.v. Tyrfingr, notes "the name of the enchanted sword, Hervar S.; prop. from its flaming like resinous-wood (tyrfi): a pr. name, Landn." while s.v. tyrfi, tyrfi is defined as a resinous fir-tree. Thus the name Tyrfingr is not formed from the theme Tyr- but rather from the theme tyrfi-. There is no evidence that the theme Tyr- is found in diathematic Norse names. Of the similar god name Týr, the Academy of Saint Gabriel report 3332 notes:
All names with <Týr-> or <-týr> in Lind, E.H., Norsk-Isländska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn från Medeltiden, (Uppsala & Leipzig: 1905-1915, sup. Oslo, Uppsala and Kobenhavn: 1931) are mythological or fictional.
Without evidence of the use of the themes Tyr- or Týr- in Old Norse, constructed diathematic names may not use these themes. Because Geirr is an Old Norse personal name in its own right (Cleasby Vigfusson, s.v. Geirr note it in the Landnamabok), we have changed the name to Saxi bilstyggr Geirsson in order to register it.

The primary charge was blazoned as an auroch's head on the LoI. As there is no cant or other reason to blazon this as an auroch's head, and the horns don't match those of auroch's skulls presently available (aurochs went extinct in Europe in 1627), we have reblazoned the charge as a bull's head.

West – Returns – JUNE 2008
(February 2008 LoI)

West – Acceptances – JULY 2008
(There was no March LoI)

Akbar Khayamm. Reblazon of device. Pean, on sun Or a wolf’s head erased sable.

This was originally registered in July 1980 with the blazon Pean, on a ball of flames Or a wolf’s head erased sable. The ball of flame is symmetric with flames radiating in all directions. This most closely resembles a sun, though one with all wavy rays rather than alternating straight and wavy.

Piers Howells de Cambria. Reblazon of device. Azure, an owl reguardant Or perched atop a rock issuant from base argent.

This was originally registered in September 1973 with the blazon Azure, an owl Or perched on a rock argent. That blazon omitted the fact that the owl is reguardant. We are keeping the term ’rock’, here, as it is a valid heraldic term and a cant on the given name.

West – Acceptances – AUGUST 2008
(April 2008 LoI)

Aasa Thorvaldsdottir. Name and device. Argent semy of musical notes, on a fess azure an otter statant Or.

Submitted as Áasa Thorvaldsdottir, both the forms and the documentation showed the given name as Aasa. We have made this correction. Please instruct the submitter to draw fewer and larger musical notes.

Anne of Cloondara. Name.

Cloondara is the name of an SCA branch.

Bianca Lucia da Como. Name and device. Per pale azure and vert, a sun and on a chief Or an ivy vine proper.

Cormac MacKay. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Cormac_ MacKay, the name was written on the forms as Cormack MacKay. However, no mention of this discrepancy or the reason for changing the name was given on the LoI. We remind submissions heralds that this information must be provided whenever a name is changed in kingdom (see the June 2008 Cover Letter for a fuller discussion of this issue). In this case, the forms also say that the submitter preferred the spelling Cormac, and this was the form documented on the LoI. This allows us to register the name without pending it for further commentary.

Darren Pantyr. Name.

Darren is the submitter's legal given name.

Emrys Coedwig. Device. Per fess argent and azure, two oak trees fructed eradicated proper and a dragon displayed Or winged and gorged of a collar argent.

Étaín du Pommier. Badge. (Fieldless) A trefoil per saltire Or and sable.

Gabrielle du Chesne. Name and device. Per fess vert and Or, a sun and a fleur-de-lys counterchanged.

Submitted as Gabrielle Lechesne, Lechesne was documented as the name of a place; lacking examples of unmarked locatives in French, Lechesne is not registerable as a byname. The correct locative byname based on Lechesne or Le Chesne is du Chesne; this byname is found in 1421 and 1438 in Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, and 1438." Though the submitter does not allow major changes, she has explicitly allowed the change from Lechesne to du Chesne; we have changed the name to Gabrielle du Chesne in order to register it.

