Minutes of the March, 2007 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 11 March XLI (2007)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 11 March 2007, at the Eilis O'Boirne's home in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:15 pm and ended at 3:50 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Edith Laufare, Seawolf; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric and Sable Swan; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Walraven van Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Astrith of Swansvale, Brachet; Moira O'Connor, Greencloak; Aurelia de Montfort, Vinhold Pursuivant; Felix MacAvady, St. Katherine's Pursuivant; Maxen ap Morgan, and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; Susannah of Ely, Guest; Aldith Angharad St. George Artist, and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The upcoming meetings are: are April 15, May 13, June 10, July 8, September 9, October 21 and November 18. Meetings start at noon. The Fall Herald's Collegium will be November 17. The Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium in CAID is June 14-17.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Submission Forms - As of May 2007, Laurel is requiring all submissions to be made on the new submission forms. No old forms will be accepted after May 2007. The new forms are on the Kingdom web site NOW. There are a number of changes on the new forms.

Name Form - If you check the authentic box, your name will be changed to be authentic even if it would otherwise be passable in its submitted form. The forms no longer have a place for alternate names. Badge Form - The badge form is now square. Branch Name Form - There is now a separate Branch Name Form to remind branches of the need for a petition, etc.

New instructions are being prepared for distribution with the new forms. We are making some changes to our submission procedures to accommodate changes by Laurel, such as requiring a line drawing for devices and badges to allow scanning into OSCAR.

UPCOMING EVENTS
Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric Herald, will be speaking with A&S about allowing the College of Heralds sponsor the A&S pavilion at a Crown or Coronation so that we can hold classes for the general populace to help encourage the heraldic arts and a greater understanding of the basic rules. We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

The next Known World Heraldic and Scribes Symposium will be in CAID. If you fill your car will heralds to attend, the College will assist with gas money.

PERSONNEL -- POSITION CHANGES:

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE: GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the device form, and 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

CYNAGUAN COMMENTING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

HERALDIC PUBLICATIONS
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR
The LoAR for November 2006 was published in mid March 2006, covering our July 2006 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - November 2006

Adrian Freyser. Name and device. Or, a dragon's head couped vert, detailed gules, and on a chief azure a crescent Or.

Aurora Komnene. Name.

We note that, while it probably existed earlier, we have no examples of the family name Komnenos before the 10th C. The documentation for Aurora states that it is found in Roman Christian inscriptions, which would place it in the 5th or 6th C at the latest. Therefore, this name is likely to be a step from period practice for temporal incompatibility.

Caillech Dhé Silvertongue. Name and device. Argent, a triquetra inverted vert interlaced with an annulet azure.

Submitted as Caillech Silvertongue, no documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that the name element Caillech was ever found as a stand-alone feminine name; instead all examples we have of this element are as part of a compound name. Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Index of Names from Irish Annals" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex), shows the normalized Early Modern Irish form Caillech Dhé in 1211, and the normalized Middle Irish forms Caillech Domnaill in 1163 and Caillech Finnen in 1042. We have changed the name to Caillech Dhé Silvertongue in order to register it.

Rowel notes:

Similar to the masculine given name constructions Maél [X] 'devotee of [X]' and Gilla [X] 'servant of [X]', this construction is used for feminine given names and has the meaning 'nun/veiled one of [X]'. Caillech Dhé means 'nun/veiled one of God'. Caillech Domnaill means 'nun/veiled one of Domnall' (probably referring to someone viewed as a saint). Caillech Finnen means 'nun/veiled one of Finnen' (probably referring to a saint).
The submitter requested a name authentic for Irish language/culture. However, no documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that silvertongue is consistent with patterns found in Irish descriptive bynames. The examples we have of such bynames suggest that they are simple descriptives rather than poetic constructs. If the submitter is interested in an attested Irish bynames, we recommend that she examine the lists in Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Index of Names from Irish Annals."

Chabi Ünegen. Device. Gules, two foxes sejant respectant guardant, the dexter fox argent and the sinister Or.

Eibhlín inghean Éanna. Name and device. Per pale argent and azure, a triquetra inverted and in chief three roundels counterchanged.

Submitted as Éibhleann inghean Éanna, the source from which the given name is documented, Ó Corrain and Maguire, Irish Names, s.n. Ebliu, says that the name is "believed by O Rahilly to be another name for the Old Irish sun-goddess. In Irish legend, Ébliu is a supernatural lady who gave her name to the mountains to the south of Nenagh." The documentation gives no indication that the name was ever used by humans, nor did the commenters find evidence of this. Barring such documentation, the name Ébliu and its later form Éibhleann is not registerable. We have changed given name to one similar in sound and appearance, Eibhlín, which Ó Corrain and Maguire, s.n. Eibhlín, say is a Gaelic form of the name Eveline which was brought to Ireland by the Normans.

