Minutes of the February, 2008 Heralds Meeting

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The West Coast Voice Heraldry Collegium is being held on March 8 & 9 in Sacramento, CA at the Holiday Inn Sacramento Northeast. See http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Collegium.htm for more information.

All heralds who are holding property of the College should send a list of the property to Eilis ASAP.



The meeting was held on Sunday, 3 February 2008, at home of Baroness Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:40 pm and ended at 2:00 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Na'arah bat Avraham, Banner; Edith de Laufare, Nebuly Pursuivant; Wilhelm von Homburg, Sable Swan and Baldric; Emma FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull Pursuivant; Frederick of Holland, Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym and Maxen ap Morgan, Pursuivants; Matilda FitzRichard, PE; Elysant atten Oke, Cornet; and Vigdis vestfirzka, Matins.

The schedule for meetings in 2008 is March 9 (at the Holiday Inn Sacramento Northeast), April 13, May 18, June 8, August 16 (Saturday!), September 21, October 26 and November 16. Meetings start at noon.

The Spring Herald's Collegium has been expanded and is now the West Coast Voice Heraldry Collegium. It will be in Sacramento at the Holiday Inn Sacramento Northeast and will be March 8 and 9, 2008. Details are available at the Heraldic Collegium page of the Heralds' website.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.




Na'arah Banner: Starting to do Barony visitations. This month is Tarnmist.

Astrith Brachet: The last two Brachet meetings this month may be cancelled. Stay tuned to the herald's list.

Moira Greencloak: Nothing to report.

Owen Latimer: Working on getting organized for the upcoming season.

Wilhelm Baldric: The WackVac is next month! Reserve your room before February 15 if you are staying at the hotel. Please book ASAP. To get the meeting rooms for free, we need to have 40 'room nights' booked. At last count, there were 14 reserved.

Please be aware that when submitting awards lists online: Please, Please, Please make sure that items are in the correct columns and that names and awards are spelled correctly.

Hirsch Golem: Nothing to report. But is continuing the formatting of the Ceremony Books to Word.

Gillian Seawolf: No report

Wilhelm Sable Swan: Winter Investiture was heraldically successful. Elysant and I are beginning to transition the office beginning at July Investiture.

Isabel Stellanordica: No report.


From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

The 2008 Known World Heraldic and Scribes Symposium will be held in the Kingdom of Drachenwald (London, England) on September 5-7, 2008, which is Labor Day weekend.


SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Beginning with the January 2008 meeting, submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Sandstedt / PO Box 1346 / Sparks NV 89432-1346).

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at or Eilis at 510-486-0633.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.


No LoAR for this period.

In Service,

Vigdís vestfirzka
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 3 February, XLII (2008)


Aelesia Marschal     (Tarnmist)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Azure, three catamounts rampant argent, in chief an increscent Or.
Submitter's name was registered April 2005.

This was returned for a redraw of the "cats" They looked more like wolves except for the head. A cat's tail should be smooth all the way down. No conflicts were found at the November 2007 meeting.

The submitter asked me via email to 'smooth' the tails, and resubmit the original forms.

Emrys Coedwig     (Caer Darth)     New Name and See Returns for New Device
Male / NO Major changes allowed / Cares most about meaning -Coedwig meaning forest and language being Welsh

Emrys is a Welsh masculine given name appearing in the index of personal names in Bartrum's /Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts/ (p.187). Save for one king dating to the end of the Roman occupation, period citations seem to be rare. In the 10/06 LoAR, the statement is made that "Llywen is, according to S. Baring-Gould and John Fischer The Lives of the British Saints: The Saints of Wales, Cornwall and Irish Saints, Volume 3, the name of a kinsman of Saint Cadlan "descended from Emrys Llydaw, that came with him from Brittany to Wales." (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2006/10/06-10lar.html)
Notes from Mistress Tangwystl:

"Emrys" derives from an early Welsh borrowing of the Latin name Ambrosius, particularly as the name of the legendary Ambrosius Aurelianus who features in the Matter of Britain found in Nennius, Geoffrey of Monmouth, etc. (In Geoffrey, Ambrosius Aurelianus is the brother of Uther Pendragon, just to put him in context.) Due to some literary confusion, the name also came to be transfered to Merlin, who is named in the 9th c. text of Nennius "Ambrosius ... id est Embreis". The spelling "Emrys" is used in Medieval Welsh and later. (General references for this information are Bromwich TYP and Bartrum WCD.)

Bartrum, Peter C.. 1993. Welsh Classical Dictionary. National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth.
Bromwich, Rachel. 1978. Trioedd Ynys Prydein. University of Wales Press, Cardiff.