Gelis of Balwery. Name and device. Per pale purpure and Or, two wolves sejant respectant ululant and a pine tree eradicated counterchanged.

The use of the posture ululant is a step from period practice.

Gerin Nytzmanskinde. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Gerin Niemandskind_, the byname was documented as a header spelling from Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Familiennamen. Header spellings from this source are only registerable if it is demonstrated that they are consistent with period forms. No such evidence was provided in this case. The only dated citation found in this entry is for Nytzmanskinde 1374. We have changed the name to Gerin Nytzmanskinde to match the documentation in order to register the name.

Jocelyn of Rowenwood. Device. Per fess vert and argent, two trees eradicated counterchanged.

This is not a conflict with Isabela Damiana Diez de Medina y Sandoval, Per fess vert and argent, an elephant statant argent and a tree blasted and eradicated proper. Isabela's tree is entirely brown. There is a CD for the change of type of half the charge group from tree to elephant and another for the change of tincture of half the charge group from entirely green to entirely brown.

Padraig Mactyre. Device. Per saltire argent and vert, a wolf rampant azure sustaining a spear gules.

Ruaidhrí Mac Diarmada. Device. Argent, a fess nowy azure charged with a plate.

The first explicit registration of a fess nowy in the SCA was in October 2007 in the reblazon of a device from August 1982. At the time, Wreath said: "A fess nowy would be equivalent to a fess surmounted by a roundel; we have no evidence of fesses nowy in period, but in this case it's grandfathered to the submitter." The use of the grandfather clause points out that the charge was not documented, and therefore not allowed in future submissions without documentation.

This submitter produced copious documentation for the charge, none of which included reliable dates that showed the use of the fess nowy in period heraldry. Thankfully, White Antelope provided a citation from a source which appears to be from the 15th century. Therefore, we are giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt and registering this device.

Snorri Randulfsson. Name and device. Per pale argent and vert, three crescents conjoined in pall, horns outward, counterchanged.

The submitter requested authenticity for the migration/Viking era. During this period, the appropriate language is Old Norse. However, the byname, Randulfsson, was documented as Norwegian. Randulf and its variants are late borrowings of Continental Germanic Randulf. The earliest example of the name that we have found in Scandinavia is in Danish from 1332 (Knudsen Gunnar, Marius Kristiansen, & Rikard Hornby, Danmarks Gamle Personnavne, Vol. I: Fornavne (Copenhagen: 1936-48), s.n. Randulf). Lacking evidence for a form of this name in Scandinavia during the Viking era, this name is not authentic. If the submitter is interested in a similar byname which would make the name authentic, we recommend Rauðúlfs son; Geirr Bassi, The Old Norse Name, notes that the masculine given name Rauðúlfr occurs in Landnámabók once.

Solange of Vinhold. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Purpure, two besoms in saltire Or and on a chief argent a roundel between an increscent and a decrescent purpure.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the besoms (brooms) larger.

Submitted under the name Solange au Bon Coeur.

Solange of Vinhold. Badge. (Fieldless) Two besoms in saltire Or.

West – Returns – AUGUST 2008
(April 2008 LoI)

Fiallarr rauðulfr. Name and device. Gules, a chevron argent between three paw prints one and two and a wolf sejant ululant Or, a bordure argent.

The name is returned for lack of documentation of the byname. The byname was intended to be a constructed byname meaning 'red wolf'. Precedent says:
[Information demonstrating that the appearance of rauðrefr in Geirr Bassi is an error] removes support for the byname rauðrefr in Geirr Bassi, we are left with no confirmed examples of descriptive bynames of the form [color] + [animal] in Old Norse. One commenter reported an example of rauðbekri 'red ram' as appearing in the Landnámabók, but the information provided was incomplete and we were unable to find the byname in the online version of the Landnámabók. Further, as stated in a previous ruling:
A pattern of anything cannot be derived from a single example. It takes multiple examples--the more examples found, the more likely it is that the theorized pattern is accurate. [Annalies Maria von Marburg, 09/01, A-Caid]
Lacking solid evidence of a clear pattern of descriptive bynames of the form [color] + [animal] in Old Norse, there is no support for the submitted Hvithestr as a plausible descriptive byname in Old Norse. [LoAR 12/2003, Kristin Hvithestr, West-R]
No new evidence was presented for color + animal bynames in Old Norse, and so this type of byname continues to be unregisterable.

