Minutes of the April, 2009 Heralds Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 19 April 2009, at the home of Eilis in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:21 pm and ended at 3:15 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Elysant atten Oke, Sable Swan; Vigdís vestfirzka, Compline; Na’arah bt Avraham, Banner; Jared of Castlewood, Pinnacle; Frederick of Holland, Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, Richard Stewart, Pursuivants; Ghislaine d’Auxerre guest; and Astrið of Swansvale, Matins.

The meeting schedule in 2009 is May 17, June 7 (in Silver Desert/Reno), August 23, September 20, October 18, and November 15, January 10, 2010. There will be no meeting in July or December, 2009. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.



Eilis, Vesper- No report

Moira, Green Cloak Herald- No report

Nara’ah, Banner- Done some training, helped with more baronial and other ceremonies. Still looking for deputy/successor.

Wilhelm, Baldric- No heralds’ track planned for Collegium.

Owen, Latimer- Have a replacement pole for consultation table pavilion. Peregrin from Silver Desert was of great assistance at March Crown. Maxen ap Morgan ran table at Mists Coronet. Last minute invitation to Southern Shores Newcomers’ Tourney – lots of people consulting.

Coronation – too much court time, not enough time to consult. Historically very few people come for help.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet- Meetings have been held regularly. Caught up on everything but the April 1st letters last meeting. Assistants are progressing in knowledge. Miach has been rostered as a P.E.

Hirsch, Golem- No report.

Gillian, Seawolf- No report.

Elysant, Sable Swan - No event to report.

Isabel, Stellanordica- No report.


From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

KWHSS 2009 will be held in The Barony of the Lonely Tower in the Kingdom of Calontir September 4-7, 2009. This is Omaha, Nebraska.

November 14 (Heraldic Collegium).

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Sandstedt / PO Box 1346 / Sparks NV 89432-1346).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Matins Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.


The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - December 2008 and January 2009
(No LoI)

In Service,

Astrith of Swansvale
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 19 April, XLIII (2009)


Fáelán ua hEógain – New Device Change

Vert, a horse rampant contourney argent, a bordure Or.
Old Device: (Dec 2004 West) Azure, on a chevron sable fimbriated, three triquetras argent. The submitter will keep his old device as a badge.

Gareth Hadley - New Name
Gareth dated to 1593 at http://medievalscotland.org/problem.names/gareth.shtml, which cites Withycombe and Dunkling & Gosling.

Hadley “a good many Hadleys in those counties in the 1500’s”, the counties being Staffordshire and Shropshire, from a web page for the Hadley Society at http://www. Hadleysociety.org/pages/british_origens.html.

John McShea- New Name and New Device

Per chevron argent and azure, two natural panthers rampant addorsed sable, and a friendly castle issuant from base Or.
John: A popular English given name. E.g., "Masculine Given Names Found in the 1523 Subsidy Roll for York and Ainsty, England" by Karen Larsdatter http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/york16/given-masc-alpha.htm cites 283 instances of the spelling <John>.

McShea: Woulfe lists <O'Shea> as an Anglicized form of the Irish <{O'} S{e'}aghdha>. The "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Ségdae" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) at http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Segdae.shtml cites an <Aedh mac Segda> from 1127-34.

Combining these, <McShea> seems plausible as a hypothetical Anglicized form of the Irish patronymic <mac Segda>.

Linnet of Beaumaris - New Name and New Device

Azure, a seagriffin Or, on a chief argent, five lozenges palewise sable.
Submitter desires a feminine name.

Linnet - Reaney and Wilson at Talan Gwynek = Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyintro.html. [under header Lina as Linet 1275 Linnett, LInota 1279 Lineett].

Beaumaris - place in Anglesey, Wales. Beaumaris.

Dated reference to that being period name of castle - 1296 from online web page: http://domesdaymaps.com/Welsh+Place+Names+Index.htm and http://www.beaumaris.org.uk/heritage2.html and http://www.castlewales.com/beaumar.html.

Ekwall: Beau p. 32-33 several period compounds from as early as the 13th century.

p. 314 under header Marishes in Domesday Book and later sources, manors ending in marec, examples of -mares.

Encyclopedia Brittanica. 1964. Volume 3 page 342. header Beaumaris (Bowmares), a market town and municipal borough in the Isle of Anglesey, Wales. Castle was built by Edward (1295-1323). The town on drained marshland (beau marais) was made a borough in 1294.

