Minutes of the June, 2007 Herald's Meeting

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ALL FUTURE SUBMISSIONS MUST BE ON THE NEW FORMS!
ANY SUBMISSIONS ON THE OLD FORMS WILL BE REJECTED!

PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL MAILINGS SHOULD BE SENT TO EILIS' ADDRESS LISTED BELOW AT COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS.

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 10 June XLII (2007)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 10 June 2007, at Eilis O'Boirne's home in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:35 pm and ended at 3:30 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric/Sable Swan; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Astrith of Swansvale, Brachet; Moira O'Connor, Greencloak; Tangwystyl verch Margant Glasvryn, Harpy; Vigdís vestfirzka, Sable Quill; Walraven van Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Felix MacAvity, Pursuivant for St. Katherine; Maxen ap Morgan, and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The upcoming meetings are: are July 8, September 9, October 21 and November 18. The tentative schedule for meetings in 2008 is January 6, February 3, March 16, April 13, May 18, June 8, August 16 (SAT!), September 21, October 26 and November 16. Meetings start at noon. The Fall Herald's Collegium will be November 17, 2007. The Spring Heralds' Collegium will be March 15, 2008.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Submission Forms - As of May 2007, Laurel is requiring all submissions to be made on the new submission forms. No old forms will be accepted after May 2007. The new forms are on the Kingdom web site NOW. There are a number of changes on the new forms.

Name Form - If you check the authentic box, your name will be changed to be authentic even if it would otherwise be passable in its submitted form. The forms no longer have a place for alternate names. Badge Form - The badge form is now square. Branch Name Form - There is now a separate Branch Name Form to remind branches of the need for a petition, etc.

New instructions are being prepared for distribution with the new forms. We are making some changes to our submission procedures to accommodate changes by Laurel, such as requiring a line drawing for devices and badges to allow scanning into OSCAR.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

UPCOMING EVENTS
We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

The 2008 Known World Heraldic and Scribes Symposium will be held in the Kingdom of Drachenwald (London, England) on September 5-7, 2008.

PERSONNEL -- POSITION CHANGES:

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE: GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the device form, and 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

CYNAGUAN COMMENTING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

HERALDIC PUBLICATIONS
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR

The LoAR for February 2007 was published in early June 2007, covering our October 2006 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - February 2007

Aeschine Mackintosh of Bannockburn. Name change from holding name Andrea of Wolfscairn.

Anna Zen. Name.

Nice 14th C Venetian name!

Ayloara de Meddestane. Device. Sable, in base a sun in its splendour, flaunches Or.

Please advise the submitter that the flaunches should issue from the top corner of the shield, not slightly below as emblazoned in this submission.

Blaxio Zen. Name.

Nice 14th C Venetian name!

Catherine Holcombe of Arden. Name and device. Per chevron Or and azure, three roses one and two proper and a garb Or, a chief invected vert.

The submitter requested an authentic 12th-13th C English name and accepted minor changes only. The name is registerable as submitted, but not authentic for the requested time period. While the submitted spellings can all be found in 12th-13th C English, or are derivable spellings from period forms, we cannot change the naming pattern without making major changes. In particular, the pattern [given + inherited surname + of placename] is unlikely for that time period. While one person might use de Holcombe and de Arden alternatively, it is unlikely that both elements would be found in a single name before the 14th C. Given this, we are unable to make the name authentic as requested.

Iohannes ap Robert Meuryk. Name.

Konstantin Drozdenskii Rumiantsevits. Name and device. Per pale sable and argent mulletty counterchanged, a decrescent gules.

Meadhbh inghean mhic Fhirléighinn. Device. Quarterly sable and purpure, a bee bendwise sinister argent.

Richard of Ardgour. Name.

There was some question whether the placename Ardgour was found in period. Johnston, The Place-names of Scotland, 2nd edition, s.n. Ardgour, has Ardgour in 1483.

Thelic of Darktide. Reblazon of device. Quarterly Or and argent, an ounce's head erased sable, incensed gules.

Registered in April 1991 with the blazon Quarterly Or and argent, a panther's head erased sable, incensed gules, the cat lacks the spots of an heraldic panther. Please see the November 2006 Cover Letter for a discussion on the difference between English, Continental, and natural panthers.

West, Kingdom of the. Reblazon of badge for Office of the Order of the Wooden Spoon. Vert, a wooden spoon proper.