The device has a step from period practice for using pawprints and another for the use of a wolf in the ululant posture. Two steps from period practice has long been grounds for return. On resubmission, the submitter should draw the chevron wider.

Gerin Nytzmanskinde. Device. Gules, on an acorn argent a squirrel sable.

This device is returned for conflict with the badge for Pernell Camber, (Fieldless) On an acorn argent an ermine-spot sable, registered on the May 2008 LoAR. There is a CD for having a field vs. a fieldless design, but an acorn is not suitable for purposes of RfS X.4.j.ii, so there is no CD for the change of only the type of the tertiary charge.

Radnor of Guildemar. Badge. Argent, a cross of ermine spots sable and in canton a demi-sun vert.

The device is returned for conflict with the badge of Clare RosMuire St. John, Argent, a cross avellane sable the center roundel gules. It was the consensus of the commenters that the cross of four ermine spots is too close to a cross avellane for there to be a CD, the only practical difference being the addition of four small roundels to the cross of ermine spots. Therefore, there is a single CD for the addition of the demi-sun.

Solange au Bon Coeur. Name.

The byname au Bon Coeur was documented from Academy of Saint Gabriel Report #1303, which says:
We found <Boncoeur> as a modern French surname, but we also found English examples <Bonquer> 1229, 1257, 1298, <Bonquor> 1264 [5,6], which demonstrates that the name was used in Anglo-Norman and suggests that similar forms were used in Old French, possibly <Boncuer> or <au Bon Cuer> "with the good heart, courageous".
However, no references were provided in support of the form with au. Lacking examples of this construction in our period, au Bon Coeur is not registerable. We would drop the au and register the name as Solange_Bon Coeur, but the submitter does not allow major changes, such as dropping an element.

Her device has been registered under the holding name Solange of Vinhold.

West – Acceptances – SEPTEMBER 2008
(May 2008 LoI)

Ahmad ibn Salim al-Hasib. Name.

Submitted as Achmed ibn Salim al-Hasib, no documentation was provided that Achmed is a reasonable period variant form of Arabic Ahmad in any language. The LoI cited Da'ud ibn Auda, "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices", which says that historically some names of important Arabs have been corrupted when used by Europeans (e.g., the philosopher ibn Sina was known as Avicenna to Europeans). However, the article clearly states that not all of the examples provided of this type of corruption date to period. None of the commenters were able to provide any support for -h- being transcribed or corrupted as -ch- in our period. Lacking such evidence, Achmed is not a plausible period variant form of Ahmad. We have changed the name to Ahmad ibn Salim al-Hasib in order to register it.

Aine de Lacy. Name (see RETURNS for device).

This name combines English and Gaelic; this is one step from period practice.

Berta Mallory. Name and device. Vert, a lion rampant and on a chief Or three crabs gules.

Nice name!

Christophe d'Avignon. Name and device. Ermine, a fleur-de-lys and a bordure azure.

The documentation for the given name, Dauzat, Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Famille et Prenoms de France, s.n. Christofle, was inadequate, as it provided no evidence that Christophe is a period form. However, Morlet, Etude d'anthroponymie picarde, les noms de personne en Haute Picardie aux XIIIe, XIVe, XVe siecles, p. 20 notes that Christophe can be found in Picardy in the 14th and 15th centuries, which allows us to register this name.

Colette de Navarre. Name and device. Per chevron sable and argent, two crescents argent and a winged unicorn segreant purpure.

