Minutes of the March, 2006 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 12 March 2006, at the home of Danäe FitzRoberts in Sacramento. The meeting started at 11:25 am and ended at 2:25 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Eilis O'Boirne, Banner; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly Pursuivant and Exchequer to the College; Alail Horsefriend, Green Boot; Vigdís vestfirzka, Snowbound Pursuivant; Moira O'Connor, Acting Glora Fjord Pursuivant; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym and Owen ap Morgan, Pursuivants at Large; Emma Fitzwilliam, Hroðgeirr Hroaldsson, Danäe FitzRoberts, Achmed the Wanderer, and Volker Von dem Walde, Guests; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: April 9, May 14, June 11, July 9, September 10, October 8, and November 12. Meetings start at noon.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. Please no walk in submissions for the March meeting as that one is a road show.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.




SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

Do not send submissions to Matins in a manner that requires a signature. If you want to track your submission, use certified mail without return receipt, express or overnight mail, or Federal Express with no signature. Matins is seldom, if ever, able to go to the post office when it is open and is never home when the mail is delivered, so if you require a signature, it will not reach her.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

The LoAR for November 2005 was published in mid February 2006, covering our July 2005 meeting. The LoAR for December 2005 was published in early March, but we had no August 2005 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - November 2005:

Alessandro Cantori. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Christian Robert von Wildhausen. Name and device. Quarterly azure and argent, a demi-lion Or between three Latin crosses flory counterchanged.

This name mixes English and German; this is one step from period practice.

The normal depiction of a demi-lion has the body cut in half with a straight line; the tail is detached from the body. In this emblazon, the body is cut with a slanted line and the tail is still attached to the lion. While not a standard depiction of a demi-lion, the charge is clearly recognizable as a demi-lion and is unlikely to be confused with any other charge. We are therefore giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt and registering this device.

Eva Archer. Name and device. Argent, in pale a lozenge and a bow fesswise inverted sable.

Geirdís Valsdóttir. Device. Gules, a club inverted Or within an orle of bezants.

Please advise the submitter that some internal detailing would make the primary charge appear more club-like.

Leif Utherson. Name and device. Per pale gules and argent, a linden leaf vert.

Michael O'Connor. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Órlaith inghean Néill Mhóir uí Cheallacháin. Name and device. Quarterly Or and argent, a griffin passant contourny azure and in chief three trefoils vert.

Órlaith inghean Néill Mhóir uí Cheallacháin. Badge. Quarterly Or and argent, a trefoil vert, a bordure azure.

Séaghdha Cameron. Device. Per pale rayonny ermine and vert, a boar statant to sinister and a chief sable.

WEST - Returns - November 2005:

Alessandro Cantori. Device. Azure, a lute and on a chief Or three C-clefs azure.

This is returned for redraw of the C-clef. A C-clef has been registered once before (to Melisande de Palma, 08/1994); the submitted C-clef does not match that emblazon (which appears to be close to a modern C-clef). No one present at the Wreath meeting - including the singers in the group used to seeing C-clefs - was able to identify the charges on the chief. On resubmission, the submitter should either use the previously registered form of the C-clef or provide documentation for the type of C-clef submitted. Some pre-1600 C-clefs can be found at http://ieee.uwaterloo.ca/praetzel/mp3-cd/info/raybro/clefs.html and at http://hortulus.net/jan05amoenus/chant.html.

Michael O'Connor. Device. Per pale gules and sable, on a plate a dragon couchant gules.

This is returned for conflict with Pedrog Sylverberd, Per pale gules and sable, on a roundel argent a griffin sable. There is a single CD for changes to the tertiary.

Please advise the submitter that his dragon needs to be drawn larger; this should be remedied before resubmitting this or a similar device.

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 12 March XL (2006)


Eliška z Jihlavy     (Southern Shores)     Badge Resubmission to Kingdom

(Fieldless) A heart gules, winged Or.
The submitter's name was registered 4/01. The previous submission was drawn with incorrect proportions, making the vol the primary charge. This problem has been corrected in this resubmission.

Francesca Carletti     (Winter's Gate)     New Name; See Returns for Device Submission
The submitter desires an authentic, feminine Italian name. Francesca is an Italian Renaissance woman's name listed on the Laurel web site list of Italian names. Carletti is an Italian family Renaissance name from Family Names Appearing in the Castato of 1427 at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/castato/family_names.html.

Georg of Glacier's Edge     (Eskalya)     Badge Resubmission to Kingdom

Argent, a stag's attires gules.
His name was registered 12/87.

John Patten     (Southern Shores)     New Name Change; See Returns for Badge Submission
The submitter's currently registered name is Iason Vorax, registered 12/94. The submitter desires a masculine name and will not accept major changes to his name. He will accept John Pattenmaker or John Pattyn as alternates.

