Minutes of the July, 2007 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 8 July 2007, at Eilis O'Boirne's home in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:35 pm and ended at 2:30 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric/Sable Swan; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Astrith of Swansvale, Brachet; Walraven van Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Emma FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull Pursuivant; Gaius M.L. Auklandus, Maxen ap Morgan, and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; and Vigdis vestfirzka, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: are September 9, October 21 and November 18. The tentative schedule for meetings in 2008 is January 6, February 3, March 16, April 13, May 18, June 8, August 16 (SAT!), September 21, October 26 and November 16. Meetings start at noon. The Fall Herald's Collegium will be November 17, 2007. The Spring Heralds' Collegium will be March 15 and 16, 2008.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.


Frederick Banner: Courts are happening; Their Majesties are joy to work with. The Ceremony Book is in good order. Western White Scarf is being worked on.

Astrith Brachet: Business has been light, but now that some of the "regulars" are going out of town, it has gotten busy. People who can possibly attend are being encouraged to attend in the next few weeks. Notification of cancelled meetings will be made on WKHeralds.

Owen Latimer: Table was busy at June Crown; there was a report that someone left "upset", but this report has not been confirmed. There is a new Latimer bibliography separated into "active" and "inactive". Owen will investigate some book purchases. The draft instructions are ready to be used.

Wilhelm Baldric: write up the Spring Tri-Kingdom Collegium. Suggestions to Wilhelm on classes, etc. Videotape courts, fields.

Fall Collegium: still checking for sites in the South Bay, but Letitia's place is a fall-back site. Senior staff year-in-review in the AM; looking for class suggestions. Awards list submission, review of new forms, managing volunteers.

Gillian Seawolf: recruiting heavily for fall Coronet; working up ceremony for Coeur d'Azure.

Sable Swan: Cynaguan Ceremony Book is updated - the Black Wing is included. Sucessors: Elysant is only deputy, but does not want to be successor. Brendan thinking, wants to see how school goes. Still accepting deputies. Three tournaments next weekend.


Submission Forms - As of May 2007, Laurel is requiring all submissions to be made on the new submission forms. No old forms will be accepted after May 2007. The new forms are on the Kingdom web site NOW. There are a number of changes on the new forms.

Name Form - If you check the authentic box, your name will be changed to be authentic even if it would otherwise be passable in its submitted form. The forms no longer have a place for alternate names. Badge Form - The badge form is now square. Branch Name Form - There is now a separate Branch Name Form to remind branches of the need for a petition, etc.

New instructions are being prepared for distribution with the new forms. We are making some changes to our submission procedures to accommodate changes by Laurel, such as requiring a line drawing for devices and badges to allow scanning into OSCAR.

For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.

Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.

We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

The 2008 Known World Heraldic and Scribes Symposium will be held in the Kingdom of Drachenwald (London, England) on September 5-7, 2008, which is Labor Day weekend.



SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the device form, and 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.


The LoAR for March 2007 was published in June 2007. We did not submit a LoI for this meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - March 2007

Elswyth of Bery. Reblazon of device.

Argent, in pale three holly leaves vert stems conjoined in pile issuant from six torteaux conjoined three, two and one.
Registered September 1990 with the blazon Argent, three holly leaves vert stems conjoined and issuant in base from six torteaux conjoined three, two and one, the blazon did not clearly indicate that the torteaux are co-primary charges, nor did it describe the orientation of the holly leaves. We have corrected these omissions.

Michael of Dragonswood. Reblazon of device.

Azure, a dragon displayed Or, a chief ermine.
Registered March 1975 with the blazon Azure, a dragon forcene affronty, wings semidisplayed Or, a chief ermine, we have reblazoned the device to clarify the dragon's posture.

Rowena d'Anjou. Reblazon of badge.

Azure, on a pile inverted argent a swan naiant affronty, wings elevated and addorsed, head to sinister sable.
Registered in November 1979 with the blazon Azure, on a pile inverted argent a swan affrontée, wings addorsed, head to sinister, sable, it is currently listed in the O&A as a device with the note "should have been changed/released?". While we agree that this most likely should have been released, we are reluctant to do so at this late date without Rowena's permission. We have therefore redesignated it as a badge and reblazoned it to clarify the posture of the swan. This blazon is similar to that of her device, which was registered in May 1980, Azure, on a pile inverted throughout between two fleur-de-lis argent a swan naiant affrontée, wings elevated and addorsed, head to sinister, sable. The swan is identical in both pieces of armory.

