Minutes of the January, 2007 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 7 January XLI (2007)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 7 January 2007, at the Doubletree Hotel in Modesto. The meeting started at 10:15 am and ended at 3:30 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Edith Laufare, Seawolf; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric and Sable Swan; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Hirsh von Henford, Golem; Walraven van Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Astrith of Swansvale, Brachet; Moira O'Connor, Greencloak; Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, Harpy; Annora coupe rose, Nebuly; Vigdís vestfirzka, Sable Quill; Emma FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull; Kathryn Blackhart, Acting Borderwinds; Elinora O'Connor, Acting Glora Fjord; Adriana Tacita, Pinnacle; Acelin d'Alsop, Blackmark; Khaalid al-Jaraad, Snowbound; Vincenzo Saracina, Golden Rivers; Catalina Estevez de Teixeira, Fettburg; Christian de Holacombe, Windy Meads; Gaius Auklandus, Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilim, Maxen ap Morgan, Morgan ap Siral and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; Anne of Montaigne du Roi, Effric Neyn Kenzecht, Nicodemus Radomirz, and Urtatim al-Qurtwbiyya, Cornets; Africa nic Shiomha nic Gill'onfhaidh, Daniel de Hales, Gillian Trenowyth, Johanna Ludwiger von Hertesbergk and Josef of Pelmyre, Guests; Aldith Angharad St. George Artist, and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The upcoming meetings are: are February 4, March 11, April 15, May 13, June 10, July 8, September 9, October 21 and November 18. Meetings start at noon. The Spring Herald's Collegium will be on March 10 and the Fall Herald's Collegium will be November 17. The Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium in CAID is June 14-17.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

MEETING DISCUSSION NOTES
We are in the process of updating the roster. All the roster letters have gone out so if you didn't get one, you are not on the roster. On the form of roster to be reviewed, the colors mean as follows: White - You sent back your letter and your information is correct. Yellow - A roster letter was sent and you did not respond. Please fill in your membership number if you a branch herald or simply "accepted" otherwise and we will consider you to have responded. The roster has been signed by Their Majesties and we are now official.

Submission Forms - As of May 2007, Lauurel is requiring all submissions to be made on the new submission forms. No old forms will be accepted after May 2007. The new forms will be placed on the Kingdom web site shortly. There are a number of changes on the new forms.

Name Form - If you check the authentic box, your name will be changed to be authentic even if it would otherwise be passable in its submitted form. The forms no longer have a place for alternate names. Badge Form - The badge form is now square. Branch Name Form - There is now a separate Branch Name Form to remind branches of the need for a petition, etc.

New instructions are being prepared for distribution with the new forms. We are making some changes to our submission procedures to accommodate changes by Laurel, such as requiring a line drawing for devices and badges to allow scanning into OSCAR.

Attendance at Collegia has been spotty. To improve the College, we are submitting input on what sorts of classes the College would like to see. Suggested classes include (a) Court Business Arrangement, (b) round table discussions of the hows and whys of the methods and procedures of the College, (c) more cross-functional classes aimed at royalty, court members and others to expose them to heraldic topics and create more interest and involvement in the College, (d) vocal projection for heralds, royals and bards, (e) heraldic drawing for scribes and heralds, (f) how to fill out the new forms, (g) how to find long term and short term help for heraldic tasks, and (h) how the heralds relate to the other officers and the functioning of branches, tournaments and other administrative tasks.

Local heralds would appreciate senior staff assisting by arranging more road show consultation tables and by making themselves more available to local heralds when they are attending local events. Articles on heraldry for local newsletters would raise the profile of the College as would more regalia. We need to get the word out that persons who are serving as consorts can still help with field heraldry and that we will make accommodations to allow those who are consorting to pay attention to their fighters too.

The PE test will be scanned and available on line so that people can take the test and send it in to Vesper.

UPCOMING EVENTS
Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric Herald, will be speaking with A&S about allowing the College of Heralds sponsor the A&S pavilion at a Crown or Coronation so that we can hold classes for the general populace to help encourage the heraldic arts and a greater understanding of the basic rules. We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

The next Known World Heraldic and Scribes Symposium will be in CAID. If you fill your car will heralds to attend, the College will assist with gas money.