Elana of Coran. Reblazon of device. Per fess dovetailed gules and argent, a winged natural panther passant and two cat's pawprints fesswise contourny, one and two, counterchanged.

Registered July 1981 with the blazon Per fess dovetailed gules and argent, a winged panther passant and two cat's pawprints fesswise to sinister, one and two, counterchanged, the panther is a natural panther (well, if you discount the wings), not a heraldic one. Please see the Cover Letter for a discussion on the difference between English, Continental, and natural panthers.
Felix MacGowan of Darkmoor. Reblazon of device. Sable, on a pale gules fimbriated Or between two ounces combatant breathing flame, a sword argent.
Registered January 1991 with the blazon Sable, on a pale gules fimbriated Or between two panthers combattant, a sword argent, the cats lack the spots of heraldic panthers. Please see the Cover Letter for a discussion on the difference between English, Continental, and natural panthers.
Mærwynn of Croft. Name.

Mikhail of the West. Reblazon of device. Argent, an ounce statant sable incensed gules, in chief three mullets of eight points sable.

Registered September 2004 with the blazon Argent, a panther statant sable incensed gules, in chief three mullets of eight points sable, the cat lacks the spots of a heraldic panther. Please see the Cover Letter for a discussion on the difference between English, Continental, and natural panthers.
Milisandia Vachan. Name.

Rhiannon verch Madyn. Name change from holding name Rhiannon of Betony Wood.

Rhiannon is an SCA-compatible Welsh name.

Sarkanyi Gero. Reblazon of badge. (Fieldless) A sinister dragon's wing gules, edged and ribbed Or, issuant from a torse wreathed Or and azure.

Registered in January 1973 with the blazon (Fieldless) On a wreath Or and azure, a sinister dragon's wing erect gules, edged and ribbed Or, that blazon did not adequately describe the emblazon. The dragon's wing is the primary charge, not a tertiary charge.
Sarkanyi Gero. Reblazon of badge. (Fieldless) A dexter seraph's wing gules, covered Or, lined vert, edged azure, and a sinister dragon's wing gules, edged and ribbed Or, both issuant from a torse wreathed Or and azure.
Registered in January 1973 with the blazon (Fieldless) On a wreath Or and azure, a dexter seraph's wing displayed gules, covered Or, lined vert, edged azure and a sinister dragon's wing displayed gules, ribbed and boned Or, that blazon did not adequately describe the emblazon. The wings are the primary charges, not tertiary charges. The seraph's wing is primarily gules.
Titus Scipio Germanicus. Device change. Per chevron throughout purpure and sable, a chevron throughout Or and in base a wolf's head cabossed argent.
His previous device, Per chevron purpure and sable, a chevron throughout Or and in base a wolf's head erased contourny argent, is released.
Vettoria Giovanna Cristina de Monte. Name.
The use of three given names in an Italian names is a step from period practice.

Victoria of Lynwood. Device. Per pale embattled argent and azure, a sprig of ash inverted vert and a compass star argent.

Walter of Canale. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Sable, a dragon's head couped contourny and a gore sinister Or.

Submitted under the name Walterus Ignotus.
Wolfram von Creuzburg. Name.
Submitted as Wolfram von Kreuzberg, the documentation shows the placename spelled Creuzburg. We have changed the name to Wolfram von Creuzburg to match the documentation.

WEST - Returns - November 2006

Walterus Ignotus. Name.

No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that bynames meaning "unknown" or "anonymous" were used in England, where the given name was documented. Therefore, this byname does not follow naming patterns found in England. Barring documentation showing such a pattern, the byname Ignotus is not registerable.

His armory was registered under the name Walter of Canale.

In Service,

Kiriana
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 11 March, XLI (2007)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Colyne Jak Leslie     (Oertha)     New Name
The submitter desires a male name. Colyne is listed as a given name in 13th & 14th Century Scottish Names by Symon Freser of Lovat at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/symonFreser/scottish14/scottish14_given.html. Jak is a Scottish given name in Black under the header spelling Jack dated to 1453 in Jak Donaldson and dated to 1469 in Jak Richardson. Leslie is listed as a Scottish surname dated to 1501-1540 in Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names, by Sharon L. Krossa at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/surnamesalpha.shtml. The use of two given names has been considered to be one step from period practice/one weirdness. (Laurel 8/01 under Michael Sinclair).

