Minutes of the January, 2006 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 8 January xl (2006)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 8 January 2006, at the Doubletree Hotel in San Jose. The meeting started at 10:30 am and ended at 2:45 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassonne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Eilis O'Boirne, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric; Edith de Laufare, Seawolf; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer Herald, Teleri Tawel, Artist; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly Pursuivant and Exchequer to the College; Aslin Alsop, Pursuivant for Westermark; Vigdís vestfirzka, Acting Snowbound; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Maxen ap Morgan and Owen ap Morgan, Pursuivants at Large; Moira O' Connor, Acting Glora Fjord; Volker von dem Walde, Guest; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The upcoming meetings are: February 5, March 12, April 9, May 14, June 11, July 9, September 10, October 8, and November 12. Meetings start at noon.

The Spring Herald's Collegium will be held on March 11.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. Please no walk in submissions for the March meeting as that one is a road show.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

PERSONNEL -- POSITION CHANGES:

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE:

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please see: Mailing Lists.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

CYNAGUAN BOOK HERALD TRAINING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

HERALDIC PUBLICATIONS
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR
The LoAR for August 2005 was published in mid-December 2005, covering our April 2005 meeting. The LoAR for September 2005 was published in late December 2005, covering our May 2005 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - August 2005:

Antonio Giordano da Sicilia. Badge. Argent, a cross formy gules, in chief a pearled coronet, a base sable.

The submitter is a court baron and thus entitled to display a coronet.

Bj{o,)rn gullskeggr Eiríksson. Name and device. Azure, on a bend between two bear's pawprints Or, a mallet gules.

Submitted as Bjorn gullskeggr Eiriksson, the submitter requested an authentic Norse name. The documentation showed the given name spelled as Bj{o,}rn; the {o,} represents an o-ogonek. In addition, the documentation shows the patronymic includes an accent on the second vowel. We have changed the name to Bj{o,}rn gullskeggr Eiríksson to fulfill his request for authenticity and to match the documentation.

There is not a blazonable difference between the prints of a bear's forepaws and hind paws, although they do have somewhat different shapes. The fore paws show only the pad; the hind paws look very similar to a human's footprint showing the entire sole. For those that are interested, the difference is shown at http://www.bcadventure.com/adventure/wilderness/animals/grizzly.gif. The use of pawprints is one step from period practice.

Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin. Reblazon of device. Azure, a mullet sable fimbriated between six mullets in annulo Or.

Originally registered 11/1975 and blazoned as Azure, within six estoiles in annulo argent, an estoile sable fimbriated argent, the charges are actually mullets not estoiles.

Catherine de Gray. Badge. Azure, a Catherine's wheel and on a chief wavy argent, three quavers sable.

Eleanor of Ynys Taltraeth. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Per pale argent and vert, a serpent nowed and a chief dovetailed counterchanged.

Submitted under the name Eleanor de Clermont.

Geirdís Valsdóttir. Name.

Isabel de la Hay. Name change from Isabel McThomas.

Her old name, Isabel McThomas, is released.

Liesl Helmschmiedin. Name and device. Argent semy of acorns, on a fess engrailed sable a decrescent argent.

Submitted as Liesl Helmschmied, recent research strongly suggests that, in German names, patronymic, descriptive and occupational bynames for females should use a feminine or possessive form of the byname. Nebuly notes this pattern in names listed in Schwartz, Sudetendeutsche Familiennamen des 15. und 16. Jahrhunderts:
In every instance of a woman's byname in Schwarz, no matter what the original source was, there is a feminine or genitive ending on the byname. So while Schwarz lists (s.n. Heller) a masculine Gregor Heler, he has feminine Margaretha Hellerin. As I say, all of the 90 women recorded in Schwarz have a feminized or genitive byname (with one exception I've found where the byname was the patronymic pet form Kunz-but in other patronymics the byname has a feminine or genitive ending attached to it).

Rede Boke adds further information:

That corroborates with what I've seen; I'd say around 97 percent of all women in the 15th century data (the only period I've studied in -depth) used the feminine or possessive form of the surname, with the exception of locative bynames.

This proponderence of feminine endings in bynames strongly suggests that we should follow suit. Therefore, we have changed the name to Liesl Helmschmiedin to follow this grammatical pattern.

Richard de Westwode. Name.

