Minutes of the November, 2008 Heralds Meeting

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The January 4th meeting will be held at the Ramada Inn in Santa Nella, CA. We would like to get started at 10 AM.
All branch heralds are expected to attend. If you are unable to attend, please contact Vesper before the meeting.

MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 16 November XLIII (2008)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 16 November 2008, at the home of Eilis in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:45 pm and ended at 2:51 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Astrið of Swansvale, Brachet; Na'arah bat Avraham, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric; Walraven von Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Elysant atten Oke, Sable Swan; Frederick of Holland, Richard Stewart, and Maxen ap Owen, Pursuivants; Ema FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull Pursuivant; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for St. Katherines; Matilda FitzRichard of Lockaven, Jared of Castlewood, and Peregrine Gray, Pursuivants Extraordinary; Elzbeta Korotkaia, cornet; and Vigdís vestfirzka, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The meeting schedule in 2009 is January 4, March 7 & 8, April 19, May 17, June 7. Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced. The proposed schedule for meetings

The January 4th meeting will be held at the Ramada Inn in Santa Nella, CA. We would like to get started at 10 AM. All branch heralds are expected to attend. If you are unable to attend, please contact Vesper before the meeting.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE:


REPORTS

There was a Senior Staff meeting held at Herald’s Collegium.

No reports were given at the Matins meeting.


ANNOUNCEMENTS

From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

UPCOMING EVENTS
Herald's Collegium is November 15. We will be holding it at Mechanic's Bank in Hercules, CA. Site opens at 9 am, site fee is $4 for SCA members & $7 for non-members.

KWHSS 2009 will be held in The Barony of the Lonely Tower in the Kingdom of Calontir September 4-7, 2009. This is Omaha, Nebraska.

GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Sandstedt / PO Box 1346 / Sparks NV 89432-1346).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.

CYNAGUAN COMMENTING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.


EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR

The no new LoAR has been published yet.

In Service,

Vigdís vestfirzka
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 16 November, XLIII (2008)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

(Due to unforeseen circumstances, this Letter of Intent that should have been published in December was unfortunately not published until January. I apologize for any inconvenience. – Matins Herald)

Brighid Draweswerd     (Tarnmist)     Resubmission to Kingdom of New Name
Submitter desires a female name. Original submission was Brigid of Ferriter Island, returned in the 6/07 minutes.

<Brighid> is a later period spelling of a feminine Gaelic name, listed in OC&M (p36, s.n. Brigit).

<Draweswerd> is an English byname dated to 1316 and 1327 in R&W (p141, s.n. Drawsword). There is a step from period practice for the combination of a Gaelic and English spelling in the same name.


Brigit the Chaste     (Prov. Mists)     New Name and New Device

Per pale indented gules and counter-ermine.
Submitter desires a female name and will not accept MAJOR changes.

<Brigit> is an early spelling of a feminine Gaelic name, listed in OC&M (p36, s.n. Brigit).

<Chaste> is from Middle English Nicknames in the Lay Subsidy Rolls for Warwickshire by Ingrid Hjertstedt on p. 84 under the header spelling “Chast” Hjertstedt has the spellings <Chast> from 1327 and <Cast> from 1332, but states the meaning is 'chaste'. The OED has a single citation of the spelling of the word <chaste> from 1225 under the meaning 'pure from unlawful sexual intercourse', a citation from 1315 as 'celibate', citations from 1340 and 1450 as 'morally pure', and a citation from 1526 as 'eunuch'. There is a step from period practice for the combination of a Gaelic and English spelling in the same name.


Castellana del Mar     (Esfenn)     New Name and New Device
Ermine, a butterfly and a chief engrailed azure.
Submitter desires a female name and will not accept MAJOR or MINOR changes.

<Castellana> is from Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century by Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/isabella/index.html).

<del Mar> is a locative meaning “of the sea”. It is properly formed per 16th Century Spanish Names by Elsbeth Anne Roth (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/spanish/index.html). The article also cites the locative surname <de la Mar>. In modern Spanish, 'mar' can be either masculine or feminine.


Elzbeta Korotkaia     (Silver Desert)     New Name and New Device

Argent three fleur de lys and on a bordure wavy gules semy-de-lys argent.
Submitter desires a female name.

<Elzbeta> was the daughter of Andreii II dated to 1235 in Wickenden (3rd ed) on p. 81 under the header spelling of Elisaveta.

<Korotkaia> is the feminine form of the adjective meaning “short”. Wickenden (3rd ed) shows <Korotkaia> on p. 161 as the header spelling, dated to 1472 as a feminine byname.


Jehanne la rousse     (Westermark)     New Name
Submitter desires a female name and will not accept MAJOR changes. She cares most about language/culture of French/Norman.

<Jehanne> is listed multiple times dated between 1478 and 1561 in Parish Register Entries From the Town of Croissic in south-eastern Brittany (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/latebreton.html#articlecite). Also, <Jehanne> is listed as <Jehanne la Normande> in “An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris” (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html).

Submitter originally had <la Rouge> as the byname; however, as she asks for her name to be changed to be authentic for 12th century French, we have modified the byname to be <la rousse> which means the same thing but is documented to 1292 as <Aalis la rousse> in “An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris” (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html).


Joshua FitzRoberts     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and New Device

Purpure a winged natural tiger couchant wings elevated and adorsed argent.
Submitter desires a male name and cares most about sound.

<Joshua> is the submitter’s legal given name. A copy of the birth certificate is included in submission. Withycombe says: "Joshua came into use as a Christian name in England after the Reformation." The article "Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names" http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng16/eng16alpha.html cites a single instance of <Joshua>. These names are taken from court records dating from 1581-1595.