Registered in January 1980 with the blazon Vert, a wooden spoon inverted proper, this matches the default orientation specified in the Glossary of Terms, palewise, affronty, bowl to chief. We have corrected the blazon.

WEST - Returns - February 2007

Violetta Belladonna. Name.

This Italian name consists of a given name and an unmarked metronymic. Precedent states:
Oriana di Octavia Volpe da Venezia. There was some question whether matronymics were used in Italian names. Talan Gwynek, "15th Century Italian Men's Names", includes a Giacomo de Argentina The third real paragraph of this article says: "If the final a can be trusted, de Argentina is probably metronymic." This is sufficient to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that names of this form are registerable. [August 2006]

However, since that time, we have reconsidered the evidence and decided that a single ambiguous example is not sufficient to allow metronymics in Italian. As the precedent notes, the only evidence we have for metronymics in Italian is a single ambiguous example from Talan Gwynek's "15 C Italian Men's Names" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/italian15m.html). This is hardly a ringing endorsement for a naming pattern, and a single example is not enough to establish a general pattern. Therefore, barring clear examples of metronymics, either marked or unmarked in Italian, Italian names using metronymics are not registerable.

In Service,

Kiriana
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 10 June, XLII (2007)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Anne FitzRichard     (Darkwood)     New Name and Device

Per chevron inverted azure and argent, a cat couchant argent and three roses proper.
The submitter desires a female name. Anne is an English given name found in Withycombe on p. 25 as the header spelling, dated to the Fourteenth Century. Richard is an English given name found in Withycombe on p. 253 as a header spelling, dated to the Norman Conquest. The formation of the patronymic is documented in Reaney and Wilson under the heading Fitz, which indicates that this form of patronymic is used with many English given names.

Ceara MacEgan     (Selveirgard)     Name Resubmission to Kingdom; see Returns for Device Resubmission to Kingdom
The submitter desires a female name and will not accept major changes. The submitter's previous name submission, Ciara inghean MacEgan, was returned because we could not document the given name and because the byname needed to be rendered in a single language. These problems have been corrected in this submission. Ceara is an early Modern Irish name found in Ó Corráin & Maguire on p. 50 under the header spelling Cera. MacEgan is an Anglicized form of the patronymic mac Aodhagáin, which appears in Maclysaght under the header Keegan.

Isabeau Marguerite Deschamps     (Fendrake Marsh)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Per bend argent and azure, in bend three gouttes d'sang and a trillium inverted argent charged with a torteau.
The submitter's name was registered in 10/95.

Juan Santiago     (Caer Darth)     New Badge

(Fieldless) A brown falcon striking, wings displayed, proper, maintaining in its talons a rapier bendwise inverted argent.
The submitter's name was registered 12/03. We have blazoned the coloration of the falcon based on the precedent of the device of Arinkell the Falconer, Argent, a brown falcon rising, wings addorsed, proper perched atop a falconer's glove fesswise in chief, three hawk's lures azure registered 2/97.

Leo Diogenes     (Crystalmist)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Argent, a lion sejant contourny gules maned and maintaining in his paw a hammer between three single-horned anvils, on a chief embattled sable three bezants.
The submitter's name was included in on the West LOI of 4/07.

Padraig Mactyre     (Danegeld Tor)     New Name and Device

Checky argent and vert a wolf rampant azure maintaining a spear gules.
Padraig is an early modern form of the name Pátraic and therefore dated to the Fourteenth Century in O'Corrain and Maguire. Mactyre is a patronymic dated to 1615 under the header spelling Mactear on p. 566 and as a header spelling dated to 1360 on p.567 in Black.

Rhys of Vakkerfjell     (Vakkerfjell)     Resubmission of Name and Device to Laurel

Sable, a fess invected on the upper edge between two wolves combattant and a wolf passant Or.
The submitter's name submission, Rhys ap Bleddyn was returned on the LoAR of 1/07 on the grounds that the name was presumptuous of the registered name Osanna verch Rhys ap Bleddyn. The new submission clears this conflict. Rhys is listed in A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Gasvryn on the Laurel website. Vakkerfjell was registered as a Shire name in 5/83. The device was previously returned because the submitter did not allow the registration of a holding name.