PERSONNEL -- POSITION CHANGES:

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE: GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

CYNAGUAN COMMENTING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

HERALDIC PUBLICATIONS
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR
The LoAR for August 2006 was published in mid December 2006, covering our April 2006 meeting. The LoAR for September 2006 was published in early January 2007, covering our May 2006 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - August 2006

Cecilia Palazzolo. Name.

Dietrich Jorgen von Marksburg. Name and device. Vert ermined, a chevron between two crescents and a dragon argent.

Originally submitted as Dietrich Jorgan von Marksburg, the name was changed at kingdom to Dietrich Jürgen von Marksburg at kingdom because no documentation could be found for Jorgan. It is unclear why the form Jürgen was chosen, as no documentation for this form was provided on the LoI. Aryhanhwy merch Catmael, "German Names from 1495" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/ german1495.html) shows the name Jorgen as both a given name and a surname. We have changed the name to Dietrich Jorgen von Marksburg in order to register it.

No documentation was provided for the the given name Jürgen; the name that was substituted by the kingdom. We remind submissions heralds that, if you change a name in kingdom, you must provide appropriately summarized documentation for the changed name. You must also justify the changes you make. Failure to do so may be cause for returning a name.

Elisheva bint Sitt al-Sirr. Name and device. Sable, two roses in pale and a gore Or.

Submitted as Elisheva_Sitt al-Sirr, as submitted this name consisted of a Hebrew given name and an Arabic given name. However, no documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that Arabic given names were ever used alone as bynames in Hebrew names. We also have no evidence that unmarked patronymics or matronymics were used in Arabic names. To register this name, we must add an appropriate Arabic patronymic/matronymic marker. We have changed the name to Elishiva bint Sitt al-Sirr in order to register it.

The submitted requested an authentic Hebrew name. However, while the submitted byname is recorded as a name used by Jews in Egypt, it is not a Hebrew name. The submitted noted that if Elisheva Sitt al-Sirr was not registerable, she would accept a change to Elisheva bat Shoshana. We note that the College does not accept alternate submissions where the name is substantially different from the one submitted. However, if the submitter prefers this name, it is registerable.

Francesca Carletti. Device. Purpure, an estoile and a chief rayonny Or.

Julian of Redwood. Badge. Or, a crow volant wings addorsed sable maintaining in its beak a needle gules within a bordure sable.

Melanie of Canale. Name and device. Per bend sinister sable and gules, a pear within a bordure Or.

Melanie is the submitter's legal given name.

Philip the Gravedigger. Device. Sable, a death's head and on a chief embattled argent, three tankards sable.

Philip the Gravedigger. Badge. (Fieldless) On a tankard sable, a death's head argent.

Rosaline Hiver. Name change from Deredere the Naughty and device. Per fess sable estencelly argent and vert, a fess dancetty argent.

Submitted as Rosaline d'Hiver, in French names, the preposition de is only used with placenames and some patronymics. Dauzat, Dictionnaire Étymologique des Noms de Famille et Prénoms says that the etymology is confused and that it may be from the name Yver, a given name of Germanic origin, or from the name Winter. In either case, the spelling Hiver is not found as a given name or as a placename, so the preposition is not appropriate in this case. We have changed the name to Rosaline_Hiver in order to register it.

Her old name, Deredere the Naughty, is released.

Please advise the submitter to draw the roundels of the estencelly larger.

Þyri blundr. Name.

WEST - Returns - August 2006 -- NONE!

WEST - Acceptances - September 2006

Aleit Pietersdochter. Name and device. Sable, a chevron erminois between three escutcheons argent.

Nice 15th C Flemish name!

Ayloara de Meddestane. Name.

There was some question whether the name Maidstone or Meddestane was temporally consistent with the 909 date for Ayloara. Mills, A Dictionary of British Placenames, s.n. Maidstone, dates Meddestane to the Domesday book. Therefore, this name is temporally consistent. However, it mixes a Frankish given name with an English placename as recorded in a Latin document. This is one step from period practice.

Custance Lymnour. Name.