Additional commentary on Beaumaris, provided by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn:

As a byname: Wm vastard de frach Beumares (Roberts, 1406) and Galfridi filii Willelmi le Shermon de Bello Marisco (Pierce, 1334) An interesting French/Latin hybrid in the byname "the Shireman of Beaumaris".

As a place name (Anglicized French only): Beawmares (W, 1548) multiple citations from this document of this spelling

Playne Clover of Foxfield - New Name & New Device

Sable, a fox rampant within an orle Or.
Playne: Index of Names in the 1582 Subsidy Roll of London at http://ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/engfemlondon1582.html. Printout is attached.

Clover: Reaney and Wilson p. 101 under Clover has Robert le Clovier 1300, Alen Clover, John Clover, William Clovyer 1524.

Foxfield: Ekwall p. 186 lists place names using Fox + (location), such as Foxhole, Foxhall, and Foxearth, dating to the Domesday Bk., 11th C.

Ekwall cites <Foxcote> 1316, <Foxdenton> 1282, <Foxerde> 1249 (under header Foxearth), <Foxhole> 1254 (under header Foxhall), <Foxleg> 1242 (under header Foxley), <Foxton> 1254, <Foxden> 1325 & 1407 (under header Foxton), <Foxwist> 1260 & 1286. These are at least nicely consistent with the given name.

Ekwall also shows <Hertevel> DB (under header Hartfield), <Swinesfeld> 1202 (under header Swingfield), <Shipfeud> 1275 (under header Sheffield), <Benedfelda> DB (under header Bentfield), <Bramfeld> 1275 (under header Bromfield), <Fersfelde> 1212 (under header Fersfield), <Haytefeuld> 1297 (under header Hatfield Broad Oak), showing a pattern of place names meaning X + 'field' where X is some associated noun; the first three of these derive from animals (hart, swine, and sheep.)

While none of the cited period names use <-field>, Bardsley cites <Thomas Broomfield> 1588, <William de Hatfield> and <Agnes de Hatfield>, both 1273 (under header Hatfield), thus documenting the spelling <-field> in period names.


Bardsley, Charles. A dictionary of English and Welsh surnames.

Ekwall, Eilert. The concise Oxford dictionary of English place-names.

Encyclopedia Brittanica. 1964. Beaumaris. Volume 3 page 342.

Harris, Karen (Karen Larsdatter). Masculine given names found in the 1523 subsidy roll for York and Ainsty. Available at: http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/york16/given-masc-alpha.htm.

Mittleman, Josh (Arval Benicoeur). 1999. Concerning the names Gareth and Garth. Medieval Scotland,Medieval Names Archive, Problem Names Project. Available at: http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/gareth.shtml.

O'Brien, Kathleen M. (Mari Elspeth nic Bryan). Index of names in Irish annals: Ségdae. Available at: http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Segdae.shtml.

Pierce, T. Jones. 1939. Documents relating to the early history of the Borough of Caernarvon. The Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies 9:236-246.

Reaney, P.H. and R. M. Wilson. A dictionary of English surnames.

Roberts, Glyn. 1952. The Anglesey submissions of 1406. The Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies 15:39-60.

Scott, Brian M. (Talan Gwynek). 1994. Feminine given names in A Dictionary of English Surnames. Available at: http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyHZ.html.

Uckelman, Sara L. (Aryanhwy merch Catmael). 2006. Index of names in the 1582 subsidy roll of London. Available at: http://ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/engfemlondon1582.html.

W., W.W.E. 1846. Documents relating to the town and castle of Harlech. Archaeologia Cambrensis 3:246-267.

Withycombe, E.G. Oxford dictionary of English Christian names.

Woulfe, Patrick. Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish names and surnames.


Anne of Vinhold - New Name

Returned for administrative reasons.

Anne: Late Sixteenth Century Women’s Names, Women’s Names listed by frequency. http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng16.eng16ffreq.ht... (and the rest runs off the page)

Also a printout of Talen Gwyneck’s Feminine Given Names in a Dictionary of English Surnames, Part 2.

Vinhold – name of submitter’s Branch.

Ardrude Pen Waer - Resub to Kingdom Name & Device

Pean, a white Dorking cock rising proper, on a chief azure per chevron, fimbriated, two sets of four annulets interlaced, each set within another annulet, Or.
Returned for administrative reasons, as well as for problems with the name and the device.

