Minutes of the September, 2005 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 11 September xl (2005)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 11 September 2005, at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:10 pm and ended at 3:15 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Eilis O'Boirne, Banner; Johanna Ludwiger von Hertesberg, Greencloak; Wilhelm von Homburg, Seawolf and Edith de Laufare, deputy to Seawolf; Teleri Tawel, Artist & Exchequer to the College; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly Pursuivant; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Saint Katherine; Vigdís vestfirzka, Acting Snowbound; Maxen ap Morgan, Pursuivant at Large; Emma FitzWilliam, PE at Large; Flidais mi Eitigen, Guest, and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: October 16, November 20, January 8, February 5, March 12, April 9, May 14, June 11, and July 9. There will be no meetings in December.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

The Fall Collegium will be on November 19 at the Mechanic's Bank Training Center in Hercules. Anyone who has suggestions for classes should contact Wilhelm von Homburg. Current plans include mock consultation practice and a discussion of consultation by e-mail.

There will be Field Herald practice the first Tuesday of each month at Southern Shores fighter practice, currently held at Mission College.



SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. The previous heralds list has been eliminated from the server it was on, so everyone will have to rejoin the list. To join the list, please see: Mailing Lists.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

The LoAR for May 2005 was published in mid-August 2005, covering our January 2005 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - May 2005:

Donovan Synklar. Name and device. Argent, a bat and on a chief sable three sets of three annulets one and two interlaced argent.
The commenters questioned whether the anglicization Donovan was registerable; it was documented from Ó Corrain and Maguire, Irish Names, where anglicized forms are nearly always modern. However, John O'Donovan , Annals of Ireland, by the Four Masters, vol. 6, p. 2446, contains a transcription of the will of "Mr. Daniell O'Donovane", dated August 14, 1629. This is sufficient to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that Donovan is consistent with period anglicizations of this name.

Gavin MacRobert. Device. Or, on a chief triangular gules a hawk argent.

Jaida al-Badawiya. Name change from holding name Jaida of Golden Rivers.

Submitted as Jaida al-Badawiyah, this name combines two transcription systems; when registering names not originally written in the Roman alphabet, we require a single transcription system to be used throughout. Al-Jamal notes "The name should be either Jaida al-Badawiya or Jaidah al-Badawiyah." We have changed the name to Jaida al-Badawiya in order to register it.

Oertha, Principality of. Badge. (Fieldless) A compass star elongated to base quarterly azure and argent.

They have a letter of permission to conflict from Eric Blaxton, Quarterly argent, scaly sable, and azure, a mullet of four points counterchanged azure and argent.

Seraphina Raleigh. Name.

Tomas Egilsson. Name and device. Counterermine, a chief potenty argent.

Submitted as Tuomas Egilsson, no documentation was provided showing that Tuomas is a period Finnish spelling for this name. This is a header form in the cited source. This source says that headers are normalized or modernized, and does not indicate which headers are which. This source does give the spelling Tomas dated to 1507. We have changed the given name to that spelling in order to register it.

The submitter requested a Finnish given name and an old Norse byname. Unfortunately, no documentation was submitted and none provided by the commenters suggesting that the Finnish Tomas is temporally consistent with and Old Norse byname. However, the SMP, s.n. Egill, lists a placename Egilsetrum in 1291; Egilsson would, therefore, be a reasonable Swedish spelling as well. Sweden ruled Finland through most of the later Middle Ages, and there is ample evidence of Finnish/Swedish combinations.

WEST - Returns - May 2005 -- NONE!

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 11 September xl (2005)


Branwyn FitzRoberts     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Vert, a horse couchant, on a bordure Or, eight roses azure.
The submitter's legal first name is Branwyn and a copy of her birth certificate is enclosed. The submitter is the daughter of Danaë FitzRoberts, whose mundane name is listed as mother on the birth certificate, and she desires to use her mother's registered SCA surname. This name combines Welsh and English, which is an acceptable combination. The submitter will not accept major changes to her name.

We note that the position of the head is slightly turned, but since the head is primarily in profile and recognizable as a horse's head, we considered this to be a version of the default position.

Chabi Ünegen     (Vale de Draco)     New Name
The submitter will not accept major changes to her name and desires a feminine name. The sound is the most important element for the submitter. Chabi is a female given name dated to the Thirteenth Century from Mongol Women's Names by Jessica Bonner, listed as the second wife of Kublai Khan. Ünegen is a name element meaning "fox" from On the Documentation and Construction of Period Mongolian Names by Baras-aghur Naren. The name is properly constructed according the naming system set forth in the latter article.

