Minutes of the May, 2007 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 13 May XLII (2007)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 13 May 2007, at Eilis O'Boirne's home in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:25 pm and ended at 3:10 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric/Sable Swan; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Hirsh von Henford, Golem; Moira O'Connor, Greencloak; Vigdís vestfirzka, Sable Quill; Walraven van Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Emma Fitzgerald, Silver Gull; Felix MacAvity, Pursuivant for St. Katherine; Maxen ap Morgan, and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; Anne FitzRichards, Cornet; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The upcoming meetings are: are June 10, July 8, September 9, October 21 and November 18. The tentative schedule for meetings in 2008 is January 6, February 3, March 16, April 13, May 18, June 8, August 16 (SAT!), September 21, October 26 and November 16. Meetings start at noon. The Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium in CAID is June 14-17, 2007. The Fall Herald's Collegium will be November 17, 2007. The Spring Heralds' Collegium will be March 15, 2008.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Submission Forms - As of May 2007, Laurel is requiring all submissions to be made on the new submission forms. No old forms will be accepted after May 2007. The new forms are on the Kingdom web site NOW. There are a number of changes on the new forms.

Name Form - If you check the authentic box, your name will be changed to be authentic even if it would otherwise be passable in its submitted form. The forms no longer have a place for alternate names. Badge Form - The badge form is now square. Branch Name Form - There is now a separate Branch Name Form to remind branches of the need for a petition, etc.

New instructions are being prepared for distribution with the new forms. We are making some changes to our submission procedures to accommodate changes by Laurel, such as requiring a line drawing for devices and badges to allow scanning into OSCAR.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

UPCOMING EVENTS
Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric Herald, has spoken with A&S about allowing the College of Heralds sponsor the A&S pavilion at a Crown or Coronation so that we can hold classes for the general populace to help encourage the heraldic arts and a greater understanding of the basic rules. We are awaiting a response.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

PERSONNEL -- POSITION CHANGES:

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE: GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the device form, and 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

CYNAGUAN COMMENTING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

HERALDIC PUBLICATIONS
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR

The LoAR for January 2007 was published in May 2007, covering our September 2006 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - January 2007

Aibhilín inghean Eoghain. Name.

Alexander de Blare. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Brigit de Montfort. Reblazon of device. Vert, on a bend sinister between a hand balance and a cinquefoil Or, a frog courant to sinister vert.

When registered in November 1991, the charge in chief was blazoned simply as a balance.

Catalina de Silva. Name.

Costança de Silva. Name.

Dikran Dikranian. Reblazon of device. Per fess sable and argent, in pale a standing balance conjoined with another inverted counterchanged.

When registered August 1981, this was blazoned Per fess sable and argent, in pale a balance conjoined with a balance inverted, counterchanged. The fact that these were standing balances was not specified; the wording has been simplified a bit for concision.

Edmond of Surrey. Name and device. Azure, a chevron inverted between a sword inverted argent and a standing balance Or.

The submitter requested an authentic 15th C name but allowed no changes. There was some question whether the spelling Surrey was found in period. While we have no examples of this spelling used in personal names, we do have examples from literature. This spelling appears in several of the extant manuscripts of Chaucer, The Canterbury Tales in the prologue: "In surrey with a gret solempne route...". An English chronicle of the reigns of Richard II, Henry IV, Henry V, and Henry VI written before the year 1471; with an appendix, containing the 18th and 19th years of Richard II and the Parliament at Bury St. Edmund's, 25th Henry VI and supplementary additions from the Cotton. ms. chronicle called "Eulogium." , edited by John Silvester Davies, mentions "the erlle of Huntyngdoun, the erl of Salesbury, the duke of Surrey". Therefore, the spelling is an attested 15th C spelling. Although the use of the preposition is rare in the 15th C, it is occasionally found. However, if the submitter is interested in a more typical form of this name, we would suggest Edmond Surre. The spelling Surre is found in several entries in Paston letters and papers of the fifteenth century, Part I. It is also found in 1426 in the will of John Credy (Fifty earliest English wills in the Court of Probate, London : A. D. 1387-1439 : with a priest's of 1454, Church of England), and in a will from Lincoln in 1454, in Andrew Clark, Lincoln diocese documents, 1450-1544.

Please advise the submitter that the sword should be wider so that it is more identifiable; all of the charges should be somewhat larger.

Enderlin Jäger. Badge. (Fieldless) A crescent per pale argent and gules.

Mærwynn of Croft. Device. Argent, a martlet and a chief azure.

Nice armory. Please advise the submitter to draw the martlet larger.

Malyn Edwardis. Name and device. Quarterly per fess wavy, barry wavy azure and argent, and sable.

Paulette of Poitiers. Reblazon of device. Azure, a bridge of two spans, throughout and enarched to chief, between three swans naiant argent.

Registered July 1974 with the blazon Azure, between three swans a bridge doublearched all argent, the primary charge wasn't blazoned first; and its details, as well as the swans' posture, were omitted.

