Minutes of the February, 2007 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 4 February 2007, at the Eilis O'Boirne's home in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:10 pm and ended at 3:30 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Edith Laufare, Seawolf; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric and Sable Swan; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Hirsh von Henford, Golem; Walraven van Nijmegen, Exchequer to the College; Astrith of Swansvale, Brachet; Vigdís vestfirzka, Sable Quill; Emma FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull; Aurelia de Montfort, Vinhold Pursuivant; Felix MacAvady, St. Katherine's Pursuivant; Maxen ap Morgan, and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; Elsa Saxenhammer and Nicodemus Radomirz; Volker von dem Walde and Bjorn Helgison, Guests; Aldith Angharad St. George Artist, and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: are March 11, April 15, May 13, June 10, July 8, September 9, October 21 and November 18. Meetings start at noon. The Spring Herald's Collegium will be on March 10 and the Fall Herald's Collegium will be November 17. The Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium in CAID is June 14-17.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.


Submission Forms - As of May 2007, Laurel is requiring all submissions to be made on the new submission forms. No old forms will be accepted after May 2007. The new forms are on the Kingdom web site NOW. There are a number of changes on the new forms. Name Form - If you check the authentic box, your name will be changed to be authentic even if it would otherwise be passable in its submitted form. The forms no longer have a place for alternate names. Badge Form - The badge form is now square. Branch Name Form - There is now a separate Branch Name Form to remind branches of the need for a petition, etc. New instructions are being prepared for distribution with the new forms. We are making some changes to our submission procedures to accommodate changes by Laurel, such as requiring a line drawing for devices and badges to allow scanning into OSCAR.

Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric Herald, will be speaking with A&S about allowing the College of Heralds sponsor the A&S pavilion at a Crown or Coronation so that we can hold classes for the general populace to help encourage the heraldic arts and a greater understanding of the basic rules. We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

The next Known World Heraldic and Scribes Symposium will be in CAID. If you fill your car will heralds to attend, the College will assist with gas money.



SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the device form, and 4 colored copies and 1 black and white of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

The LoAR for October 2006 was published in late January 2007, covering our June 2006 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - October 2006

Custance Lymnour. Device. Or, a sprig of three lilies gules slipped and leaved vert and a gore sinister azure.

Esja hjaltlendingr. Device. Quarterly Or and purpure, in cross four suns counterchanged.

Griffin Garret. Device. Quarterly gules and sable, in bend two griffins Or.

The submitter has permission to conflict with the device of Hywela Frech ferch Wyddel, Per bend sinister vert and vair, in bend two griffins segreant Or.

Jeffery of Jarrow. Device. Per chevron gules and azure, a chevron embattled counterembattled Or.

This device is clear of Auric von Regensburg's device, Per pale gules and sable, a chevron embattled Or. There is one CD for the change to the field. A chevron embattled is embattled on the upper edge only. There is a CD between a chevron embattled and a chevron embattled-counter-embattled, which is embattled on both the upper and lower edge.

Soga Ryoichi Fusamitsu. Name.

West, Kingdom of the. Reblazon of badge for the College of Bards. Purpure, a hunting horn reversed Or.

Registered in January 1973 with the blazon Purpure, a hunting horn Or, the bell of the horn is to sinister. As the default huntiing horn has its bell to dexter, this has been reblazoned to correctly specify the horn's orientation.

Wuscfrea of Copemantorp. Name.

Submitted as Uuscfrea of Copemantorp, the submitter requested an authentic 10th/11th C name. We note that Copemantorp is found in this spelling in the Domesday book, so it is a fine 11th C spelling. The question is, though, is it Old English? The language of the Domesday book is Latin, so we would not expect the English preposition of here. Furthermore, the village of Copemanthorpe is four miles southwest of York, and Ekwall derives the name from Old Scandinavian rather than Old English. However, Copemant[h]orp does seem to have been a standard Middle English form for this name, so of would be appropriate (if not authentic for an Old English name). The article from which the given name was documented, Ælfwyn æt Gyrwum, "Anglo-Saxon Names" (www.s-gabriel.org/names/aelfwyn/bede.html), gives Wuscfrea as an Old English translation of the Latin Uuscfrea. The submitter has indicated that he will accept a change to Wuscfrea of Copemantorp and prefers this form if changes must be made. We have changed the name to Wuscfrea of Copemantorp to partially fulfill the submitter's request for authenticity.

