Minutes of the September, 2006 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 10 September 2006, at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:25 pm and ended at 2:45 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Banner; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly and Exchequer to the College; Astrith of Swansvale, Brachet; Vigdís vestfirzka, Snowbound; Felix MacAvady, St. Katherine; Emma FitzWilliam, Acting Silver Gull; Maxen ap Morgan and Na'arah bat Avraham, Pursuivants at Large; Constance Lymnor, Artist; Elsa Saxenkammer, Cornet; Nicodemus Radomirow, Annora Coupe Rose, and Aleit Peitersdochter, Guests; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: are October 15, November 12, January 7, February 3, March 18, April 15, May 13, June 10, July 8. Meetings start at noon.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.


Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper Principal Herald, will be sending out new roster letters to all branch heralds, senior staff and others who are listed on her current roster, to confirm contact information, offices and ranks. If you believe that you are a rostered herald and have not gotten your letter by October Crown, please contact Eilis because she does not have you on her roster.

Owen ap Morgan, Latimer Herald is exploring the idea of taking the Consultation Table to events in the Marches and farther reaches of the Kingdom. If you are interested in helping with this, please let him know.

The next Herald's Collegium will be held in Champclair on November 19. There will be several classes relating to court heraldry and protocol and a recap of the field and duty heraldry this past year. We hope to encourage courtiers and other non-heralds who would be assisted by a greater understanding of courts and protocol to come to this event.

Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric Herald, will be speaking with A&S about setting up some basic classes to be held at Crowns and Coronations for the general populace to help encourage the heraldic arts and a greater understanding of the basic rules.



SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

The LoAR for May 2006 was published in August 2006, covering our January 2006 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - May 2006:

Acelin de Alsop. Name change from holding name Beth of Westermark.

Christian de Holacombe. Badge. (Fieldless) A paternoster gules, its cross Or.

This is the defining instance of a paternoster. It is an oval of even sized beads with a cross pendant at the bottom. The cross is essentially a maintained charge, thus a paternoster will not receive a CD from a necklace. The documentation presented supports this style of paternoster or a paternoster with two sizes of beads - small beads with larger beads at intervals. There is no heraldic difference for the size of the beads.

Duibheasa inghean Fhlainn. Name and device. Or, three triskeles and a bordure vert.

Submitted as Dubheasa inghean Flann, the submitter requested an authentic Irish name. Although Dubheasa is a plausible spelling variant of a name listed as Dubh Easa in Ó Corrain and Maguire, Irish Names s.n. Dubh Easa, and found in the Annals of the Four Masters as Duibheasa, at this time we have no recorded examples of this particular variation. While it is registerable, a documented form is preferable in authentic names. The patronymic is in the nominative case rather than the required genitive case. In addition, Gaelic grammar requires that the patronymic be lenited. We have changed the name to Duibheasa inghean Fhlainn in order to register it and correct the grammar. The name is one that might reasonably have been found in the 14th C. Annála Connacht, has a riain h. Flainn in 1341.

The spelling Dubheasa was cited as appearing on the website titled "Irish Ancient Names" (http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/urush-names-naming.htm), although the spellings found on this page are actually Dubhdeasa and Dudeasa. The site cites a source for the names listed there (barely--it gives the author's name); the ultimate source is O'Hart, Irish Pedigrees. O'Hart contains names both pre- and post-1600, but this webpage gives no indication that this is the case. Nor does the webpage list any dates for the names that appear there. As such, the "Irish Ancient Names" website is not appropriate for use as documentation for purposes of registration.

Euphemia Cotter. Name.

Fujiwara Kanesada. Name and device. Per bend gules and sable, two bezants.

There is a more than 300 year gap between the dates given for the surname and the given name. This is one step from period practice.

Godrich von Appenzell. Name change from Athelgar Gabelbart.

Submitted as Godric von Appenzell, as documented, this name combines Frankish and Middle High German. In August, 2002, such combinations were ruled unregisterable:
[Lothar von Koln] The Frankish and Middle High German languages were not in use at the same time. Therefore, just as in the case of Old Norse and Scots, since the two languages in question would not have been used at the same time, these two languages are not registerable in a single name. [An Tir, August, 2002]

However, Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, s.n. Godric, notes the form Godrich in 1273. English and German combinations are registerable, but a step from period practice. Withycombe also notes that Godric "seems to be a specifically Old English name, without any corresponding Old German form"; no documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that the name was ever part of the Middle German naming pool. We have changed the name to Godrich von Appelzell in order to register it.