This name does not conflict with Nicolas de Navarre. While Colette is a feminine form of Colet, and Colet is a diminutive of Nicolas, Colette is not a pet form of Nicolas. Therefore, per RfS V.1.a.i, the two given names are considered only with respect to their sound and appearance. As they are significantly different in both, they do not conflict.

Colyne Jak Leslie. Device. Ermine, a compass star elongated to base and an orle sable.

Rian of Fettburg. Holding name and device (see PENDS for name). Gyronny arrondi azure and argent, a turtle vert.

Per the July 2005 Cover Letter, placing a charge over the center of this depiction of gyronny arrondi, which has the upper corners of the shield centered in a gyron, is a step from period practice. Submitted under the name Rian Ó Brógáin.

West – Returns – SEPTEMBER 2008
(May 2008 LoI)

Aine de Lacy. Device. Per pall gules, azure, and azure, a pall between three leopard's faces argent.

This is being returned for violating the Rules for Submission. RfS VIII.2.b.v requires that elements evenly divided in three tinctures have good contrast between two of their parts. Precedent says:
[Per chevron inverted argent and Or, a pall sable and overall a rose gules seeded Or.] This is being returned for a redraw. As drawn it is not per chevron inverted. It is closest to per pall argent, Or and Or, which is not acceptable. [December 1998, Eleanor de Valence, R-Lochac]
The new submission is an exact analogy, with the metals and colors reversed.

Arianwen ferch Morgan. Name. The spelling Arianwen was ruled unregisterable on the April 2007 LoAR:

Current precedent holds that Aranwen is registerable as a 12th C literary form of a 5th C semi-legendary name:
Aranwen ferch Dafydd Mawr. Submitted as Arianwen ferch Dafydd Mawr, the spelling Arianwen is a 20th C revival of a name found in a fairly different form in the 5th C. We have no examples of how the name appeared at the time it was actually in use. We did find a form of this name in a 12th C genealogy included in J. Gwenogvryn Evans, The Text of the Book of Llan Dav; this source shows the spelling Aranwen. Given that this is a name used by humans in a written record, we will give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that the form Aranwen might have been adopted for use in the 12th C as a literary name. However, barring documentation that some person actually bore this name later than the 5th C and earlier than 1650, the form Arianwen is no longer registerable.
However, upon further consideration, we feel that this precedent is in error. First, the name is found in a genealogical record. While we use these records to show that a particular name was in use at a particular time, we do not use it for spellings for anything but contemporary names, nor do we generally allow names from such records under the literary name citation. Given this, barring documentation that the name that gave rise to the modern Arianwen was found in the Middle Welsh period or later, neither Arianwen nor Aranwen (a 12th C spelling of a 5th C name) is registerable. [Aranwen Bengrek, Calontir-A]
The name is registerable in the Old Welsh spelling Arganguen, but the submitter does not allow major changes, such as changing the language of an element. If the submitter wants to register a form of Arianwen, we recommend Arganguen merch Morcant, using an Old Welsh form of the byname constructible from Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, "The First Thousand Years of British Names".

Gwydden Lawen. Blanket permission to conflict with device. Sable, a fret and a chief Or. (Submitted with Ansteorra’s May LoAR with the Name/Device of Coblaith Muimnech.)

The letter grants permission to conflict for armory which has one countable difference (a CD) except for the following arms: Sable, a fret and on a chief Or, a label [of any color] and Sable, a fret Or.

While we register blanket permissions to conflict, all restrictions beyond the standards of "1 CD", "non-identity", or "a blazonable difference" must be easy to describe, such as Eleanor Leonard's "as long as either the field or charge is not a solid tincture" or Alia Marie de Blois' "As long as at least one tincture is not an ermine-type fur."

We will not allow exceptions for specific armory in blanket permissions to conflict, only generic ones. If submitters wish to retain specific armory for their use, the way to do that is to register the armory. If the submitter wished to protect "armory which has one countable difference except those using a label", we would accept that restriction, as it is a reasonable cadency restriction for heirs.