West - Returns - March 2007.


In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 8 July, XLII (2007)


Alexander de Blare     (Silver Desert)     Device Resubmission to Laurel

Per chevron gules and Or, three quatrefoils counterchanged.
The submitter's name was registered 01/07. The device was returned by Laurel for a re-draw on the 01/07 LoAR because the field division line was drawn too low. It has been resubmitted with the per chevron line drawn in the correct position.

Celestria Textrix     (Eskalya)     Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Or, fretty azure, on a pile vert, an owl contourny argent.
The submitter's name was included on the West Kingdom LoI of 1/07.

Muirenn ingen Brain     (Rivenoak)     Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Argent, a shamrock and on a chief wavy vert, three hearts argent.
The submitter's name was registered 06/06. The submitter's original device submission, Vert, a tree blasted an on a chief wavy argent, three shamrocks bendwise vert was returned in-Kingdom on the 1/07 minutes for a conflict.

Olivia Bunny     (Winter's Gate)     New Name and Device

Or, a brown rabbit salient proper, a bordure vert semy of cinquefoils Or.
The name was submitted as Olivia the Bunny - "the" was dropped to register the name. Olivia is found as a female given name in Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night", which was written between 1599 and 1601. The first recorded production of "Twelfth Night" was February 2, 1602 (http://www.william-shakespeare.info/shakespeare-play-twelfth-night.htm). Bunny is found on p.72 of Reaney & Wilson at Bunney, Bunny - it is dated in the spelling to Richard Bunny in 1309.

Quentyn Ayerie     (Southern Shores)     Device Resubmission to Laurel

Quarterly sable and gules, an oak tree eradicated and on a chief indented Or, three compass stars gules.
His most recent submission of Quarterly sable and gules, an oak tree eradicated and on a chief Or, three compass stars gules was submitted to Laurel on our 3/07 letter, but was withdrawn at the submitter's request in 5/07. The full text of the withdrawal from the Minutes:
This submission was included on the West Kingdom LOI of 2\07. Commenters on OSCAR have indicated a conflict which is not included in the written O&A because there hasn't been a print update since June 2004, which hampers our ability to perform heraldic research. Rather than waiting to receive the rejection, the submitter hereby withdraws this submission and will resubmit his device next month.

Wilhelm von Homburg     (Champclair)     New Badge

(fieldless) A cannon sable.
The submitter's name was registered 01/91.


Caitriona of Magh Tuireadh     (Canale)     Return of New Name and Device

Per chevron ployé sable and vert, two triquetras and a wolf's head cabossed argent.
The submitter will not accept major changes to the name.

Unfortunately, due to three distinct problems with the name and the submitter not allowing major changes, we have to return the name submission.

  1. For the given name, the submitter cites Index of Names in Irish Annals: Caitríona (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/... -- Mari Elspeth nic Bryan), which cites the name in various spellings as occurring 15 times between 1360 and 1607. However, all the spellings similar to the one submitted have the fada over the second "i". This would not be acceptable in a Gaelic context.
  2. For the byname, the submitter includes a citation from A Dictionary of Celtic Mythology by James MacKillop, published in the Oxford Paperback Reference series. On p.320 at Mag Tuired, Magh Tuireadh, etc., it states that this is a fabled place name, site of two battles between the Tuatha Dé Danann and their enemies. While there seem to be several places identified as this site, there does not seem to be an indication that there was a singular and non-legendary place that bore this name in the information provided. We cannot find evidence of this place as a real Irish location.
  3. The byname mixes English and Irish, which is not allowed. Since there are no major changes allowed, and change of language is defined as a major change, we cannot correct this problem. In general, place names in Gaelic are tricky; there are not many period examples available.
Because the name submission cannot be sent on, we additionally have to return the device. The device was blazoned by the submitter as Vert chapé ployé sable, a wolf's head cabossed argent and in chief two triquetras argent, but the point does not touch the top of the shield, so the division is actually per chevron, which is actually better since chapé may not be charged.

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