Rolf the Relentless. Reblazon of device. Pean, a mullet of eight points elongated to base Or.

Registered in August 1979 with the blazon Pean, a compass star fitchy of eight Or, the primary charge is not a compass star but simply a mullet elongated to base.

Seamus mac Cuinn. Name.

Vettoria Giovanna Cristina de Monte. Device. Paly of four gules and Or, three roses argent barbed vert and seeded gules and on a trimount sable, a crescent argent.

WEST - Returns - January 2007

Alexander de Blare. Device. Per chevron gules and Or, three quatrefoils counterchanged.

Unfortunately, this device must be returned for a redraw. The per chevron line is drawn so that the lower portion of the field resembles the lower quarter of a per saltire field - the line is too low for per chevron and too high for a point pointed.

Rhys ap Bleddyn. Name and device. Sable, a fess invected on the upper edge between two wolves combatant and a wolf passant Or.

This name is presumptuous of the registered name Osanna verch Rhys ap Bleddyn, registered January 2003, as it constitutes a claim (albeit unintended) to be Osanna's father. Precedent defines this as a protected relationship:
The name Ranulf fitzStephen de Acre was registered in July 2000. The currently submitted name, Stephen of Acre, is effectively a claim to be Ranulf's father. As a result, this submission is in violation of RfS VI.3, "Names Claiming Specific Relationships", which states: "Names that unmistakably imply identity with or close relationship to a protected person or literary character will generally not be registered." [Stephen of Acre, 10/2003, R-Middle]

In resubmitting, we would suggest adding a second byname to this name or obtaining a letter of permission to presume from Osanna very Rhys ap Bleddyn. Either action would remove the aura of presumption. If the submitter wishes to obtain a letter of permission to conflict, we suggest the following form, supplied by Rowel, for such a letter:

I, [Legal name], known in the SCA as [Society name], give [Legal name of submitter], known in the SCA as [Society name of submitter], permission for my Society name to be used in part of [his/her] Society name in order to indicate a relationship. I understand that this permission cannot be withdrawn once [Legal name of submitter]'s name is registered.

[Date] [Signature of [Legal Name]].

Because he will not accept a holding name, his armory must also be returned.

In Service,

Kiriana
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 13 May, XLII (2007)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Laurencius Legnano     (Warrior's Gate)     Resubmission of Name to Kingdom; See Returns for Device
The submitter's previous name submission of Leonardo da Larian was returned for a lack of documentation for the locative Larian. The resubmission does not include this element. Laurencius is found in Italian names from Imola, 1312 by Sara L Ukelman at http://www.elipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/imola.html. Legano is found in Milanese Notaries 1396-1635 by Maridona Benvenuti at http://213.156.63.135/corredi/guida_htm/sezione_I.htm?reload_coolmenus.

Marc de Arundel     (Fettburg)     New Name
The submitter desires a male name and will not accept major changes. Marc is a masculine French name dated to the Fifteenth Century in Normandy according to http://www.s-gabriel.org/1654. Arundel is a Fifteenth Century English surname according to http://www.s-gabriel.org/1046. Arundel is found as late as 1268 in this spelling as a header spelling in Reaney on p. 15. The locative is correctly formed for the period.

Na'arah bat Avraham     (Hawks Haven)     New Name Change
The submitter's current registered name is Naarah bat Avraham, registered 2/84. The apostrophe is an important pronunciation guide to the submitter who believed that the apostrophe was included in her originally registered name. Having discovered that it was not in fact included in her registration, she now desire that her name be changed to include it. The documentation accepted for the name Naarah was the reference in I Chronicles 4:5,6. In the original Hebrew of this source, the Na sound and the following a sound are separate elements, consisting of a Nun with an appropriate vowel followed by an Ayin also with an appropriate vowel. Since these sounds are separate, an apostrophe is an appropriate pronunciation mark in a standard transliteration of this name. If this change is accepted, the submitter desires to retain her previous name as an alternate spelling.

Pavlok Gorod, Shire of     (Pavlovsk Gavan)     Resubmission of Branch Name to Kingdom; New Device

Per chevron throughout vert and argent, two laurel wreaths argent and a brown bear rampant proper, maintaining in its mouth a fish gules.
The incipient shire of Pavlok Gorod is located in Kodiak, Alaska. A petition from the populace is enclosed with the submission. Pavlok is from Wickenden and is a diminutive of the header spelling Pavel; it is dated to the Fifteenth Century. Gorod is a Russian word meaning city, dated to 1521 in Wickenden. Wickenden's appendix of Russian place names in period lists Vysokii Gorod, from the Fourteenth Century meaning "High Town"; Ol'gov Novyi Gorodok, from the Thirteenth Century, meaning "Oleg's New Town"; Ivan-gorod, a fortified port on Gulf of Finland that was built in 1492, meaning "Ivan City." The last example demonstrates the use of a masculine given name in the uninflected form, followed by Gorod. Thus the name is properly formed.