Heleyne de Aveberia     (Selveirgard)     New Name and Device

Or a dragonfly vert within a bordure wavy sable.

The name was submitted as Helen of Avebury. The submitter desires an authentic Twelfth to Fourteenth Century female name. Heleyne is a feminine English given name dated to the Thirteenth Century in Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames by Talan Gwynek which is on the Laurel website. Avebury is a town in Wessex, England founded around 500-600 C.E. The submitted spelling was not documented to the requested time period, so we have changed both the name and the preposition to the documented spelling as found on p.19 of Ekwall at Avebury and cited to 1189, to fulfill the submitter's request for authenticity.

Kveld-Úlfur hinn sterki     (Oertha)     New Name
The submitter desires an authentic Old Icelandic Norse male name. Kveld-Úlfur is given in The Book of the Settlement of Iceland translated by Rev. T. Ellwood, M.A. at http://www.northvegr.org/lore/landnamabok/titles.php. The components are also found in Bassi on p.25 (Kveld-) and p. 15 (Úlfur), hinn sterki is found in the first source as a byname in the names Voli hinn sterki and Ingólfur hinn sterki; it is also found on p.28 of Bassi in the form inn sterki as a common byname meaning "strong".

Merewyn of Ynys Taltraeth     (Ynys Taltraeth)     Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Argent, an amphisbaena vert, a base engrailed barry engrailed azure and argent.
The submitter's name was submitted on the West Kingdom 1/07 LOI. We note the device of Galen of Kildrony, Argent, a wyvern erect contourney vert maintaining a sword inverted sable, a ford proper. There is one point for the difference between the wyvern and the amphisbaena; there is another for the difference between wavy and engrailed in the bases.

Quentyn Ayerie     (Southern Shores)     Name and Device Resubmissions to Kingdom

Quarterly sable and gules, an oak tree eradicated and on a chief Or, three compass stars gules.
The original submission was made in 2/07 as Ayre Quinlan MacAndrew. The submitter desires a male name. Quentyn is found in Reaney & Wilson on p.368 under the header Quinton as a patronymic surname, with William Quentyn cited from 1262. Ayerie is a 1595 spelling of aerie ('the nest of any bird of prey') cited in the Compact OED, used here as a hypothetical unmarked locative byname following the pattern shown by the following examples from Reaney & Wilson: John Clif (1279, under Cliff), Henry Crag (1204, under Cragg), Simon Hille (1273, under Hill), and Richard Mounteyne (1240, under Mountain). Similarly generic bynames using prepositions appear under Peak, Ridge, Roke, and Torr. While the spelling Ayerie is late-period, the OED also cites the word in a Latin context as aereas from 1224 and states that it was adopted into Middle English. The submitter prefers the pronunciation ayerie.

Ruaidhrí Mac Diarmada     (Selveirgard)     New Name
The name was submitted as Ruaidhri Mac Diarmada, with no accent on the "i" in the given name. The submitter desires an authentic Fourteenth to Fifteenth Century Irish Gaelic male name. Ruaidhri is on p.158 of O'Corrain and Maguire as a late period form. Mac Diarmada is on p.80 of MacLysaght in this form, which shows the genitive form. The base name is on p.73 of O'Corrain and Maguire at Diarmait - Diarmaid is a late period form of the name.

Susanna of Ely     (Caldarium)     New Name and Device

Azure fretty Or, seme of eels erect to sinister embowed counter-embowed argent.
The name was submitted as Susannah of Ely and the submitter desires a female name. Susanna is dated to 1200-1213 on p.273 of Withycombe under the header Susannah, which is an undated form. Ely is an island in England; this spelling is dated to 1267 on p.166 of Ekwall - the name of the island was taken from the eels caught there, so the device is a cant. (If anyone can document the spelling of Susannah with the terminal h, the submitter would greatly appreciate it…)

Zinaida Or'shinaia     (Darkwood)     Name Resubmissions to Kingdom

The submitter desires a female Russian name and will not accept major changes. Zinaida is listed as a period Russian name dated to 1356 on the Laurel web site in Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Period Russian Names. Or'shinaia is listed as a "Wife of" form dated to the Twelfth Century derived from Or'sha, presumed to mean horseman in Russian Personal Names: Name Frequency in the Novgorod Birch-Bark Letters, by Masha Gedilaghine Holl, found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/predslava/bbl/women.html.

ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Anne of Whaleshaven and Rognvaldr Sax     (Wolfscairn)     New Joint Badge Returned

Or, a compass star within and conjoined to an annulet or bordure azure.
The submitters desire a joint badge registration. Anne's name was registered 12/03 and Rognvaldr's name was registered 08/04. This was submitted on the new form, which has a square submission site. It is not clear whether the submitter desires a bordure or an annulet. The notes say a bordure, but a bordure would have followed the line of the square shape and been square, not round.

If the compass star is within and conjoined to an annulet, this is too similar to the badge registered to Kendrick Wayfarer: (Fieldless) A compass rose azure - the compass rose includes a circle. If the design has a bordure, it is too similar to the device of Taliesin Dunnwulf: Quarterly Or and argent, a sun within a bordure azure.

Ciara inghean MacEgan     (Selveirgard)     New Name and Device Returned

Azure, in dexter chief a decrescent and an increscent interlaced in bend sinister, in sinister chief an increscent and a decrescent interlaced in bend Or and on a pile nebuly (?) inverted argent, a heart gules on a heart of flames Or on a heart of flames gules.
The submitter desires an authentic Fourteenth to Fifteenth Century Irish Gaelic female name. Ciara is not documentable from any available source. The closest alternatives we could find are the Middle Irish Ciar (dated to 651-700 in an Index of Names in Irish Annals; http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/) and Early Modern Irish Ceara (found under the header Cera, p50 of Ó Corráin & Maguire). The byname inghean MacEgan is not registerable. The patronymic byname is partly Gaelic and partly Anglicized English. In order to be registered, the byname must be entirely in a single language. For late period Irish Gaelic, the proper spelling of the byname would be inghean mhic Aodhagáin (The masculine given name Aoidhghean is in Ó Corráin & Maguire under Áedgen, p14; the patronymic mac Aodhagáin appears in Maclysaght under the header Keegan). The byname might also be registerable as the Anglicized MacEgan, but the inghean would have to be dropped from the name, and the combination would not be considered authentic for having a Gaelic given name with an Anglicized byname.

This device cannot be registered because the charge in base has four layers - it is not a heart enflamed, but a heart on a heart on a heart. In addition, the crescent figures will be impossible to reproduce accurately from the blazon and they are examples of modern reflective symmetry. Also, the line of division is incorrectly drawn - while the submitter states that it is nebuly, it is not precisely nebuly, or embattled, or dovetailed, which will also cause Laurel to return it.

Colyne Jak Leslie     (Oertha)     New Device Returned

Per pall purpure, sable and argent, in chief a bear passant argent with head in trian aspect, and two compass stars elongated to base counterchanged.
The bear's head in trian aspect is not permitted. It must be turned either to face out (guardant) or to face to the side (the default posture). The passant posture is not correctly depicted with the position of the paws. Therefore, the device must be returned for redrawing.

Ruaidhrí Mac Diarmada     (Selveirgard)     New Device Returned

Argent, a fess nowy azure voided of a plate and in chief a harpoon head palewise, barb to sinister sable.
The submitter documents the fess nowy, most accessibly from The Academy of Armory or A Storehouse of Armory and Blazon by Randall Holmes, published 1688. The fess nowy is plate 70. However, the harpoon head is not documented, and has not been registered in the past, which would make this the defining instance, which requires us to submit documentation to Laurel indicating and confirming the period use of the charge in heraldry and its period form. We must therefore return this device.

West, Kingdom of     (West/Selveirgard)     New Heraldic Title and Badge

(Fieldless) A gryphon's head erased Or collared per fess gules and sable.
The Barony of Selveirgard submitted the heraldic title Gryphon Pursuivant. The heraldic title Griffin Pursuivant was released in the LoAR of 10/06. A petition from the populace of the Barony accompanies the submission. However, the heraldic title Gryphon Pursuivant is still registered and therefore in conflict with the proposed submission.

This badge must be returned as the West Kingdom does not register individual heraldic badges for branch heralds. All heralds use the crossed trumpets. The badge may not be sent on as a general badge for the Barony because no petition accompanies it.

Zinaida Or'shinaia     (Darkwood)     Device Resubmissions to Kingdom

Azure, vetu sable mulletty argent, a sun Or.
We must return the device because vetu is considered a charge and not a field division, so this device violates the Rule of Tincture because it has a black charge on a blue field. In addition, the vetu may not be charged as it is here. If the submitter desires to use mulletty in some other fashion in the resubmission, the area so treated needs to be charged with more mullets.


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