WEST - Returns - October 2006 -- NONE!

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 4 February, XLI (2007)


Aidan of Castlewood   (Hawkshaven)   New Name
The submitter desires a male name and is the son of Jared of Castlewood, whose name was registered 5/89. A birth certificate is included showing the familial relationship. Aidan is the submitter's modern given name, which is acceptable for registration. Its use in period is shown by the listing in O'Corrain and Maguire under the header spelling Aedan on page 13, under which it states that Aidan is the common form used to Anglicize the name.

Benjamin of Castlewood   (Hawkshaven)   New Name
The submitter desires a male name and is the son of Jared of Castlewood, whose name was registered 5/89. A birth certificate is included showing the familial relationship. Benjamin is the submitter's modern given name, which is acceptable for registration as shown by the presence of Benjamin in the Bible.

Björn Helgason   (Vinhold)   New Name and Device

Per fess Or and per pale gules and azure, in chief a bull passant contourney maintaining in its mouth a pennant sable.
The submitter desires an authentic male Icelandic name. Björn is a Nordic name dated to 935 in the Laxdaela Saga which can be found at www.northvegr.org/lore/laxdaela/003.php. Helgi is a given name listed in Geirr Bassi on page 11. According to Geirr Bassi, the patronymic is correctly formed.

Constance Lymnour   (Teufelberg)   Appeal of Form of Name Registration
The submitter's name was registered on the 9/06 LoAR as Custance Lymnour. The form submitted was Constance, which was documented as an English given name dated to 1273 in Withycombe, p. 72. It is a family name for the submitter and very important to her. Unfortunately, she checked the authenticity box on the form, not realizing that this would cause the College to change her name as to both form and pronounciation. She is very upset over this change and appeals to the College to allow her to have her name in the above form as it was a documented form and she checked the authenticity box in error.

Erik of Havn   (Mists)   New Name
The submitter desires a male name and will not accept major or minor changes. He is the son of Henrik of Havn, whose name was registered 1/73. A birth certificate is included to show the familial relationship. Erik is the submitter's modern name and is acceptable for registration in the SCA.

Leanne of Havn   (Mists)   New Name
The submitter desires a female name and will not accept major or minor changes. She is the daughter of Henrik of Havn, whose name was registered 1/73. A birth certificate is included to show the familial relationship. Leanne is the submitter's modern name and is acceptable for registration in the SCA.

Niall Mór mac Cernaich   (St. Katherine)   Resubmission of Name to Laurel; New Device

Per bend sinister azure and lozengy vert and argent, in dexter chief a mullet of four points Or.
The submitter desires a male Irish Gaelic name. The submitter's previous name submission, Niall Mór, was returned by Laurel on the 6/06 LoAR because it was viewed as presumptuous of the Irish King Niall Naoighiallach who was also known as Niall Mór. The submitter hopes that the addition of the byname will clear the presumption.. Niall is found in O'Corrain & Maguire on page 145 and in Black under the header spelling Niallgus, on page 628. Mór is found in O'Corrain & Maguire on page 162, in Scandlán Mór mac Cind Faelad and on page 131 in Máel Sechnaill Mór macDomnaill. Cernach is listed in 100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland, by Heather Rose Jones, (http://heatherrosejones.com/names/goedelic/obrien/100mostpopularmen.html and on the Laurel web site) which also indicates that the above form is the correct genitive form of the name.

The original device submission, Per bend sinster azure and lozengy vert and argent, in dexter chief a sun Or, conflicted with a badge of the Kingdom of Atenveldt, Per fess azure and argent, in canton a sun Or. There is one difference for the change of the field only. It also conflicted with a badge of Ansteorra, (Fieldless) A mullet of five greater and five lesser points distilling gouttes Or. There is one difference for the field, but nothing for the gouttes. The above is the submitter's first alternate.


Ayre Quinlan MacAndrew   (Southern Shores)   Return of Name and Device

Checky sable and gules, an oak tree fructed and eradicated Or.
The submitter desires a male Scots Celtic name and will not accept any changes to his first name. Unfortunately, we are unable to document the first name as a first name or in this spelling. While we found it as a surname and as a place name in this spelling, we did not find it as a given name. Since the submitter will not allow any changes to the first name, we must return this submission.