Coedwig is the registered last name of the submitter's wife (Cerridwen Coedwig -LoAR August 2007).
Notes from Mistress Tangwystl:

"Coedwig" is a Welsh word meaning "woods, forest" -- it's a bit of a "four-bit word", while the basic ordinary term with this meaning is simply "coed" (the root also seen in coedwig). The Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Univ. of Wales Dictionary) cites examples of "coedwig" starting in the 14th century and of "coed" starting in the 9th century. "Coed" and "Coed + modifier" can be found as place names and as locative bynames in medieval Welsh. I haven't found examples of "coedwig" in either of these contexts. Examples from my database of locative bynames meaning "woods, forest" include the following:

Walter Coyd (Cardigan Burgesses 1300 --- Sanders 1954)
Nest Goyd (Lay Subsidy of 1292 for Whitecastle -- Hopkins 1996)
Wronou Goyd (ibid)
Thome Coyd (ministers accounts from West Wales, 1352 -- Rees 1941)

COED MAWR ("big woods")
Rob'to Coytmor (Caernarvonshire Lay Subsidy, 1597 -- Jones 1937)
Gurg' Coyt maur (Merionydd Lay Subsidy, 1292 -- Williams-Jones 1976)

Hopkins, Anthony. 1996. "The Lay Subsidy of 1292: Monmouth and the Three Castles" in Studia Celtica 30:189-196.
Jones, Emyr Gwynne. "Caernarvonshire Subsidy Roll 1597/9" in BBCSvol. 8 part 4 (May 1937) p.336-344.
Rees, William. 1941. "Ministers' Accounts (General Series), Bundle 1158, No. 3 (Public Record Office -- Accounts of the Ministers for the Lands of the Crown in West Wales for the financial year 1352-3" in BBCS 10:60-83,139-156, 156-271.
Sanders, I.J. 1954. "The Boroughs of Aberystwyth and Cardigan in the Early Fourteenth Century" in BBCS 15:282-292.
Williams-Jones, Keith. The Merioneth Lay Subsidy Roll 1292-3. Cardiff: University of Wales Press, 1976.

Flann Donnubán     (Silver Desert)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom
Argent, a heron rising wings displayed and elevated between a chevronelle throughout and a bar azure.
Submitter's name was included on the October 2007 LoI

The West College of Heralds was not sure of the viability of this emblazon, however the submitter has expressed the importance to him for all three elements.

Isolte le Quite     (Golden Rivers)     New Name (See Return for New Device and New Badge)
Female / Cares most about language/culture of 13th C. Anglo-Saxon

Isolte - documented from http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/l/Norris-W-Hillery/COL8-0028.html DeMortimer, Isolte - birth WFT Est 1200-1240 - death WFT Est 1233-1322 - marriage WFT Est 1218-1271
Withycombe (s.n. <Isolda>, pp.166-7) cites the spellings <Ysolt> from 1201 and <Isolda> from 1199. Reaney & Wilson (s.n. <Issard>, p.250) cite a <Thomas Isolde> from 1275. Between these, <Isolte> seems plausible.

le Quite - A nickname, "the white", from OE hwît, referring to hair or complection; this is a Northern spelling. (RW s.n. White; OED s.v. white; McK 36) http://my.stratos.net/~bmscott/Ormskirk_1381.html
Reaney & Wilson (s.n. , p.486) cite from 1284, showing the article. The Compact OED entries for <White> extend over 6 of the photo-reduced pages; I have not attempted to read them all, but under the definition beginning "Of the colour of snow or milk" there are citations for <quit> from c.1250 and <quyte> from c.1300. The spelling <quite> appears in the header above this definition, but I have not yet noticed a dated citation for it.

Originally submitted as Isolte le Quite of Colbri. After speaking with the submitter, it was decided to drop "of Colbri", as Colbri is the genus for hummingbirds, and not a place.

Saxi bilstyggr Tyrgeirsson     (Silver Desert)     New Name and New Device
Azure, an auroch's head cabossed within a bordure argent.
Requests a Norse name meaning "Saxi the Energetic, Son of Tyr's Spear".

Submitter compiled name using Geirr Bassi and the "English-Old Norse Dictionary" compiled by Ross G. Arthur.
"The Old Norse person name consists of three parts: 1) the given name, 2) the nickname, which is optional, and 3) the patronymic ..." (Geirr Bassi p.5) Saxi - Geir Bassi p. 14

bilstyggr - "Energetic" from the English-Old Norse Dictionary compiled by Ross G. Arthur.

Tyrgeirsson - (quote) "I am basing Tyrgeirsson on the fact that Thorgeirr was constructed, and looking at the given name there is Freysteinn. This shows a deity's name in a given name. I also saw names in given names of Bragi and Skaldi. Therefore, I make the argument that deities' names were used in mortal naming."
[Th]orgeirr - Geirr Bassi p. 16
Tyrfingr - Geirr Bassi p. 15
Freysteinn - Geirr Bassi p. 9


Emrys Coedwig     (Caer Darth)     Return of New Device

Per fess argent and azure, two oak trees fructed eradicated proper and a dragon displayed Or, detailed argent, gorged of a collar argent gem encrusted vert.
This device must be returned due to the dragon not being in either a standard displayed or a rampant wings displayed, it is more in triune aspect. It was checked for conflict at the February 2008 meeting, and appears clear of conflict.

In order for the dragon to be "winged and bellied argent" the entire wing needs to be argent. The top edge of the wing should be argent as well.

Isolte le Quite of Colibri     (Golden Rivers)     Return of New Device and New Badge
Quarterly azure and sable, in bend two hummingbirds volant wings elevated argent and in bend sinister two demi-suns Or.
This device must be returned for the appearance of marshalling.

Azure, a hummingbird volant wings displayed argent.

Returned due to conflict with the device of Francesca of Bright Angel Azure, a dove displayed head elevated argent and the House of Este Azure, and eagle diplayed argent crowned Or.

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