We note that the source documentation does not have an umlaut, but one was added to the name by the consulting Herald at Pennsic, so we are sending this submission on with the umlaut because we do not have the resources available to determine why it was inserted. As the submitter will accept minor changes, we will request that the umlaut be removed if necessary to allow the registration.

Freidrich Sybold     (Golden Rivers)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per saltire vert and sable, a compass star within an annulet argent.
The submitter's previous name and device submissions were returned for lack of a check in April 2005.

Freidrich is on p.147 of Bahlow and on p. 506 in Brechenmacher. The original submission requested Siebold, but our research showed this to be a modern spelling, while Seibold would be the period spelling. However, to preserve the pronunciation of the last name that was submitted, we have changed it to Sybold instead, which is in Brechenmacher under the heading Sieboldshausen, with a citation dated to 1403 for Kurt Syboldeshusen zu Witzenhausen. From this entry, we believe that the submitted spelling is justified.

The submitter desires a masculine name.

The previous submission of Per bend sinister rayonny sable and vert, in dexter chief a compass star argent was too similar to the registered device of Andrew Greencloak Hethilsson: Per chevron argent and vert, in base a mullet of four points argent. This new submission is a complete redesign.

We note that the badge of Rorik Sverðmaðr, Per fess sable and azure, a compass star within a sea serpent involved, head to base argent. Assuming that the sea serpent is properly drawn it would resemble an annulet wavy and the submission would not conflict, however we are unable to check the drawing of the badge and therefore request that Laurel and Pelican do so.

Stephan Tot     (Vale de Draco)     New Name
The submitter will not accept major changes to his name. The submitter desires a masculine name and the sound of the name is most important to him. Stephan is a male given name dated to 1387 in Medieval German Given Names from Silesia by Talan Gwynek. Tot is a byname meaning "dead" from Some Early Middle High German Bynames with Emphasis on Names from the Bavarian Dialect Area by Talan Gwynek.

The submission included a circumflex over the "o" based on documentation provided by the consulting herald at Pennsic, however the documentation shows that the actual spelling in High German lacked the circumflex. We have therefore changed the name to conform to the documentation.

Valentina de la Bere     (Selveirgard)     New Name and Device

Vert, a bear passant and on a point pointed argent, a heart gules.
Valentina is dated to 1357 in Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France by Talan Gwynek (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/latefrenchfem). de la Bere is the submitter's husband's registered byname as noted in the letter mentioned below. The submitter will not accept major changes.

The device conflicts with that of her husband, Stephen de la Bere, Vert, a bear passant and on a point pointed argent, two roundels in fess azure. A letter of permission to conflict is enclosed. It contains a slight typographical error regarding the blazon of his device, but the intent is clear and we have therefore accepted his letter.

Vyncent atte Wodegate     (Crosston)     Name Registered 8/02 in Meridies; New Device

Vert, on a pile issuant from sinister base, between two compass stars argent, a compass star sable.


Morghan Stewart     (Bryniad)     New Name and Device Returned

Or, a cat sejant erect guardant sable maintaining a thistle proper, on a chief sable, three lavender stems Or flowered purpure.
The submitter will not accept major or minor changes to her name. The submitter cites several web sites, but none of these references support this spelling of Morghan. Stewart is cited from Black, p. 747, but is not dated. We recommend to the submitter that she consider the information contained in the web site, http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/morgan.shtml. Since the submitter does not allow changes, we cannot change the spelling of this name to a form that can be sent to Laurel.

The submitter requested a feminine name, but <Morgan> was only a masculine given name in period. <Morghan> is not a plausible period spelling in Gaelic, Scots (a language closely related to English), or, as far as we can determine at this time, in Welsh. Specifically in Gaelic and Scots, <g> and <gh> are not freely interchangeable in this particular context.

Period Scots language spellings of the given name (to match the late period Scots surname <Stewart>) include Morgund Mathowson, 1527 [Black, s.n. MORGUND]

As a byname, period Scots language spellings include:

These byname spellings are relatively reasonable to use for a given name spelling.

<Stewart>, in that spelling, can be found as a Lowland Scots surname dated to 1528 in Sharon L. Krossa's "Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names", <http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/> specifically at <http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/surnamesinstances.shtml>. Our thanks to Effric for this name research.

The submitter provided only one filled out form for her device submission and the form was not printed in full size, which would have created an administrative return. However, this device must be returned anyway because it conflicts with the device of Brighid Ellen Seward, Or mullety, a catamount salient and on a chief sable three thistles Or. The drawing of the flowers on the chief is unrecognizable and, in proper blazon, violates the Rule of Tincture, being a colored flower on a colored chief. The chief should also be larger, which would allow for proper proportions and for more detail in any tertiary charges.

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