The submitter requested a name authentic for 14-15th C Alpine Germany. Because we have no evidence that Godric was ever part of the High German naming pool, we are unable to fulfill his request. However, if he is interested in a German God- name appropriate for his period, there are several names he might want to consider. The name Goetfrid or Götfrid appears in archives from Regensberg in 1348 (Fontes Civitatis Ratisponensis, http://bhgw20.kfunigraz.ac.at/index.htm); the forms Gotz and Götz are found in the same archive in 1387. Since Regensberg is in southwestern Bavaria, these examples should be reasonable choices for both his place and time. In particular, we would recommend Goetfrid Appenzeller as an excellent 14th C German name.

His old name, Athelgar Gabelbart, is released.

Janet Breakstone. Reblazon of device. Azure, a brunette harpy displayed proper, the avian part argent, maintaining in its dexter talon a skull argent.

Apparently registered in January 1973 with the blazon Azure, a harpy displayed grasping in her dexter talon a human skull, all proper, a proper has not previously been defined for a harpy. A harpy proper, like a centaur proper, has Caucasian human parts. When not specified, the plumage is brown. Janet's harpy has argent feathers and therefore is not proper. While SCA blazon does not generally repeat tinctures, in this case we have deliberately repeated the argent in order to clarify the blazon.

Volker von dem Walde. Name and device. Per pale sable and gules, two dragons Or.

WEST - Returns - May 2006:


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SUBMISSONS – 10 September XLI (2006)


Aibhilín inghean Eoghain     (Golden Rivers)     New Name, see Returns for Device
The submitter desires a Sixteenth Century Irish female name and will not accept major changes. Aibhilín and Eoghan are Sixteenth Century Irish Gaelic names correctly formed into a patronymic according to Historical Name Generator: Sixteenth Century Irish and Scottish Gaelic Names for Irish Gaelic Woman with Patronymic Byname by Sharon L. Krossa as found at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/hng16gaelic/irishwomanpat.php?given_id=2&byname_id=38&stage=results. We note the name of Eibhlín mac Eogan, which does not represent a conflict by Laurel ruling regarding the difference in sound and language of the change from inghean to mac.

Alexander de Blare     (Silver Desert)     New Name and Device
Per chevron gules and Or, three quatrefoils counterchanged.
The submitter desires a male name. Alexander de Blare is a Scottish name dated c.1214 in Black, under the header spelling of Blair on p. 81, which states that "Alexander de Blare witnessed a charter by Randulf de Strethphetham" before 1214. The person mentioned in the entry is not of sufficient prominence or renown to merit protection of the name on grounds of presumption.

Catalina de Silva     (Vakkerfjell)     New Name
The submitter will not accept major or minor changes to her name. Catalina is listed as a Portuguese name dated to 1350-1450 in Portuguese Names 1350-1450 by Juliana de Luna at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/portuguese/. That same article lists a surname of da Silva, but not de Silva. However, the same source indicates that the article de may be used in lieu of da in any surname.

Costança de Silva     (Vakkerfjell)     New Name
The submitter will not accept major or minor changes to her name. Costança is listed as a Portuguese name dated to 1350-1450 in Portuguese Names 1350-1450 by http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/portuguese/. That same article lists a surname of da Silva, but not de Silva. However, the same source indicates that the article de may be used in lieu of da in any surname.

Edmond of Surrey     (Wolfscairn)     New Name and Device
Azure, a chevron inverted between a sword inverted argent and a standing balance Or.
The submitter desires a 15th Century English male name and will not accept any major or minor changes. Edmond is dated to 1510 in a list from Surrey, located at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/men.html. The locative is correctly formed.

Enderlin Jäger     (Mists)     Resubmission of Badge to Kingdom
(Fieldless) A crescent per pale argent and gules.
The submitter's name was included on the West Kingdom LOI of 5/06.

Mærwynn of Croft     (Rivenoak)     Resubmission of Device to Kingdom
Argent, a martlet and a chief azure.
The submitter's name was submitted on the West Kingdom LOI of 7/06. The previous device was returned for the size of the forms, which has been corrected.

Malyn Edwardis     (Canale)     New Name and Device
Quarterly per fess wavy, barry wavy azure and argent, and sable.
The submitter desires an authentic Thirteenth to Fourteenth Century English female name. Malyn is a Feminine given name listed in Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames by Talan Gwynek listing names attested to between 1250 and 1450 at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/index_mid4.html. Edwardis is dated to 1276 in Reaney & Wilson under the header spelling Edward on p. 151-2.