Ruaidhrí Mac Diarmada     (Selveirgard)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom

Argent, a fess nowy azure voided of a plate.
The submitter's name was included in the West LOI of 3/07. The submitter documents the fess nowy, most accessibly from The Academy of Armory or A Storehouse of Armory and Blazon by Randall Holmes, published 1688. The fess nowy is plate 70. The previous submission also included a harpoon which we were unable to document. This submission removes that charge.

Sárán mac Ímair     (Westermark)     Resubmission of Device Change

Argent, a glaive vert.
The submitter's name was registered in March 2004 via Meridies. If this device is registered, the submitter will release his old device. The previous submission Argent, a glaive gules, conflicted with the device of Ferran de Montfery, Argent, an escarbuncle of spears offset deasil gules. The change in color of the charge clears that conflict.

ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Brigid of Ferriter Island     (Tarnmist)     Return of New Name and Device

Per fess Or and azure, a cat couchant atop the line of division sable.
The submitter desires a female Celtic Irish name and will not accept major changes. Brigid is an old Irish name, but we were unable to document the locative placename. In addition, this name contains one weirdness for combining an Irish given name with an English locative. The documentation provided by the submitter from http://www.dingle-peninsula.ie/blaskets.html, does not assist us in documenting this name to a time prior to the 1600s, because the spelling Ferriter is modern. The period spelling is Feirtéir which is dated to 1295 in MacLysaght. To match this spelling we would need to change the language of the locative, which would constitute a major change. As the submitter will not accept major changes, we will have to return this name.

Without a concurrent name submission we cannot send on the device submission. However, had the name passed, we would still have had to return the device because it conflicts with the device of Katherina Alexandra Zrinski, Checky gules and argent, a catamount couchant sable. There is one clear visual difference for the change of the field, but although there are multiple changes to the field, these count as only one difference and these devices therefore conflict.

Ceara MacEgan     (Selveirgard)     Device Return to Kingdom

Azure, on a pile inverted between in chief two groups of three crescents interlaced in pall inverted argent, a heart azure with, issuant from the top, flames Or fimbriated gules.
The previous device submission had too many layers and could not be properly blazoned. This device must be returned for intrusive modernity in the crescents, which are arranged in the modern symbol for biohazards. In addition, the current method for drawing flames proper is to alternate individual Or flames with individual gules flames (with gules as the rightmost and leftmost color) if the submitter desires to have flames only at the top of the heart. If the submitter desires flames at intervals around the edge of the heart, they would have to consist of individual tongues of flame, all of which would have to be tinctured in an appropriately contrasting tincture, in this case gules.

Mariella Di Mariano     (Fendrake Marsh)     Return of Device

Sable, a mullet-headed comet bendwise Or.
The submitter's name was registered 8/97. This device must be returned because it does not contain a standard depiction of a comet. The tail is not drawn as a comet tail. In addition, the submission would be considered an administrative return because there was no fee included with the submission. It must therefore be redrawn and the resubmission must be accompanied by payment.

Martin de Huy     (Fendrake Marsh)     Return of Device

Argent, a wolf's head erased contourny sable, a bordure purpure.
The submitter's name was registered 8/97. While we could find no conflict for the device, it is not colored in a manner that would allow us to confirm that the submitter intends the head to be black as it has been drawn as an argent head with a black outline and black internal detail. In addition, the submission would be considered an administrative return because there was no fee included with the submission. It must therefore be redrawn and the resubmission must be accompanied by payment.

Zinaida Or'shinaia     (Darkwood)     Return of Device Resubmissions to Kingdom

Or, vetu azure mulletty argent, a mullet of four greater wavy and four lesser straight points gules.
The submitter previously submitted the same line design in 3/07. This device changes the colors, which fixes the problem of tincture from the previous submission, but does not address the problem of the charged vetu. The vetu, which is the four pieces placed in the corners, (in this version, the blue part), cannot have any charges on it. That means no stars or anything else on the corner parts. In addition, the drawing that the submitter calls a sun is not a standard depiction of a sun which would be primarily round with small alternating straight and wavy rays. If the submitter desires a mullet or compass star then the lesser points should be made larger.

According to our conflict check, the closest depiction which we could register would be for the submitter to pull the points of the yellow area away from the edges of the shield to turn it into a lozenge and to redraw the sun in a standard depiction. The blazon would then be Azure, mullety argent, on a lozenge ploye Or, a sun gules. We note that to create a true mullety with the lozenge charge, the mullets should be drawn in a manner that makes it appear that the stars go under the lozenge.


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