Submitted as Richard of Westwood, the submitter requested an authentic 14th C English name. Reaney and Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames s.n. Westwood, list a John Westwod' in 1371, while Bardsley, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames s.n. Westwood cites a Willemus de Westwod' in 1379. Given 13th C citations for Westwode in both these works, this is certainly a scribal abbreviation for Westwode. We have changed this name to Richard de Westwode to fulfill his request for authenticity.

Richard of Alder Tree. Badge. (Fieldless) On a cross formy sable, a cross of ermine spots argent.

Rowan ny Tiernan. Name.

Submitted as Rowan NicTiernan, the available evidence we have for the the patronymic particle nic says that it is unique to Scots names. However, the patronymic Tiernan (in Gaelic Tighearnán) is not found in Scotland in period. However, the particles ne, ny and nyn are all found in late period Anglicized Irish names. We have changed the name to Rowan ny_Tiernan in order to register it.

Rowan is an SCA-compatible English name.

Séaghdha Cameron. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Séaghdha cam shrón, the LoI showed that the submitted had submitted Shaegh Cameron and indicated, while he would accept any changes, if the name had to be changed his preference was for the form Séaghdha Cameron. He made no request for authenticity. While a form very similar to the one listed on the LoI, Séaghdha camshróin, is a lovely authentic form, the form actually specified by the submitter, Séaghdha Cameron is registerable. Black Surnames of Scotland s.n. Cameron, cites this header spelling in Gaelic/English in 1532. Therefore, we have changed the name to the form requested by the submitter. As registered, this name mixes Gaelic and English; this is one step from period practice.

Sebastian of Ventbarré. Reblazon of device. Gules, on a bend sinister Or, three wings fesswise, each terminating in a hand maintaining a sword sable.

Originally registered 09/1992 and blazoned as Gules, on a bend sinister Or, three wings palewise, each terminating in a hand brandishing a sword sable, this has been reblazoned to more accurately describe the orientation of the wings.

Thorfinn the Cruel. Name change from holding name Thorfinn of Rivenoak.

Geirr Bassi, The Old Norse Name, p 22 lists the byname greypr as meaning "gripper, fierce, cruel". The submitted name is a reasonable lingua anglica form of the Icelandic Thorfinn greypr

Viola Carrara. Name and device. Per bend argent and sable, a bend counterchanged and in sinister chief a cross of Santiago vert.

Submitted as Viola dei Carrara, the word dei "of the" is not found in locative bynames that are formed from actual placenames. The usual preposition for such names is da. Occasionally, locative bynames are found without a preposition; Arval Benicoeur and Talan Gwynek, "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names" shows the surname Carrara sans preposition. We have changed the name to Viola_Carrara in order to fix the grammar. This name mixes English and Italian, which is one step from period practice.

The summarization for the given name was incomplete; the only information provided was that the name was found in a particular source. The purpose of summarizing documentation is to let the College know why a particular name element is registerable and relevant; this includes citing dates and relevant information about a name element. Unless the source is a list of names found in a particular place and time, the summarization must include more information then just the name and the source name.

Ysabeau of Guildemar. Reblazon of device. Counter-ermine, on a point pointed argent, a hawk's sinister wing elevated with a talon issuant gules.

Originally registered 10/1985 and blazoned as Counter-ermine, on a point pointed argent, a hawk's foot and sinister wing elevated conjoined gules; this follows the exemplar of the Marques of Villena (as discussed in the Cover Letter) and should use the preferred blazon.

WEST - Returns - August 2005:

Eleanor de Clermont. Name.

Conflict with the Eleyne de Clermont, registered November 1982. Both Eleyne and Eleanor are forms of the name Helen, and the names are nearly identical in sound.

Her armory has been registered under the holding name Eleanor of Ynys Taltraeth.

Willeam Grenetrewis. Device. Sable, on a pale vert fimbriated, a skull argent transfixed by a sword inverted proper.

The submitter has fixed the problems of the previous submission; however, the changes to the field bring this into conflict with Edward Senestre, Sable, on a pale vert fimbriated in chief a boar statant to sinister argent. There is a single CD for the changes to the tertiary charges.

WEST - Acceptances - September 2005:

Art mac Ceallaigh. Name.

Diamante di Giuseppe Toscani. Name.

Flidais ní Eitigen. Device change. Per pale azure and vert, a pale endorsed Or.

Her previous device, Argent, three cinquefoils and on a chief purpure a needle Or, is released.

Kiriana Michaelson. Acceptance of badge transfer from Leon von Schrecken. Sable, a standing balance argent within a triangle of three swords proper.