Rhys ap Bleddyn     (Vakkerfjell)     New Name and Device
Sable, a fess invected on the upper edge between two wolves combatant and a wolf passant Or.
The submitter desires an authentic name, but does not specify a time period or culture. It appears that the submitter desires the name to be Welsh. Rhys and Bleddyn are listed in A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Gasvryn on the Laurel web site, which was included in the packet from the submitter. As two given names, the patronymic is correctly constructed. The submitter originally requested Rys ap Bledyn but provided no documentation for these spellings of the given names.

Seamus mac Cuinn     (Golden Rivers)     New Name, see Returns for Device
The submitter desires a male name and will not accept major changes. Seamus and Conn are Sixteenth Century Irish Gaelic male names correctly formed into a patronymic according to Historical Name Generator: Sixteenth Century Irish and Scottish Gaelic Names for Irish Gaelic Man with Patronymic Byname by Sharon L. Krossa as found at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/hng16gaelic/irishmanpat.php?given_id=102&byname_id=135&stage=results.

Vettoria Giovanna Cristina de Monte     (Golden Rivers)     Device Resubmission to Kingdom
Paly of four gules and Or, three roses argent barbed vert and seeded gules and on a trimount sable, a crescent argent.


Aibhilín inghean Eoghain     (Golden Rivers)     Return of Device

Per chevron rayonny argent scaly sable and gules, in base a salamander involved Or on a bed of flames argent, on a sinister canton sable, a pitcher argent on a bed of flames Or.
This device must be returned. It violates the Rule against Presumption to Augmentations of Honor by containing a charged canton. It also violates the Rule of Tincture with the gold salamander enflamed argent. The scaly field treatment lacks sufficient width and definition in the secondary coloring to conform to a standard depiction of scaly and the bed of flames under the pitcher appear orange which cannot be registered. We note to the submitter that a period salamander is drawn with flame coming out in spurts at intervals around the body.

Aibhilín inghean Eoghain     (Golden Rivers)     Return of Badge
Gules, a salamander involved Or on a bed of flames argent.
This badge violates the Rule of Tincture by placing a gold salamander on an argent bed of flames. We note to the submitter that a period salamander is drawn with flame coming out in spurts at intervals around the body.

Céline Dubé     (Fettburg)     Return of Name and Device
Per pall purpure, vert and azure, a triquetra inverted within an orle argent.
The submitter desires an authentic French female name. Céline is in Dauzat as a matronymic on p. 97. Dube is in Dauzat on p. 213 under the header spelling of Dub, without the accent. We cannot document Dubé with the accent. Given that the submitted surname represents a lineage, we are returning this name to the submitter so that she may determine if she wishes to submit the name without the accent, which will change the pronunciation.

This device must also be returned as a per pall division cannot utilize three colors. In any resubmission, the submitter is requested to draw the orle more thickly and to draw the triquetra more thinly.

Gunther Bärenjäger     (Mountains Gate)     Return of Device Change
Purpure, a mallet Or.
The submitter's name was registered 12/02. This conflicts with the badge of Hrodr-Nadar v Hakonsson, (Fieldless) A warhammer Or. We note to the submitter that when he resubmits a device, he needs to include a check.

Juliana of Avon     (Mountain's Gate)     Return of Device Resubmission to Laurel
Lozengy argent and sable, on a bend Or, three crescents azure.
The submitter's name was registered 3/06. Her previous submission of Lozengy argent and sable, on a bend argent, three crescents azure, was returned for visual issues because the color of the bend and one of the colors of the field was the same, leading to fears that the bend would appear to be complex. This revision of the bend to Or addresses that concern. It appears to be free of conflict, but the submitter shrank the armory to paste onto the form and it is now too small for Laurel to accept it. We must therefore return it for redrawing.

Seamus mac Cuinn     (Golden Rivers)     Return of Device
Sable scaly on a pile rayonny argent a fighting cock rampant to sinister, wings in triune aspect vert.
The device must be returned for redrawing. The cock as drawn is not in any standard heraldic position and cannot be blazoned. The secondary color on the scaling must be more pronounced to produce a standard depiction. The rayonny division is incorrectly drawn; all of the rays should be the same depth and should be drawn in parallel orientation.

Uuscfrea of Copemantorp     (Rivenoak)     Return of Device Resubmission to Kingdom
Or, an anchor argent, crossbeam proper, and on a chief vert two mortars with pestle argent.
The submitter's name was sent on the West LOI of 6/06. The original submission violated the Rule of Tincture. This submission has a similar problem, in that an anchor proper as drawn is primarily argent. Our preliminary research indicates that there are no colored anchors with vert charged chiefs, which indicates that this device would be clear of conflict if the anchor were colored.

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