Quentyn Ayerie     (Southern Shores)     Withdrawal of Device Submission to Laurel; See Returns for Device Submission

Quarterly sable and gules, an oak tree eradicated and on a chief Or, three compass stars gules.
This submission was included on the West Kingdom LOI of 2\07. Commenters on OSCAR have indicated a conflict which is not included in the written O&A because there hasn't been a print update since June 2004, which hampers our ability to perform heraldic research. Rather than waiting to receive the rejection, the submitter hereby withdraws this submission and will resubmit his device next month.

Sarah Bakestre     (Golden Rivers)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Sable, a bend sinister engrailed Or between in chief a decrescent and in base three mullets of eight in bend argent.
The submitter's name was included in the West Kingdom LOI of 4/07. The device was returned for redrawing and has been redrawn.

Sárán mac Ímair     (Westermark)     New Badge Change

(Fieldless) Two glaives in saltire gules.
The submitter's name was registered in March 2004 via Meridies. If this badge is registered, the submitter will release his currently registered badge, (Fieldless) A bat winged pike palewise Or.

Úrsúla Þorbjargardóttir     (Allyshia)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Gyronny arrondi purpure and Or, a bat-winged cat sejant affronty, wings displayed, a bordure argent.
The submitter's name was included in the West Kingdom LOI of 4/07. This device was returned for redrawing and it has been redrawn.

William Fetherstan     (Far West)     New Name and Device

Barry sinister of six argent and gules, a greyhound courant counterchanged and in canton a rose argent.
The submitter desires a male English name. William, dated to 1296, is listed on the Laurel website in An Index to the 1296 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Rutland England by Karen Larsdatter found at (http://laurel.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/rutland/index.htm). Fetherstan is under the header spelling Featherstone in Ekwall on p. 176 dated to 1166 and 1256.

ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Celestria Textrix     (Eskalya)     Return of Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Or, fretty azure, on a pile vert, an owl close contourney argent.
The submitter's name was included on the West Kingdom LOI of 1/07. The previous submission was returned for redrawing. We found no conflicts for the device with the pile throughout in January 2007.

Unfortunately, the device submission must be returned because it was prepared on the old forms, which Laurel will no longer accept. We ask the submitter to resubmit their device using the new Heraldic forms dated 13 February 2007, which are available on the West Kingdom web site.

Laurencius Legnano     (Warrior's Gate)     Return of Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per pale sable and gules, a griffin segreant contourney regardant and in sinister base a tower Or.
Because we did not have a name submission, we were unable to send on the device submission. Unfortunately, the device submission continues to have the same drawing problems with the griffin as before. If properly drawn, this device would conflict with the badge of John ap Griffin, Sable, a griffin segreant to sinister surmounting a twin-towered castle Or. There is no difference given between a tower and a castle and the shift in position is too small to create a clear visual difference. Thus, the only change is in the color of the field. Redrawing would therefore not make this submission acceptable. An additional clear visual difference must be created by some change to the design.

If the submitter desires a griffin, then in his new design, the griffin must be redrawn into a standard heraldic posture or we cannot submit it to Laurel for consideration. While we appreciate that the submitter may own a piece of art dated to 1620 with this picture, art and heraldry are not equal in period. For registration purposes, a standardized griffin drawing must be used, regardless of how the submitter intends to depict the griffin with artistic license after submission.

Quentyn Ayerie     (Southern Shores)     Return of Device Resubmission to Laurel

Quarterly sable and gules, an oak tree eradicated and on a chief embattled Or, three compass stars gules.
The submitter's name was submitted in the West Kingdom LOI of 2/07. The line of division has been changed from the previous submission to clear a conflict; unfortunately, the revised device now conflicts the device of Maria of Nea Nikopolis, Purpure, a tree eradicated and on a chief embattled Or three mullets of six points purpure. The only clear visual difference is the change to the field. There is no difference between a tree and an oak tree and no difference between mullets of six points and mullets of eight points or compass stars. While the color of the tertiary charges is different, in order to count for a clear visual difference, the tertiaries on this device would have to have two changes, not just one for color. Some further change will have to be made on this device to clear the conflict.

As a courtesy to the submitter, we determined that if the line of division were changed from embattled to either indented or wavy it would clear the conflicts noted and we found no new conflicts with either change. This would be the most minimal change we could come up with that would be free of conflicts.

Sárán mac Ímair     (Westermark)     Return of Device Change

Argent, a glaive gules.
The submitter's name was registered in March 2004 via Meridies. If this device is registered, the submitter will release his old device. Unfortunately, this device conflicts with the device of Ferran de Montfery, Argent, an escarbuncle of spears offset deasil gules. The number of weapons is the only difference between these two devices as there is no visual difference between a glaive and a spear and the arrangement and rotation are forced by the addition of the extra charges.


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