Leon von Schrecken. Badge transfer to Kiriana Michaelson. Sable, a standing balance argent within a triangle of three swords proper.

Leonus de Rotund. Reblazon of device. Azure, in saltire a cartouche voided and a lion salient contourny queue-fourchy, the lion passing through the cartouche, all Or.

Leonus's device is a lion jumping through a hoop that is bendwise; the lion and the hoop are co-primary. Registered 06/1975 with the blazon Azure, a lion salient to sinister queue fourchee piercing an annulet Or, this was reblazoned 12/2000 as Azure, a lion salient contourny queue-fourchy enfiled of an annulet Or. The hoop isn't a "annulet" since it isn't round, and the lion enfiles the hoop rather than the other way around.

Ragnsteinn frá Andréssmýri. Device. Gules, two battle axes in saltire Or, a chief wavy checky azure and Or.

Rulff Sørensøn. Name and device. Gyronny azure and Or, a cross vert.

Submitted as Rulff Sørensen, the submitter requested authenticity for 14th-16th C Scandinavia. In this case, the given name is documented as 16th C Norwegian, while the patronymic is documented as Swedish from the same period. Diplomatarium Norvegicum, http://www.dokpro.uio.no/dipl_norv/diplom_field_eng.html, shows the spelling Sørensøn in a diplomatic visa from 1540. We have, therefore, changed the name to Rulff Sørensøn, a fully 16th C Norwegian form, to comply with the submitter's request for authenticity.

Svana í Sviþjóð. Name and device. Per chevron embattled azure and Or, in base a hummingbird volant bendwise, wings addorsed, gules.

Submitted as Svana í SviÞjóð, the thorn is in uppercase, where it should be in lowercase. We have changed the name to Svana í Sviþjóð; this spelling of the byname is found in Cleasby/Vigfusson "An Icelandic-English Dictionary" which states "i Danmörku, Gautlandi eðr í Svíþjóð, N. G. L. ii. 277; afterwards used as a general name for the later Swedish empire..."

Some question arose whether í Sviþjóð or in s{oe}nska was the correct form for this byname. These are both correct forms; the first is a pure locative form while the second is an ethnic form.

Please advise the submitter that the embattlements should be drawn deeper.

WEST - Returns - September 2005:

John the Hessian. Name.

No documentation was presented and none found to show that the term Hessian is one that was used in period. Although Bahlow/Gentry, German Names s.n. Hess does say "Margrave Rudolf of Baden ''who was called a Hessian'' 1325", this is a translated term. The original German text makes it clear that the name derives from the given name of his father "Hesso". Because Hess is also a region of Germany, an ethnic byname does not seem unlikely. However, the term Hessian does not appear in English until the late 17th C, well after our gray area. We would change the name to John von Hesse, but this is an aural conflict with Jan van Hees registered April 1998.

In Service,

Kiriana
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 8 January xl (2006)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Acelin de Alsop     (Westermark)     Holding Name Registered 7/05; Change of Holding Name
The submitter is changing from her holding name of Beth of Westermark. The submitter desires an English name and is not concerned about gender. Acelin is a Thirteenth Century English male given name dated to 1273 at http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/aislinn.shtml. Alsop-en-le-Dale is listed as a header spelling in Ekwall, p.7 - the DB spelling is Elleshop and Aleshop is cited to 1241. Reaney & Wilson at Allsep gives Alsope in 1279. de Alsop is a byname dated to 1287 in the records of the Derbyshire Estate at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxsl.asp?com=1&i=0&nbKey=1&stylesheet=xsl\A2A_com.xsl&keyword=de%20Alsop&properties=0601.

Christian de Holacombe     (Champclair)     Name Registered 5/96; New Badge

(Fieldless) A paternoster gules, its cross Or.
We believe that this is the defining instance of a paternoster. The submitter has provided documentation that shows a paternoster in the emblazoned depiction as the standard woodcut depiction in period art. She has also documented the use of religious objects as heraldic charges in period. Her documentation may be reviewed in its entirety at http://claning.home.igc.org/articles/Paternoster_heraldry.pdf. If this cannot be registered as a paternoster, then we request that Laurel reblazon it as a beaded necklace gules with a cross dependent Or and register it in that fashion. The submitter has a strong preference for the above blazon.

