Minutes of the September, 2008 Heralds Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 21 September XLIII (2008)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 21 September 2008, at the home of Eilis in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:45 pm and ended at 4:15 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Astrið of Swansvale, Brachet; Moira O'Connor, Greencloak; Na'arah bat Avraham, Banner; Walraven von Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Elysant atten Oke, Sable Swan; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric; Frederick of Holland, Gwenhwyfaer ferch Morgan, and Maxen ap Owen, Pursuivants; Ema FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull Pursuivant; Peregrine Gray, Matilda FitzRichard of Lockaven, and Jared of Castlewood, Pursuivants Extraordinary; Elizbeta Korotkaia, Cornet; Christophe D'Avignon, visitor; and Vigdís vestfirzka, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The schedule for meetings in 2008 is October 26 and November 16. No December Meeting. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced. The proposed schedule for meetings in 2009 are January 4, March 7 & 8, April 19, May 17, June 7.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

PERSONNEL -- CHANGES:

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE:


REPORTS

Na'arah Banner: Doing repairs & refurb on regalia. Now have 2 ½ Baronies completed for Ceremonies. Still working with the remaining Baronies.

Astrith Brachet: Up to date thanks to the extra help. The Pennsic letters are starting to come in, so we need more help.

Sacramento meetings are happening every Monday night. Things are going well, but need more people.

Moira Greencloak: October Crown is in 2 weeks. We need voices! We now have baldrics and field flags, still need duty tabards. There is a sunshade being picked up before Crown.

Owen Latimer: Crown is in 2 weeks. The pavilion for the consultation table has arrived. There will be an "open house" to show it off. All Branch Heralds and book heralds are invited to stop by to see what we have to offer for consultation. More of the book order has arrived. We now have 4 volumes of Medieval Danish Names.

Wilhelm Baldric: Some minor bobbles at June Crown, but everything was handled. Herald's Collegium is in November, what sort of classes do we want?

Hirsch Golem: Everything's working ...

Gillian Seawolf: no report

Elysant Sable Swan: M/C War happened. Court on Saturday was fine, there was a small problem on Sunday, but that is being dealt with.

Isabel Stellanordica: no report


ANNOUNCEMENTS

From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

UPCOMING EVENTS
Herald's Collegium is November 15. We will be holding it at Mechanic's Bank in Hercules, CA. Site opens at 9 am, site fee is $4 for SCA members & $7 for non-members.

GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Sandstedt / PO Box 1346 / Sparks NV 89432-1346).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.

CYNAGUAN COMMENTING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.


EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR

The LoAR for February 2008 was published in May 2008. The LoAR for March 2008 was published in June 2008. The LoAR for April 2008 was published in July 2008. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

Successor as Laurel is Mistress Olwynn ni Chinnéidigh, of the Kingdom of Atlantia. She will be working with Tanczos Istvan as Wreath and Aryanhwy merch Catmael as Pelican.

WEST - Acceptances - February 2008
(October 2007 LoI)

Allene Wendell Montgomery. Reblazon of device. Per bend argent and vert, a pile bendwise inverted throughout and overall a cucumber leaf bendwise sinister all counterchanged.
This device was registered in August 1979, and reblazoned in May 1985 as Gyronny of four from dexter chief argent and vert, a cucumber leaf bendwise sinister counterchanged. We have no examples of either Gyronny of four or Gyronny (of any number) issuant from the edge of the field in period armory; we might, in a pinch, accept the latter, but not the former, and certainly not both. This arrangement is visually a pile issuant from sinister base with an overall leaf, all counterchanged, and we have so reblazoned it.

Angelo d'Amico. Device. Per fess embattled argent and azure, two bunches of grapes and a Latin cross counterchanged.

Artos Barefoot. Reblazon of device. Or, a brown bear statant erect affronty proper, maintaining in its dexter forepaw a hammer and its sinister forepaw a sword inverted, standing atop an anvil sable.
Registered in August 1983 with the blazon Or, a brown bear displayed proper, maintaining in its forepaws a hammer and a sword inverted, standing atop an anvil sable, the term displayed is not suitable for a quadruped. The anvil is equivalent to maintained charge.