Submitted as Constance Lymnour, the submitter requested a name authentic for the 14th C. The byname Lymnour is not found in this spelling until the late 15th C. However, the Oxford English Dictionary shows this spelling of the word in 1398. This is still very late in the 14th C, but this is not surprising since the OED does not show any form of Limner, a short form of Luminer, until 1389. This late emergence of the word suggests that the form Lymnour is not the best choice for a 14th C name, although it is a possible form. However, to make the name authentic Lymnour should be paired with a late 14th C form of the given name. Bardsley, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, s.n. Custance, shows Custance de Bergh. Forms of this name starting with Cu- rather than Con- are found throughout the 14th C; Bardesley also shows the given name Custans in 1379, and the surnames Custaunce, Custanson, and Custeson in the same year. We have changed the name to Custance Lymnour to fulfill her request for authenticity.

Enderlin Jäger. Name and device. Argent, a bend between six crescents gules.

Nice armory!

Esja hjaltlendingr. Name.

Esther of Darkhaven. Reblazon of badge. Argent, a wyvern contourny bendwise sinister, wings addorsed, sable.

Registered in January 1973 with the blazon Argent, a wivern volant to sinister semi-displayed sable, taloned, orbed and langued gules, that blazon did not adequately describe the wyvern's orientation and posture.

Gemini de Grendel. Badge. Sable, in fess two compass stars elongated to base argent.

The badge is allusive to the constellation Gemini but, as noted when his device was registered in March 2003, a single allusion is not excessive allusion. This badge can therefore be registered.

John Patten. Badge. (Fieldless) A chess rook purpure.

Kolskeggr skialdarbriótr fra Einkunnir. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Kolskeggr skjaldarbrotamaðr fra Einkunnir, skjaldarbrotamaðr is a constructed byname intended to mean "shield breaker". However, Argent Snail notes that this name might not have the intended meaning:
The translation of 'Shieldbreaker' is fairly long and clumsy. Lind Bynames also gives Brotamaðr the possible meaning of as 'having cramps, being epileptic'. Instead, we would suggest translation 'Shieldbreaker' as skjaldarbriotr (skialdabriótr if the exact spelling in Lind is followed.)

The first part appears in the byname 'skialdarband (Lind Bynames, column 323, under Skialdarband) and is what was intended to be used here anyway. The latter part -briótr appears in garðabriótr (fence-breaker), haugabriótr (gravehill breaker) and hornabriótr (hornbreaker), all of which seem to retain the same sense as the original the submitter is aiming at.

We have changed the name to Kolskeggr skialdarbrtr fra Einkunnir to give the byname the submitter's intended meaning. We note that Kolskeggr skjaldarbriótr í Einkunnir would be a more usual form for this name; while the preposition fra is occasionally found with locative bynames in Old Norse sagas, the preposition í is more common.

Rayna O'Donnell. Device. Vert, a natural dolphin naiant argent between three escallops Or.

Reynaud de Burgundy. Reblazon of device. Argent, a fox rampant proper maintaining in its dexter paw three arrows inverted Or within a bordure embattled gules.

Registered in August 1979 with the blazon Argent, a fox rampant proper grasping in dexter paw three arrows inverted Or within a bordure embattled gules, it was unclear whether the arrows were maintained or sustained. They are maintained.

Rhys ap Thomyn. Name and device. Per bend azure and purpure, a mullet of four points elongated to base argent and an open book Or.

West, Kingdom of the. Badge. Or, a demi-sun within an oak wreath vert.

West - Returns - September 2006

Friedrich Sybold. Device. Vert, in chief three lozenges and on a base rayonny argent an annulet vert.

This device is returned for redraw of the line of division. The line is more angular then rayonny. Drawn with three rayons, there needs to be at least one more rayon in the rayonny - and doubling the number would be better..

Kolskeggr skialdarbriótr fra Einkunnir. Device. Quarterly vert and argent, in fess two lightning bolts Or.

This device must be returned as no form was received by Laurel.

Leohtulf of the Silver Hills and Gillian Trenowyth. Joint badge. Per bend gules and azure, a heart and a wolf's head cabossed argent.

This badge is returned for redraw as the line of division is halfway between per bend and per fess. The field cannot be accurately blazoned, and so per RfS VIII.7.b cannot be registered.

This problem was not noted by the commenters because the mini-emblazon on the LoI does not match the submission forms. Such a mismatch is by itself sufficient reason for return.

In Service,

Kiriana
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 7 January XLI (2007)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Angelo d'Amico     (Bestwodeshire)     New Device

Per fess embattled argent and azure, two bunches of grapes and a Latin cross counterchanged.
The submitter's name was registered 2/03.