Dubheasa inghean Flann     (Golden Rivers)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Or, three triskelions and a bordure vert.
Her previous submission of Dubheasa ingehean Bran was returned for conflict with Dub Essa ingen uí Briainn registered October 1998.

The submitter desires a feminine name and is interested in an authentic Tenth to Fourteenth Century Irish name. The submitter will accept any form of Dubheasa. Dubh Essa is found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/all.html. Dubhdeasa and Dudeasa are found at http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/urush-names-naming.htm. Flann is found in Irish Names by O'Corrain and Maguire on p. 105. The patronymic appears to be properly formed.

Euphemia Cotter     (Caer Darth)     New Name
The submitter desires a feminine name. Euphemia is found in Withycombe on page 111 dated to 1379. Cotter is dated to 1625 as a header spelling in Reaney on p. 112. The submitter will accept Cottes or Cotte as alternates.

Fujiwara Kanesada     (Vale de Draco)     New Name and Device

Per bend gules and sable, two bezants.
The submitter desires a Japanese, masculine name and is following the Asian naming practice of giving the surname before the given name. Fujiwara is a Japanese surname dated to 784 on page 315 of Name Construction in Medieval Japan by Solveig Throndardottir. The surname continued as the name of a Japanese clan that continues to modern times. Kanesada is a Japanese given name dated to around 1500 as the given name of a swordsmith representative of the Mino tradition of sword making which dates to that time frame. According to one historian, Mino Kanesada died in 1536 after several decades of swordmaking. (http://www.nihonto.ca/nosada)

Godric von Appenzell     (Prov. Mists)     New Name Change (see returns for Device)
The submitter's currently registered name is Aethelgar Gabelbert, registered 09/92. The submitter desires an authentic alpine German masculine name dating from the Fourteenth or Fifteenth Century. Godric is found in Morlet, vol. 1, on p. 113 under the heading of Gotricus. Appenzell is a place name dated to 1505 under the header spelling Appenzeller in Brechenmacher on p. 37 as Seb. Appenzeller. There is also a 1342 Latinized citation. The byname is correctly formed.

Volker von dem Walde     (Windy Meads)     New Name and Device

Per pale sable and gules, two dragons segreant Or.
The submitter desires an authentic Germanic masculine name and would like it to mean of/from the woods. The original submission was Volker Von dem Holz, but holz means wood in the sense of building material, not forest, and is not usually pluralized. Walde is the authentic form meaning woods in the sense of forest. The submitted name was an acceptable alternate to the submitter, who was present at the meeting.

Volker is listed as a header spelling in Bahlow on p 583. Bahlow states that the name "Volker the Fiddler" is contained in the 12th Century epic Nibelungenlied. Bahlow (p.589) at Walde gives vorm Walde dated to 1474. Brechenmacher gives the same name as von dem Walde dated to 1450 on p. 735 under Wald.

ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Abd al-Rahman de Javier     (Oertha)     Return of Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Vert, a sheaf of arrows surmounted by a yoke argent.
The yoke as drawn is not identifiable as a yoke, as the lower chest strap is missing. The submitter will be asked to redraw this device and to then submit it to the Artemesian College of Heralds as he is now resident in that Kingdom.

Ardrude Pen Waer     (Selveirgard)     Return of Name and Device

Argent, an Onagadori cock proper and in sinister chief, on a hurt, four annulets doubly interlaced one, two and one, within an annulet Or.
The submitter desires an authentic masculine, English name. We were unable to document this name from our sources. While we appreciate the documentation of the name, it is not sufficient for processing. There were no URLs or books listed to which we can cite for submittable documentation.

The documentation for the Onagadori cock indicates that it was introduced as a new breed in Japan in 1603. In addition to being out of our period, neither this bird nor its feathers were known in Europe in our period. It therefore cannot be used as a specific breed in for SCA heraldry.

In addition, the position of the tail cannot be blazoned as there is no blazon that will allow reproduction of the picture from the written description. Finally, in its natural coloring, this cock is primarily yellow and it cannot therefore be placed on a white field without violating the Rule of Tincture.

Elaine Fairchild     (Prov. Mists)     Return of Name and Device

Argent, a lion rampant bendwise bendy sinister Or and vert, maintaining a sword argent, a bordure vert.
The submitter desires an English, feminine name. Elaine is found in Malory's Morte d'Arthur according to Withycombe on page 96. Fairchild is dated to 1250 in Reaney, p. 160. Unfortunately, this name conflicts with Eleanor Fairchild, registered in Ansteorra 12/01.