A variation on the surnames could be documented, but would be too far apart in time from anything documentable that is close to Ardrude.

Bødil von von Ahlefeldt Sørensdattir - New Name & New Device

Or, a wolf’s head cabossed sable, orbed Or.
The combination of names was not documentable. This name combines two very different types of surnames.

The device has no differences from the registered badge for Conrad Stronghand (2/80 Meridies), Or, a wolf’s head caboshed sable, maintaining in its mouth a rose gules, barbed, seeded, slipped, and leaved proper. The maintained charge does not count for difference.

It also conflicts with the registered badge for Wulfgar Ironwolf: (5/1987 AnTir), Or, a wolf's head cabossed sable within an orle gules. There is only one CD, for the removal of the orle. Also a conflict with the registered badge for Wulfere Ironshield (4/1983 Middle), Gyronny arrondi Or and gules, a wolf's head cabossed sable, with only one CD for the change in tincture of the field.

Because of the style of the wolf’s head, it may also conflict with the registered badge for Lenore of Lynxhaven (6/73), Or, a lynx's head cabossed sable, orbed Or. With at most one CD for change in type of the head.

Elise da Nizza to be associated with Elise von Sophey - New Badge

(Fieldless) A sheaf of seven lavender sprigs proper, tied with a ribbon purpure.
Visual conflict with the registered device for Sharon de Mattos da Silveria (11/89, West) Argent, chape ploye azure, a sprig of Rose of Sharon flowers Purpure, slipped and leaved vert, and with the registered badge for Lowri Amarawde o’r Maes (09/84, An Tir) Or, a basil flower purpure, slipped and leaved vert. In both cases, there is only one CD, because the badge is fieldless.

Barony of Eskalya – New Badge

Per fess sable and Or, a sun within six mullets in annulo, all counterchanged.
Returned for administrative reasons. Drawn as a roundel inside the square badge form, need current signatures from the Baron, Baroness, and Seneschal.

Nezetta a Porta d’Oro - New Name & New Device

Per chevron sable and Or, 2 billets and a bee counterchanged.
Nezetta is cited as a feminine Italian given name from 14-15th C Florence online at http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/italian.html.

However, neither the use of <a> with <Porte> nor the use of <d’Oro> as a period name were documentable.

No conflicts were found for the device, but it had to be returned for lack of a registerable name.

Üta Kathrina Felhamer - Resub Device – resubmission/appeal to Kingdom

Quarterly sable and Or, a harpy displayed gules.
We compared this to the forms in our files for the registered badge for Alissandra Olympia Martiesssa de Constantine, Sable, a two-headed harpy displayed with tongues pf fire proper, crined sable, plumed gules, taloned Or, fimbriated Or. We consider this a clear visual conflict. It would have been sent on to Laurel as an appeal not supported by the West Kingdom College of Arms, but it had to be returned for redrawing.

Yuri-Kazimierz ha-Nakdan - New Name & New Device

Checky gules and argent, a feather bendwise sinister, per fess enhanced azure and Or, a bordure argent.
Wickenden states that double given names can be found in Russian so long as they are not both Christian names. We have no evidence whether the same is true of Polish, but it seems possible that <Yuri Kazimierz> could be accepted as a double given name. We have found no support for the hyphenation.

The epithet "ha-Nakdan" means the "the grammarian", and was applied to those who had published extensive works on Hebrew grammar. The examples we found are in England, France, possibly Germany, in the 12th - 13th centuries B.C.E., before the influences of the Spanish schools were felt.

Similarly the epithet "ha-Nagid" (the prince, or the Vizier) was used in Spain and Egypt by the Jews for the leaders of the Jewish communities, who might also have other titles in the court. Shemuel Halevi ben Joseph ha-Nagid or Samuel ha-Nagid, might also be know as Samuel Halevi ibn Nagdela at court.

As near as we can tell, the ha-Nakdan was not a description, but an honorific.

The device would have to be returned with the name, in any event. However, the blazon does not correctly describe the tincture division of the feather nor the way in which it is tilted.


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Uckelman, S. L. (Aryanhwy merch Catmael) 1998-2003, 2005-2006, 2009. Viking Names found in the Landnamabok" [http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html].

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Wickenden of Thanet, Paul. A Dictionary of Period Russian Names. Free Trumpet Press West, Normal, Il. 2000.

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