Minutes of the September, 2007 Herald's Meeting

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As of the January 2008 meeting, submission rates will be $6.00 per item
and $10.00 for a name and device submitted together.


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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 9 September XLII (2007)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 9 September 2007, at Eilis O'Boirne's home in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:30 pm and ended at 2:15 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Astrith of Swansvale, Brachet; Emma FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull Pursuivant; Art macCeallaigh, Acting PE for Cloondara; Gaius M.L. Auklandus, Maxen ap Morgan, and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; Elysant atten Oke, Cornet; Una inghean Conchobhair, visitor; and Vigdís vestfirzka, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The upcoming meetings are: are October 21 and November 18. The tentative schedule for meetings in 2008 is January 6, February 3, March 16, April 13, May 18, June 8, August 16 (SAT!), September 21, October 26 and November 16. Meetings start at noon. The Fall Herald's Collegium will be November 17, 2007, and the Spring Herald's Collegium will be March 15 and 16, 2008.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

REPORTS

Frederick Banner: nothing to report.
Astrith Brachet: keeping up with other kingdoms - caught up next week. Waiting for post-Pennsic slam -- recruiting. OSCAR working fairly well.
Moria Greencloak: No report.
Owen Latimer: Table has made one appearance - in Oertha. It was well-received.
Wilhelm Baldric: Fall Heralds' Collegium will be at Crystal Middle School, starting with a senior staff meeting. Afternnon classes are still to be set. West Coast Voice Heraldic Collegium planning is proceeding. We hope to have a hotel secured soon.
Gillian Seawolf: Nothing to report...this month.
Wilhelm Sable Swan: Fall Coronet is coming, and any help offered will be cheerfully accepted. Summer Investiture went well, but was under-attended. Brendan, Joseph and Elysant have been getting more court exposure. Deputies are Elysant and Brendan; Elysant is not interested in succeeding at this point and Brendan has not been communicative. Wilhelm may be willing to extend for one reign, and may be able to find a successor by that time.
Isabel Stellanordica: No report.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Submission Forms - As of May 2007, Laurel is requiring all submissions to be made on the new submission forms. No old forms will be accepted after May 2007. The new forms are on the Kingdom web site NOW. There are a number of changes on the new forms.

Name Form - If you check the authentic box, your name will be changed to be authentic even if it would otherwise be passable in its submitted form. The forms no longer have a place for alternate names. Badge Form - The badge form is now square. Branch Name Form - There is now a separate Branch Name Form to remind branches of the need for a petition, etc.

New instructions are being prepared for distribution with the new forms. We are making some changes to our submission procedures to accommodate changes by Laurel, such as requiring a line drawing for devices and badges to allow scanning into OSCAR.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

UPCOMING EVENTS
We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

The 2008 Known World Heraldic and Scribes Symposium will be held in the Kingdom of Drachenwald (London, England) on September 5-7, 2008.

PERSONNEL -- POSITION CHANGES:

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE: GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name form and documentation, 3 colored copies and 1 black and white of the device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 black and white of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

CYNAGUAN COMMENTING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

HERALDIC PUBLICATIONS
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR

The LoAR for March 2007 was published in June 2007. We did not submit a LoI for this meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lady Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - April 2007
(December 2006 LoI)

Celine Dubé. Name and device. Per pall argent, vert and azure, a triquetra inverted purpure and two more argent.

Cyrus Aurelius. Name and device. Counter-ermine, three lions Or.

Submitted as Cyrus Aurelio, the submitter indicated that his preference was for the name Cyrus Aurelius. This is a reasonable Latin form of the Italian name Ciro Aurelio. The name Ciro is in de Felice, Dizionario dei nomi italiani, s.n. Ciro, where it derives the name as the name of an early Alexandrian martyr and also of the name of the Persian king. Metron Ariston notes that the form Cyrus Aurelius is a form that might have been adopted by a Renaissance humanist. We have changed the name to Cyrus Aurelius to meet the wishes of the submitter.

Nice device.

Elysant atten Oke. Device. Gules, a tree blasted and eradicated and on a chief nebuly argent, four acorns gules.

Please advise the submitter to draw fewer nebules.