Élise da Nizza. Alternate name Élise von Sophey.

Flann ua Donndubáin. Name.
Submitted as Flann Donnubán, the submitter noted that the name Donnubán means "a dark, swarthy person," and argued that it, therefore, should be allowed as a descriptive byname. Unfortunately, we only have evidence for Donnubán (and its variants) as a given name (or with appropriate grammar changes as patronymics based on the given name). We have no evidence of this word used as a descriptive byname. Because unmarked patronymics are not found in Gaelic names, we must add a patronymic marker and tweak the grammar/spelling in order to register this name. The submitter indicated that he was most interested in a 10th C form of this name; in the 10th C, the appropriate spellings would be Middle Irish. The normalized Middle Irish form of the byname is Donndubán, and the expected genitive form is Donndubáin. We have changed the name to Flann ua Donndubáin in order to register it, and to correct the grammar.

If the submitter is interested in a name with a somewhat different sound, but with the meaning "dark, swarthy", we suggest Flann Donn. The byname Donn appears as the standard Middle Irish Gaelic form of this name in Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Index to Names in Irish Annals" (http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex); this article finds an example of the name in use in the 12th C.

Juliana of Avon. Device. Lozengy argent and sable, on a bend cotised Or, three crescents azure.

Roy des Cascades. Reblazon of device. Per bend gules and argent, a pile bendwise inverted throughout counterchanged.
This device was registered in September 1971 with the blazon Gyronny of four from dexter chief gules and argent. We have no examples of either Gyronny of four or Gyronny (of any number) issuant from the edge of the field in period armory; we might, in a pinch, accept the latter, but not the former, and certainly not both. This arrangement is visually a pile issuant from sinister base and counterchanged, and we have so reblazoned it.

Saint Guinefort, College of. Branch name and device. Vert, a greyhound's head erased contourny argent collared sable within a laurel wreath Or.

WEST - Returns - February 2008
(October 2007 LoI)

WEST - Acceptances - March 2008
(November 2007 LoI)

Anna de Serra. Name and device. Gules, in pale a sunflower and a bee Or.
While sunflowers are New World flowers, Parker cites a single instance in English heraldry dated 1614: the arms of Florio (originally from Spain), blazoned Azure, a heliotrope (or sunflower) or issuing from the stalk sprouting out of two leaves vert; in chief the sun in splendour proper. Therefore the use of a sunflower is not a step from period practice.

The fact that Florio's arms have both a sun and a sunflower is evidence that period heralds did not consider these to be the same charge. Therefore, the submitted device is clear of the flag of Macedonia, Gules, a sun Or. There is a CD for adding the bee and another for the difference between a sun and a sunflower.

Annora Raines. Name.

Sarah Wydville. Device. Per fess argent and paly argent and sable, in canton a rose, a bordure sable.

Uther Schiemann der Hunt. Badge. Per saltire gules and sable, a cross gurgity Or.

WEST - Returns - March 2008
(November 2007 LoI)

WEST - Acceptances - April 2008
NO DECEMBER 2007 MEETING

None!

In Service,

Vigdís vestfirzka
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 21 September, XLIII (2008)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL -- OCTOBER LOI

Aurelia de Montfort     (Vinhold)     New Name and New Device

Or, a brock rampant sable and a chief urdy purpure.
Submitter desires a female name and will not accept major changes.

Aurelia: Academy of St. Gabriel report #1811 shows a reference to a saint named Aurelia born c. 950-960; she is described as a French nun who spent most of her life in Austria. (Morlet, Marie-Therese, _Les Noms de Personne sur le Territoire de l'Ancienne Gaule du VIe au XIIe Siecle_, three volumes (Paris: Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, 1972).

de Montfort: from Reaney & Wilson dated to 1086 on p. 313 under the header spelling Montford.


Celine Angeli de Moneta     (Mists)     Resubmission of Device to Laurel
Sable, four swords in cross joined at the hilt argent within a bordure Or.
Submitter's name was registered August 2003.