West – Pends – SEPTEMBER 2008
(May 2008 LoI)

Rian Ó Brógáin. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Rian Ó Brógáin, the forms had Rian O Brogan. When names are changed in kingdom, even if it is in consultation with the submitter, it is necessary to list the change, the reason for the change, and the originally submitted form on the LoI. This allows the commenters to evaluate changes made to ensure they are consistent with period practice and the submitter's stated wishes. Failure to mention changes on the LoI is grounds for returning (if the omissions are continual or egregious) or pending names. We are pending this item so that Matins can provide the reason for the change to the name and to allow the commenters the opportunity to address this name knowing its full history.

The LoI originally provided this information about the name:

Submitter desires a male name.

Client requests authenticity for Irish (no time given).

Culture (Irish (no time given)) most important.

<Rian>: From Index of Names in Irish Annals: Ríán, by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) <http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Rian.shtml>Middle Irish Gaelic (c900-c1200) nominative form: Ríán <Ríán> is attested for the years 895, 976, 988, 1015, 1016 (note that is only 895-1016, not 900-1200).

O Corrain & Maguire, p.155 sn. Rian is the post colon form and <R{i/}{a/}n> as the early form.

<O Brogan>: 16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe, by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) <http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/SortedByAnglicizedSpelling.shtml> O Brogan (page) 444 Ó Brógáin

<Ó Brógáin> O Corrain & Maguire, p. 37, listed as the post colon form.

Woulfe, p.444 sn. O Brogain, cites <O Brogan> as an Anglicized form of the Gaelic <Ø Brøg{a/}in>.

His device was registered under the holding name Rian of Fettburg.

This was item 8 on the West letter of May 30, 2008.

In Service,

Vigdís vestfirzka
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 4 January, XLIII (2009)


Hallbiörn Erlændr     (Winter’s Gate)     Resubmission of Name to Kingdom
Submitter’s original name of Amund Almvarðr was submitted in September 2008. This was returned due to Almvarðr not being a justifiable surname.

<Hallbiörn> is from The Dictionary of Names from Scandinavian Runic Inscriptions (Nordiskt runnamnslexikon). It is a masculine name O.Swed. Habiorn, OW.Norse Hallbiörn. First element Hall-, second element –biörn.

<Erlændr> is from The Dictionary of Names from Scandinavian Runic Inscriptions (Nordiskt runnamnslexikon). It is a masculine name O.Dan. Erland, O.Swed. Ærland, OW.Norse Erlendr. Usually interpreted as being formed from the OW.Norse adjective erlendr, orlendr (<Germanic *uzlandia).

Loy Schiemann der Klein     (Prov. Mists)     Resubmission of New Name and New Device to Kingdom

Per pale argent and sable, two crosses formy fitchey counterchanged.
Submitter desires a male name.

<Loy> is from “Flemish Given Names from Bruges, 1400-1600” (http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/bruges/given-list.html). Cited between 1400-1550.

<Schiemann> is German; Brechenmacher (under Schi(e)man(n)) indicates two independent origins for this name: an east German variant of Simon (e.g. Caspar Schieman 1644); and a northwest German occupation “steer-man, pilot” (no citations given).

<der Klein> is German for “the Small”. This is a descriptive byname.

Maura d’Oré     (Esfenn)     New Name and New Device

Argent, on a pile inverted throughout azure between two chalices sable a dove rising, wings displayed and inverted argent.
Submitter desires a female name and will not accept MAJOR changed to the name. Would like her name to be authentic to 12th Century French. Submitter will not allow the creation of a holding name.

<Maura> is from Dauzat and Rostaing (p. 636 s.n. Ste-Maure). Shown as S. Maura as a form of this placename in 1136. Therefore, at least one saint (probably the saint known as Maura of Troyes, d. 850) was certainly known by this name in France in the 12th C. As such, the name Maura may be registered in the context of a 12th C French Name (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Saint.html#Maura).

<d’Oré> is the French translation for “Golden”.

Meghan Forde      (Crosston)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Sable, a dragon passant wings adorsed argent and a ford.
Name registered 07/2003 via Artemesia.



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