Celestria Textrix     (Eskalya)     New Name; See Returns for Device
The submitter desires an authentic female English name. Celestria is listed on the Laurel web site in Talan Gwynek's article on English feminine given names as a given name in found in Reaney dated to 1206 and 1221. Textrix is a textile related surname listed in 12th & 13th Century English Textile Surnames by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, found at http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/textile.html.

Cristina Angelini     (Bestwodeshire)     New Device

Vert, a pair of wings conjoined and in chief a Latin cross argent.
The submitter's name was registered 2/03.

Kolskeggr skialdarbriótr fra Einkunnir     (Allyshia)     Resubmission of Device to Laurel

Quarterly vert and argent, in fess two lightening bolts Or.
The submitter's name was registered 9/06. The device was returned for a lack of forms.

Merewyn of Ynys Taltraeth     (Ynys Taltraeth)     New Name; See Returns for Device
The submitter desires a female Welsh name. Merewyn is stated to be a somewhat unusual spelling of the name Mærwynn dated to the Tenth Century according to Saint Gabriel Report 2544, (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2544). The submitter lives in the Canton of Ynys Taltraeth and the branch name was registered May 2001.

Merewyn of Ynys Taltraeth     (Ynys Taltraeth)     New Badge

Fieldless, an amphisbaena purpure.
The name is submitted above.

Ysabella Dolfin     (Teufelberg)     New Name and Device

Azure, a dolphin haurient and on a chief Or, three seeblätter azure.
The submitter desires a female name. Ysabella is listed as a feminine given name in Feminine Given Names from Thirteenth Century Perugia by Arval Benicoeur (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/perugia). Dolfin is listed as a masculine name in Fifteenth Century Venetian Masculine Names by Sara L. Uckelman, (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/venice.html). While the article lists the name as a masculine given name, it is also listed as a family name, so the name is correctly formed.

ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Celestria Textrix     (Eskalya)     Return of Device Submission

Or, fretty azure, on a pile ployé throughout vert, an owl close contourney argent.
This device must be returned for redrawing. The submitter indicated that she desires chausse, but one side of the drawing comes from the top and the other from the corner. In addition, the frets line up as though they were continuous on the field and the lower (outer) portions of a chausse may not be charged, fretty in this instance being a charge made up of multiple frets rather than a field treatment. Therefore if the submitter desires chausse, the fretty must be removed. If the submitter desires to come as closely as possible to the picture submitted, the edges of the vert area should be moved in along the top of the device to make a proper pile. We found no conflicts for the device with the above blazon, had it been drawn correctly.

Merewyn of Ynys Taltraeth     (Ynys Taltraeth)     Return of Device Submission

Argent, an amphisbaena vert, a ford proper.
This device conflicts with the device of Galen of Kildromy, Argent, a wyvern erect contourney vert maintaining a sword inverted sable, a ford proper. The only change here is the addition of "another beast" which only provides us with one visual difference.

Morwyn Ruidhe     (Darkwood)     Return of Name and Device Submissions

Sable, a shark urinant contourney in trian aspect argent.
The submitter desires a female name. We cannot document the element Morwyn as an individualized given name as it could only be found in our research as part of a compound name in conjunction with another given name. We assume that the submitter's goal is to have a byname meaning red, given the alternates listed in her submission. We would therefore suggest that she consider resubmitting the documented forms of these names, which would be Morwynveir Goch.

We must return the device since we are returning the name submission, but wish to note to the submitter some issues that must be readdressed in any later resubmission. The position of the shark is not standard and we have done our best to blazon it. Fish should not be drawn in trian aspect (three-dimensionally). To make the charge recognizable, the dorsal fin should be visible and only one of the front fins should show.

Muirenn ingen Brain     (Rivenoak)     Return of Device Submission

Vert, a tree blasted and on a chief wavy argent, three shamrocks bendwise vert.
The submitter's name was registered 6/06. This conflicts with the device of Serena Verran, Vert, a pine tree and on a chief urdy argent, three quatrefoils vert. There is no difference counted between an urdy line of division and wavy, nor any difference between a shamrock bendwise and a quatrefoil. The only clear, visual difference is therefore the change from a blasted tree to a pine tree which, while a good difference, is not a complete difference of charge so as to allow this registration with only one difference.


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