The 03/2008 submission of Sable, four sword in cross joined at the pommel argent, a chief Or had to be returned for several reasons: 1) It is on the wrong form. The proper form is dated 13 Feb 2007. 2) Not enough forms were included. There must be 3 color copies and one line drawing. Only one form was sent. 3) The chief is not large enough. It should be approximately 1/3 of the shield. Additionally, the chief would have to be submitted with a non-metalic yellow, as Laurel will not accept metalics. It is suggested to make the swords thicker and the hilts/pommel more prominent.

This submission is on the proper form, replaces the chief with a bordure, and includes the correct number of forms.

The device Sable, four swords in cross conjoined at the pomel argent was returned by Laurel on the 8/03 LoAR stating: The device conflicts with Balthazar Thornguard, Sable, a sword inverted argent, the blade enflamed proper. There is one CD for changing the number of swords. As noted in the LoAR of October 2001, concerning Balthazar Thornguard's device, "as drawn in Balthazar's arms, the flames are not significant enough to be worth difference."

The submitter has added a bordure. This gives two CDs from Balthazar's device.


Drogo the Quiet     (St. Brendan)     New Name and New Device
Per pale argent and vert, a bend sinister between two mullets of four points, counterchanged.
Submitter desires a male name.

Drogo: Whithycombe (p. 89) shows <Drogo> under the header spelling Drogo. "Drewsteignton (Devon) was held by one Drogo in 1210 and is called Teyngton Drue in 1275." Druet(tus) or Drogo HR 1273.

the Quiet: The OED has the modern spelling of Quiet dated back to the 14th Century. Reaney and Wilson shows leCoi dated to 1203 meaning quiet/still on p. 114 under the header spelling Coy. We are using the translation of leCoi under the Linguica Anglica allowance.


Gerald the Tiny     (Caldarium)     New Name and See Returns for New Device

Submitter desires a male name.

There was a Gerald of Wales (c. 1146 - c. 1223), also known as Gerallt Gymro in Welsh or Giraldus Cambrensis in Latin, was a medieval clergyman and chronicler of his times.

Gerald is under the header spelling Gerald dated to 1277 as the patronymic Richard Gerald in R&W (3rd ed) p.188


Glenna Colquhoun     (Caldarium)     New Name and See Returns for Device

Submitter desires a female name.

Glenna is the submitter's legal given name. A copy of her driver license is attached.

Colquhoun is from Black (Surnames of Scotland) p. 163 under the header "Colquhoun", dated in this spelling to before 1261.


Isolte le Quite     (Golden Rivers)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom
Quarterly azure and sable, in bend two hummingbirds displayed argent.
Submitter's name was included on the West Kingdom 2/08 LoI.

Original submission of Quarterly azure and sable, in bend two hummingbirds volant wings elevated argent and in bend sinister two demi-suns Or was returned for the appearance of marshalling.


Olivia Bunny     (Winter's Gate)     Resubmission of Device to Laurel
Or, a brown rabbit salient proper, a bordure vert semy of cinquefoils Or.
Submitter's name was registered 11/07.

Device was returned by Laurel as "A brown rabbit proper should be entirely brown; the tail of this rabbit is white. Unfortunately this is grounds for return, as was confirmed as recently as May 2007 (v. Marie Helena von Bremen)."

Submitter has re-colored the forms and made the rabbit fully brown.


Peregrine Gray     (Silver Desert)     New Name and New Device
Per pale indented bendy barry Or and azure and gules.
Submitter desires a male name and will not accept major changes.

Peregrine is under the header spelling Peregrine in Withycombe 3rd ed p. 242. St. Peregrinus in 643, Peregrine in England from the 13th C.

Gray is under the header spelling Gray, Grey, LeGrey in Reany & Wilson 3rd ed p. 203 as William Le Greie, Sewyn le Gray, Philip le Grey dated to 1296.


Rebecca Bengrek     (Darkwood)     New Name and New Device
Purpure, three triangles conjoined one and two Or, on a chief argent four hearts gules.
Submitter desires a female name.

Rebecca is the submitter's modern name (copy of driver's license attached). Bengrek is Welsh for "curly-head". A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/welsh13.html) shows [Pengrych] as the masculine form for "curly-head". The article states that "Women will always use the mutated form of a nickname, and where I have no examples of this, I have supplied what it would be..." The mutated form would be Bengrek.