Without a name submission, we cannot send on the device. We would have to return the device regardless because a field of many pieces, such as checky, must have good contrast between the parts, which cannot be achieved with gules and sable. This device also conflicts with the important non-SCA of Della Rovere, the Dukes of Urbino, Azure, an oak tree eradicated, its four branches knotted in saltire Or.

Leonardo da Larian   (Warrior's Gate)   Return of Name and Device

Per pale sable and gules, a griffin segreant contourney regardant and in sinister base, a tower Or.
The submitter desires an authentic Twelfth Century Northern Italian name and will not accept major changes to his name. Leonardo was a common Italian Twelfth Century name, as in Leonardo Pisano Fibonacci who lived from 1170 to 1250. While the submitter provided a nice write up of the history of Larian as a region, we cannot determine what it was called in Italian nor do we know what spelling was used in the Twelfth Century. We must therefore return this name.

We cannot send on a device submission without a concurrent name submission. The device would have to be returned for redrawing regardless. The griffin is in a non-standard form and position, with the head bent back and down and the bottom legs not clearly one straight down and one raised, as is standard for a segreant position.

Niamh MacGiollarnath   (Vinhold)   Return of Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per chevron rayonny sable and gules, in base a phoenix Or.
The submitter's first submission, under the name Nia McGhill, was returned for documentation in 11/03; the device was returned at that time for the position of the wolf and for style problems. The submitter's second submission, under the name Nia McGhille, was returned for a lack of documentation for the byname. The device was returned for slot machine heraldry.

The submitter desires an Irish name. While Niamh is documented in O'Corrain and Maguire as a modern form under the header spelling Niam, on p. 146, the proposed by name cannot be registered. If treated as Gaelic, it is a masculine form, which does not match a female first name. It is also Scottish, not Irish. The closest we could document was Mac an ghoill, found in Black, p. 497, under the header spelling MacGill. We also noted Macgilvernock under the header spelling Macilvernock on page 515. We will therefore return this name to give the submitter an opportunity to decide what she would prefer.

The submitter's first device submission was Sable, in canton a phoenix Or and a dexter gore gules. This device violates the Rule of Tincture because a gore is a charge and a red charge may not be placed on a black field. The submitter's second submission was Gules, vetu sable fibriated Or, a phoenix Or. Vetu cannot be fimbriated. The above device was the third alternate. This device conflicts with the device of Harald Haakonson, Per chevron argent and vert, in base a phoenix Or.

Zinaida Or'shaia   (Darkwood)   Return of Name and Device Submissions

Azure, a "crescent moon" conjoined to a sun ray fesswise Or.
The submitter desires a female Russian name and will not accept major or minor changes. Zinaida is listed as a period Russian name dated to 1356 on the Laurel web site in Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Period Russian Names. Or'shinaia is listed as a "Wife of" form dated to the Twelfth Century derived from Or'sha, presumed to mean horseman in Russian Personal Names: Name Frequency in the Novgorod Birch-Bark Letters, by Masha Gedilaghine Holl, found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/predslava/bbl/women.html. The submitter is apparently using the grammatical notes in the article on the Laurel web site to move from Or'sha to Or'shaia as the simplest grammatical change to create an adjectival byname from the root word listed in the St. Gabriel article. Unfortunately, this is not a correct grammatical construction for a feminine form. Or'sha is not a surname; it is simply a word from which names have been derived. The form Or'shinaia would have been acceptable, but we cannot make this change because the submitter does not allow any changes.

Without a name submission, we cannot send the device on. In any event, we would need to return the device for redrawing. The crescent moon is not drawn as either a heraldic moon or as a heraldic crescent or as a heraldic comet. The issuance of a single sun ray makes the charge unidentifiable and incapable of reproduction from the blazon. An increscent moon would have a face, but is shaped like a full crescent with the addition of the small face.

If the charge is an increscent or increscent moon, the device will conflict with device of Roger the Golliard, Azure, seated in an increscent moon Or, a nude maiden holding a veil proper within an orle Or. Any resubmission should be sure to clear this conflict.

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