John is listed on the Laurel site as a period first name. (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/men.html.) John is given in Withycombe as a fairly common English name from the 12th - 15th Century, listed on pg 178. Patten is given on p. 34 of Reaney and Wilson as the header spelling. While this spelling is undated, the spelling Patin is dated to 1182 and 1214, and Patynmaker is dated to 1379. Under the next header spelling, Pattenden, the form Patindenne is dated to 1317 and the form Pattenden is dated to 1594. It is therefore our position that Patten is a reasonable period spelling for this name. The submitter wishes to retain his current name if this one is registered.

Julian of Redwood     (Crosston)     New Name and Device

Per pale purpure and sable, a crescent between two needles in pile, on a chief indented argent, four mullets of seven points sable.
The submitter desires a feminine name. Julian is a Scottish feminine name dated to 1288 in A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records by Talan Gwynek on the Laurel Website. Redwood is a header spelling in Reaney on pg 375, which gives Redewood dated to 1527 and Redwood dated to 1642. Also listed is John de Redewod dated to 1242 showing use of this name as a locative.

The submitter originally requested Redforest as a locative, but we are unable to find any documentation that forest was used in combination to create a locative. The submitter has indicated that her intent is to describe where she lives and we have therefore changed the locative to Redwood.

Sarra Peller     (Southern Shores)     New Name Change
The submitter's currently registered name is Oriana of Myrtlewood, registered 5/95. The submitter desires a feminine name and will not accept major changes to her name. Sarra is listed in Withycombe under the header spelling Sara on pgs 264-265 dated to 1189, 1273, and 1303. Peller is from Reaney and Wilson on pg 344 dated to 1263 as William le Peller. According to other listings in Withycombe, on the same page, dropping the le is a common practice. The submitter wishes to keep her current name if this one is registered.

Staffan Arffuidsson     (Teufelburg)     Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Azure, three seraph's heads Or.
Name registered December, 2004.

William MacDougall     (Southern Shores)     Device Resubmission to Laurel

Per pale argent and sable, two chevronels counterchanged and in canton a thistle purpure slipped and leaved vert.
This was an administrative return in May 2004 because the emblazon on the form was too small.


Elisheva Shoshana     (Winter's Gate)     Return of Name and Device Submissions

Sable, two roses in pale and a gore Or.
The submitter desires an authentic, feminine Hebrew name. According to the submitter, Elisheva was the wife of Aaron and was buried in the Tomb of the Matriarchs in Tiberias. (http://www.factbug.org/cgi-bin/a.cgi?a=745462.) However, we are unable to verify the use of this name in period. The submitter states that this is her mundane first name, but did not provide a copy of her driver's license or other documentation. We are also unable to document Shoshana as a name used in period in this spelling. There is also no historical evidence available to us for the use of multiple given names in Hebrew naming practices. Had we been able to document the names, we would have added the matronymic bat to create a name eligible for submission.

The device appears to be free of conflict, but we are unable to send it on without a concurrent name submission.

Francesca Carletti     (Winter's Gate)     Return of Device Submission

Purpure, an estoile and a chief rayonny Or.
While this device appears to be free of conflict, we must return the submission because the line of division is not drawn in a manner acceptable for Laurel. To draw the rayonny properly, it should have approximately 10 rays and the rays should be deeper than those depicted here.

John Patten     (Southern Shores)     Return of Badge Submission

(Fieldless) A chess rook vert.
The submitter's currently registered name is Iason Vorax, registered 12/94.

This badge conflicts with the badge of Sheri Lynn of Emerson Lake: Or, a tower vert.

Julian of Redwood     (Crosston)     Return of Badge Submission

(Fieldless) A crow volant sable maintaining a needle argent.
This conflicts with the badge of Francesca da Bari: (Fieldless) A swallow volant sable. This also conflicts with the device of Urien Pen-an-vre: Per chevron argent and vert, in chief a chough volant proper bearing in its claws a nugget of tin ore proper.

Rand bint Suhail al-Andalusi     (Battle Rock)     Return of Name Submission
The submitter desires a feminine Arabic name and will not accept major changes to her name. While the name is properly formed, we are unable to document the first two elements, Rand and Suhail. The documentation provided does not give dates of usage in period and does not provide us with any information to establish that these names were used as given names prior to 1600. We must therefore return this name submission.

Sighfridh hauknefr     (Cloondara)     Return of Name and Device Submissions

Gyronny arrondi gules and Or, an annulet sable.
The submitter desires a Norse masculine name meaning Victory/Peace and hawknose. Signfridh is stated to come from Fellows-Jensen, G., Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire, (Copenhagen: Akademisk Forlag, 1968), p. 346. Unfortunately, the submitter did not provide copies of this documentation. huknefer is a descriptive byname from Geirr Bassi on p. 22. As we are unable to provide the documentation, this name must be returned to the submitter with a request for copies of the documentation.

This device conflicts with the device of Conrad Breakring: Argent, an annulet fracted on the dexter side sable. We note that the submission drawing is too small and if the submitter desires a gyronny or gyronny arrondi field, such a field division is usually depicted as divided at the corners.

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