Gunther Bärenjäger. Device change. Or, on a bend purpure a mallet Or.

Nice device.

The submitter's previous device, Or, on a bend between two dragonflies purpure a mallet Or, is released.

Sieglinde von Krause. Reblazon of device. Argent, in pale a peacock, tail spread, proper perched on a linden branch fesswise vert.

Registered in January 1973 with the blazon Argent, a peacock pavonated in base proper, perched on a linden branch fesswise vert, the term pavonated simply means "colored like a peacock". The linden branch is twice as long as the peacock, thus these charges are co-primary. Please see the Cover Letter for more details on blazoning peacocks.

WEST - Returns - April 2007

Juliana of Avon. Device. Lozengy argent and sable, on a bend Or three crescents azure.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Eabha inghean Domhnaill, Lozengy argent and sable, on a bend Or a cat salient between two dumbegs palewise gules. There is a single CD for the changes to the tertiary charges.

WEST - Acceptances - May 2007 (January 2007 LoI)

Celestria Textrix. Name.

Cristina Angelini. Device. Vert, a pair of wings conjoined and in chief a Latin cross argent.

Kolskeggr skialdarbriótr fra Einkunnir. Device. Quarterly vert and argent, in fess two lightning bolts palewise Or.

Merewyn of Ynys Taltraeth. Name and badge. (Fieldless) A bat-winged amphisbaena purpure.

Amphisbaenae have feathered wings by default; the one in this submission has bat-wings, a fact that must be explicitly blazoned.

Ysabella Dolfin. Name and Device. Azure, a dolphin haurient and on a chief Or, three seeblätter azure.

WEST - Returns - May 2007

Angelo d'Amico. Device. Per fess embattled argent and azure, two bunches of grapes and a Latin cross counterchanged.

This device is returned for a redraw of the grapes. As depicted in this emblazon, the roundels forming the grape bunches are not conjoined. In fact, no part of the bunches are conjoined. This is a very modern stylization of grapes, and therefore is not registerable.

In Service,

Vigdís vestfirzka
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 9 September, XLII (2007)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Abu Shahid Malik al Haddad   (Danegeld Tor)   New Name and Device

Per saltire sable and argent, in cross a roundel between four crescents, horns outward, counterchanged.
From Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices (2nd Edition). Abu Shahid meaning Father of Shahid. Malik and Shahid are both listed in Masculine Isms (Given Names). al Haddad is listed in Masculine Cognomens Used As Isms. www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm

Allison McMurrye of Atholl   (Thistletorr)   New Name; see Returns for Device
Allison is found in Black at Alison on p.18. This spelling is dated to 1554 as a given name. The submitter originally requested the spelling as MacMurray, which is a header spelling on p.546 of Black; however, the desired spelling does not appear in period, but the spelling McMurrye is dated to 1560. As the submitter has allowed changes, we have changed the name to reflect the documented spelling. Atholl is shown as a place on p.34 of Black as the header spelling. It was used as a surname in 1592.

Blaxio Zen   (Winter's Gate)   Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Sable, a pall voided throughout between a peach tree argent fructed and two wyverns respectant Or.
Submitter's name was registered 02/07.

4/07 minutes - Sable, a pall Or between a peach tree argent fructed and two wyverns respectant Or. The previous submission used three different colors around the pall and was returned. This redesign clears that problem. However, this conflicts with the device of Constance MacCallum of Houghton, Sable, a pall between in fess two mullets of eight points Or and in chief a tower argent. There is one clear visual difference for the change of type of the secondary charges, but no other differences.

Cormac Kane   (Thistletorr)   New Name; see Returns for Device
Cormac is on p.60 of O'Corrain and Maguire, at the header spelling Cormacc. Cormac mac Cuilennain was slain in 908. Maclysaght has (O) Kane on p.170 undated; Reaney & Wilson has McKane dated to 1408 on p.80 under Cain. Kayne is dated to 1260.

Henri de Valery sur Somme   Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Per bend sinister azure and ermine, a Maltese cross counterchanged argent and azure.
The submitter's name was registered 01/04.