English/Welsh combinations should not constitute a weirdness.


Reinold Haldane     (Allyshia)     New Name and New Device
Per chevron argent and sable, in base a stag's attire Or.
Submitter desires a male name, authentic to 12th century England.

Reinold: Under the header of Reynold in Whythicombe on p.252 Reinold(us) in the Domesday Book 1086.

Haldane: is from R&W p.212 under the header of Haldane as Roger Haldane dated to 1255. Submitter also will accept the spelling Haldein which dated from the Domesday Book 1086.

This device may conflict with device of Richard Foulweather Quarterly vert and sable a stag's massacre Or. However, the submitted device has the stag's attire moved to base, which is not a forced move. This may be enough of a change to clear the conflict. We do not feel comfortable making the call and ask Laurel to make this decision.


Roric Skaghen     (Prov. Mists)     New Name and New Device
Or, two bulls courant respectant within a bordure gules.
Roric is in DGP's first name Volume 1 under the header of Rørik in column 1188. The two possible spellings are Røric and Rorik, this shows the useage without a slashed O.

Skaghen is under the header Skaghen dated to 1338 in DGP's surnames Volume 2 column 959.


Safiyya bint Bulus al-Mariyyah     (Far West)     New Name

Submitter desires a female name. Saint Gabriel report #3288 is for this submitter. (http://www.s-gabriel.com/3288.html)

Safiyya: <S.afiiyah> was the name of one of the Prophet's wives, recorded in the al-Andalus in the 11th & 12th centuries. This is from "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm)

bint Bulus: means 'daughter of Paul'. "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm) states that the correct particle for daughter of is bint. According to the St. Gabriel report, the Apostle Paul was known as <Bulus> in Arabic. Submitter will accept <Paulus> in place of <Bulus>.

al Mariyyah: The St. Gabriel report states that the byname <al-Mari> means 'from Almaria' and was used in the al-Andalus in the 8th to 12th centuries. The feminine form would be <al-Mariyyah>.


ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Amund Almvarðr      (Winter's Gate)      Return of New Name and New Device

Per chevron vert crussily Or and Or.
Submitter desires a male name.

Amund is a Finnish name from Vanhat nimityyppimme (Finnish Names article http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/FinnishNamesArticle.htm). Listed are Amvnd Olafson 1462, FMU IV 3165.Amundh Nilson 1571, HHV p. 74.

Almvarðr is a constructed name. It is a combination of alm- and -varðr. Alm- is from OW.Norse almr meaning "elm-tree". -varðr is from OW.Norse vörðr meaning "watchman, warder".

Almvardr is not justifiable as a surname. The only uses of alm- are in protheme (the first part of a two part name) Elm-Spear or Elm-Stone. We would need evidence of other uses of "tree+warder" in Old Norse.

This device conflicts with device of Huette Aliza von und Zu Ährens und Mechthildberg Chequy purpure cruissily Or and Or.


Gerald the Tiny      (Caldarium)      Return of New Device
Chevronelly Or and azure, an owl's head erased argent.
The device must be returned, as it conflicts with the device of Serena Lucia of the Peacemakers Gyronny vert and Or a snowy owl's head erased affronty proper. Also conflicts with the badge of Merric of Stormgate (fieldless) An owl's head cabossed argent, maintaining in it's beak a candle fesswise azure lit at both ends proper.


Glenna Colquhoun      (Caldarium)      Return of New Device
Vert, a cat rampant guardant within a bordure indented Or.
This conflicts with the device of Laszlo Oroszlanveri Vert, a lion rampant dismembered Or, multiply vulned gules.

We cannot keep the addition of Luss, as "Sir Robert Colquhoun married the heiress of Humphrey de Luss thus becoming the lord of Colquhoun and Luss. In 1497 John Colquhoun of Luss..." Luss is part of the family lands. This formation is presumptious.

of Luss: Luss (Lus in Gaelic) is a village in Argyll & Bute, Scotland, on the west bank of Loch Lomond. Its original name is Clachan dubh, or 'dark village'. There are gravestones dated to the 7th/8th century located in the village.


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