<FitzRoberts> is the registered surname of the submitter’s mother & sister. Danaë FitzRoberts registered 4/98 and Branwyn FitzRoberts registered 1/06. There is a copy of the submitter’s birth certificate included in the submission.


Medb inghean Rónáin     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and New Device

Per chevron azure and vert a natural tiger rampant between three butterflies argent.
Submitter desires a female name and cares most about the language/culture of Irish.

<Medb> appears in the "Index of Names in Irish Annals" under the header 'Meadhbh': http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Meadhbh.shtml The single instance of the spelling <Medb> is dated 1582. The earliest citation for any spelling is <Medbh> in 1441.

The index also lists <Rónáin> as the genitive of the masculine name <Rónán>, but with no examples dated later than 1117: http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Ronan.shtml

According to "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names (3rd Edition)", http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/index.shtml feminine patronymics do not lenite when the father's name starts with an 'R'.  The same article gives <ingen> as the pre-1200 spelling and <inghean> as the post-1200 spelling of the marker.

The disparity in the dates is a step from period practice.


Michael an der burg     (Cloondara)     New Name / see Returns for New Device
<Michael> is from Whithycombe p. 218 as the header spelling, dated between 1196 and 1346.

<an der burg> Submitter originally submitted Anderburg as one word. However, we could not find documentation for Anderburg as one word. We feel that <an der Burg> is the more period form. Brechenmacher’s Etymologisches Worterbuch der Deutschen Familiennamen (vol. I, p 30-31) has various <an dem X and <an der X> names cited. Also, p.249 s.n. Burg also cites <Reinbot von der Burg> from 1372 and <Ulr. Von der Burg> from 1475. Bahlow’s Dictionary of German Names (p.15 sn. Anderegg) cites the header as ‘living on the corner’, with <an der Egge> dated to 1248, plus <Anderangst> ‘at the narrowest place’, <Andergast> ‘at the alley’, <an der gassen> 1286 (‘gassen’ = ‘street’), <Anderhalden> (‘halden’ = ‘slag heaps’?), <Andermatt> (‘matt’ = ‘meadow’).


Nicole an der burg     (Cloondara)     New Name /see Returns for New Device
<Nicole> is in Whithycombe p. 228 under the header spelling Nicola stated as “Nicholaa is not infrequent in medieval Latin records, but is no doubt merely a latinization of Nicholas when borne by a woman, who would in the vernacular have been simply Nicol or Nicolas. Nicole, Nicolette, Colette are fairly common in France and are occasionally borrowed in England.”

<an der burg> Submitter originally submitted Anderburg as one word. However, we could not find documentation for Anderburg as one word. We feel that <an der Burg> is the more period form. Brechenmacher’s Etymologisches Worterbuch der Deutschen Familiennamen (vol. I, p 30-31) has various <an dem X and <an der X> names cited. Also, p.249 s.n. Burg also cites <Reinbot von der Burg> from 1372 and <Ulr. Von der Burg> from 1475. Bahlow’s Dictionary of German Names (p.15 sn. Anderegg) cites the header as ‘living on the corner’, with <an der Egge> dated to 1248, plus <Anderangst> ‘at the narrowest place’, <Andergast> ‘at the alley’, <an der gassen> 1286 (‘gassen’ = ‘street’), <Anderhalden> (‘halden’ = ‘slag heaps’?), <Andermatt> (‘matt’ = ‘meadow’).


Violet Ruthvene     (Crosston)     New Name and New Device

Purpure, a reremouse and in chief three chalices in chevron argent.
Submitter desires a female name and will not accept MAJOR changes.

<Violet> is from “Scots Women’s Names 1464-1598” (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/perth.html). It appears thirteen times dated between 1545-1587.

<Ruthvene> is from “Scots Women’s Names 1464-1598” (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/perth.html). It appears one time, dated to 1568.

Both elements are dated to 1568 in the cited source, so there is complete compatibility of both name elements geographically and temporally.


ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Laeg Schiemann the Small     (Prov. Mists)     Return of New Name and New Device

Per pale argent and sable, two crosses formy fitchey counterchanged.
Submitter desires a male name and will not accept any MAJOR or MINOR changes.

This name is not registerable for two reasons. (1) As submitted, it mixes Gaelic and German in a single name submission (Precedent: Hagen Seanaeiche, LoAR Dec 1994). (2) "Laeg" is not a given name; it is Danish for "calf", and the word seems to have been borrowed into Gaelic with that meaning. To register a name, he will have to include a given name in his submission. Since the submitter allows no changes, this name must be returned.


Michael an der burg     (Cloondara)     Return of New Device

Per bend sinister sable and argent, in bend sinister three birds volant contourny counterchanged.
This device is being returned for a redraw. The birds are not recognizable. They should be slightly larger and reduce the internal detailing.


Nicole an der burg     (Cloondara)     Return of New Device

Argent a pomegranate tree eradicated vert fructed gules a chief embattled sable.
Device must be returned for conflict with the important non-sca arms of O’Connor Don, Argent a tree eradicated vert. Also, it conflicts with the device of Ysmay du Parc Argent, a tree proper on a chief embattled sable three fluer d’lys argent.


Reina Silverwolf     (Silver Desert)     Return of New Name and New Device

Sable, two wolf heads couped addorsed, conjoined at the neck argent on a chief engrailed Or three decresents gules.
Submitter desires a female name and will not accept MAJOR changes.

<Reina> is from Withycombe, p. 251 under the header spelling Regina with the quote “Regina and Reina occur in 13th century Latin records”.

<Silverwolf> is an invented last name. However, we were unable to document “silver-“ or “argent-“ animal as a byname, so we must return the name for further work.

The device seems to be clear; however, as we do not have a name to send it on with it must also be returned.


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