Úna inghean Conchobhair   New Name and Device

Or, a dragonfly purpure and on a bordure azure three triskeles Or.
Úna is on p.176 of O'Corrain and Maguire; Conchobhair is the genetive form of Conchobhar, found in O'Corrain and Maguire on p.57.

ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Allison McMurrye of Atholl   (Thistletorr)   Return of New Device

Azure a mullet of five points with a tail of three piles couped argent.
This device will have to be returned. This is not a valid depiction of a comet (aka shooting star, which is how the submittor described the charge). Additionally, the device is in conflict with the badge of Olwen the Odd: Azure, a comet bendwise inverted argent. It is also too similar to the device of Cinnion map Liuelin map Higuel: Azure, a comet bendwise sinister inverted between two estoiles argent. Consider also the arms of Somalia: Azure, a mullet argent.

Arganteilin filia Elffin   (Wolfscairn)   Return of New Device and Badge

Device: Or, a rose proper and on a chief azure three mullets of 5 points argent.
The submitter's name was registered 09/06.

The device is too similar to the device registered to Michael the Bard: Argent, a garden rose gules, slipped and leaved vert, on a chief azure, three mullets argent. By precedent, there is no difference between a heraldic rose and a garden rose slipped and leaved. The submitter will be informed of the proper way to draw a heraldic rose so that any resubmission will be acceptable.

Badge: Azure on a goblet Or a" moon-goddess" argent.
The "moon goddess" is a female figure holding a waxing-full-waning moon. The goddess figure is metal-on-metal and disallowable, so we considered it as a decoration and checked this as though it was "Azure, a goblet Or". This is too similar to the device registered to Dabhaidh Orcheard: Azure, a goblet or and in chief two hammers in chevron argent. Consider also the badge for Melisande de Belvoir: Argent, a chalice Or, upon the dexter lip, a honeybee proper and the badge for the Ladies of the Bay: Per saltire azure and gules, a goblet Or.

Cormac Kane   (Thistletorr)   Return of New Device

Or, a Celtic dog's head and in chief an oak tree and a triskelion gules.
The device is not able to be registered; it has three different charges in a standard arrangement.

Jak Graeme of Ardmoor   (Far West)   Return of New Name Change and New Device

Azure, a mullet of six points Or conjoined with four bezants per saltire, on a chief Or three escallops azure.
The submitter's name Jak Graam of Ardmoor was registered 02/02. The submitter desires to register an alternate spelling of Graam and wishes to retain the original as an alternate. "The Grahams" by John Stweart of Ardvorlich published in 1958: "In the possession of the present Duke of Montrose is a fine broadsword and engraved on the blade are these words: 'Sir John the Graeme, very wicht and wise, Ane of the chiefs relievit Scotland thryse, Faught with ys sword, and ner thout shame, Commandit nane to Beir it Bot his name.' On the hilt are the initials S.J.G. and date 1406." The footnote reads It would appear that many years after Sir John's death there was a tradition that this blade had once belonged to him, and that the inscription had been added at a later date. On p.323 of Black, Graeme is the third header spelling, but it is undated. The submitter also wants to register the alternate name of Friar Jak, but that is not registerable since it includes a religious title. The submitter sent $15, which is enough for one name and a device - to register two names, another $8 is required.

The mullet is meant to resemble a jack (as taken from the children's game), but the blazon will not reliably reproduce the very explicit emblazon desired. The submitter could have a mullet of six pommetty, which would put a roundel on each point of the mullet. The device seems clear of conflict with this change.

Sebastian von Teufelberg   (Teufelberg)   Return of New Name Sebastian is found in Bahlow on p. 515 dated to 1457. Teufelberg is the registered name of his SCA branch; the German connective is appropriate. However, as no money was included in the submission, it must be returned.

Zinaida Or'shinaia   (Darkwood)   Return of Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Azure ermined argent, a female sagittary rampant regardant and drawing her bow to sinister Or.
Submitter's name was included on the March 2007 LoI.

Her previous submission was returned 3/07 for violation of the rules regarding charging a vetu field.

The device is too similar to the device of Aulay Leod: Gules, an eight-headed centaur salient Or maintaining a drawn bow and arrow sable.


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