We are returning the device submission for redrawing and recoloring. The submitter has indicated that the lion should be rampant, but the body is drawn at a bendwise angle instead of fully upright. The submitter has indicated that the lion should be barry, but none of the lines of division are at the same angle and none of them are horizontal, nor do they extend into the tail. In three of the four colored copies, the lion is part beige instead of yellow. The tongue and sword are apparently supposed to be argent, which renders the tongue practically invisible and which violates the Rule of Tincture with respect to the sword. Finally, as drawn, the lion has basically five small vert stripes and a vert paw, which does not comprise half of the area of the lion. Since more than half of the lion is Or, it also may be considered to violate the Rule of Tincture.

The device must be redrawn to conform to a standard heraldic position. The sword color must be changed and the lion, if it is to be barry, must be drawn with horizontal lines and with no less than half of the lion in vert.

Fujiwara Sara     (Vale de Draco)     Return of Name and Device

Azure, on a gunstone, two goutte d'eau in annulo.
The submitter desires an authentic Japanese, feminine name and is following the Asian naming practice of giving the surname before the given name. Fujiwara is a Japanese surname dated to 784 on page 315 of Name Construction in Medieval Japan by Solveig Throndardottir. The submittor states that Sara was the Japanese given name of a Japanese empress dated to 680 in the form Unono-Sarara-Himemiko (http://p-www.iwate-pu.ac.jp/~acro-ito/Japan_pics/Japan_NNK/imageidx.html), and that the additional -ra is an honorific which the submitter has removed to avoid presumption. However, the documentation shows that the princess' name was from the Fujiwara Clan during a period in which the Fujiwara Clan was in power, and this name therefore violates the Rule of Presumption in that the name implies that the submitter is this princess.

The submitter is also to be informed that if she is attempting to show a spousal relationship with Fujiwara Kanesada, Japanese naming practices would not do this with a matching surname in the form of a clan name. The matching clan name would indicate a different relationship in most instances. Since the Fujiwara clan was very large, it was possible that two persons from that clan would be able to marry, but the same clan name would more commonly indicate a cousin or other blood relationship.

Women in Twelfth and Thirteenth Century Japan were most often identified simply as members of their father's or brothers' clan. While women did have given names, they were more often referred to in adulthood either as "woman of X clan" or "Wife of (Husband's name)". (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2587) This makes research into period given names for Japanese women very difficult.

As drawn and emblazoned by the submitter, the device violates the Rule of Tincture in that the sable roundel may not be placed on the azure field. If blazoned as a black symbol on a plate, it would conflict with the device of Rhithyn yr Gwlad yr Hav, Azure, a plate charged with a cauldron and a domestic cat in its curiosity sable.

Godric von Appenzell     Prov. Mists)     Return of Device

Per chevron azure and vert, a chevron between three chalices argent, issuant from each a demi-sun Or.
The device conflicts with Rhiannon of Lostwithel, Per chevron azure and vert, a chevron between two crescents and a cross of ermine spots argent.

Jacob vom Wald      (Silver Desert)     Return of Badge Resubmission to Kingdom

(Fieldless) A wolf's pawprint sable.
This device conflicts with Antonietta Zampa del Gatto, (Fieldless) A cat's pawprint sable.

Vale de Draco, Stronghold of      (Vale de Draco)     Name Registered 6/98; Return of Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Azure, two laurel wreaths Or and on a point pointed gules, a dragon statant erect Or.
The submission is accompanied by a properly signed petition, but the petition is for a device blazoned Per chevron azure and gules, nombril a dragon rampant Or, and in chief two laurel wreaths Or. If the drawing matched the blazon on the petition, we would blazon it as Per chevron azure and gules, two laurel wreaths and a dragon rampant Or.

Unfortunately, the line of division is too low and the gules area too small to represent a division per chevron. As properly blazoned above, the device violates the Rule of Tincture by placing a gules point on an azure field. In addition, the dragon has both feet in a flat line, producing a dragon that is statant erect and not rampant.

It is suggested, when submitting the petition, the petition should show a picture of the device rather than a blazon so that if the College finds it necessary to change the blazon, the petition will still be usable. The device also needs to be depicted on a form of the proper size or it will be returned by Laurel for administrative problems.

To assist this branch, which is far away, we have prepared a proper drawing for the submitted blazon and will send it to the submitter with their notification of the results of this meeting.


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