Minutes of the October, 2005 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 16 October 2005, at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:25 pm and ended at 3:10 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Eilis O'Boirne, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric; Edith de Laufare, Seawolf; Teleri Tawel, Artist; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly Pursuivant and Exchequer to the College; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Saint Katherine; Vigdís vestfirzka, Acting Snowbound; Maxen ap Morgan and Owen ap Morgan, Pursuivant at Large; Emma FitzWilliam, PE at Large; Flidais mi Eitigen, Guest, and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: November 20, January 8, February 5, March 12, April 9, May 14, June 11, and July 9. There will be no meeting in December.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. Please no walk in submissions for the March meeting as that one is a road show.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

The Fall Collegium will be on November 19 at the Mechanic's Bank Training Center in Hercules. Anyone who has suggestions for classes should contact Wilhelm von Homburg. There will be an intermediate blazon class, a class on name submissions and documentation, a mock consultation practice, voice practice and a roundtable discussion on consultation by e-mail. There will be a potluck, with lasagna and a meat dish to be provided. Please bring salads if your mundane last name starts with A-L. M-Z, please bring other dishes and desserts to contribute. Please bring your own drinks or change for the soda machine.

There will be Field Herald practice the first Tuesday of each month at Southern Shores fighter practice, currently held at Mission College.

There has been a problem with respect to the granting and reaffirming of awards. It is the responsibility of every court herald to assure that the royalty granting awards has the right to grant or reaffirm the award in question. To reaffirm an award requires the royalty who is reaffirming the award to be empowered to grant it. At a recent event at which the King and Queen were not present, a Pied d'Argent was bestowed. The award is therefore unofficial. While the Crown can grant the award at a later date, the date of the grant will be that later event. Please note that the Crown cannot reaffirm purely Principality Awards and the Coronets cannot reaffirm awards granted by the Crown. If you have any specific questions, please contact Vesper or Banner.



SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. The previous heralds list has been eliminated from the server it was on, so everyone will have to rejoin the list. To join the list, please see: Mailing Lists.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

The LoAR for June 2005 was published in September 2005, covering our February 2005 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - June 2005:

Aelia Apollonia. Name change from Aileth Gardiner.

Her old name, Aileth Gardner, is released.

Ambrose Norwich. Name.

Ástríđr in spaka. Name and device. Argent, three triquetras vert.

This is clear of Kiara Loftus, Argent, three trefoils slipped a bordure vert and of Ailis ingen uí Donnubáin, Argent, three trefoils vert and a chief embattled gules. In both cases there is a CD for removing the peripheral ordinary and a second CD for the difference between a trefoil and a triquetra.

Cassandra Rossignol. Name.

Catelin of Coventry. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Originally submitted as Caitlin of Coventry, the name was changed at kingdom to Catelin of Coventry because the given name Caitlin is unregisterable. The submitter accepted only minor changes. Technically, this is a major change, Caitlin is generally a modern Gaelic form of the name in question, while Catelin is a period English form. However, the submitter's forms note that she believed Caitlin to be an English form of the name. I believe that, in this case, the perception of the submitter must be considered as to whether the change is minor or major. As the documentation presented showed the submitted name (although wrongly) as English, changing to an English form was not a major change in this case. However, submissions heralds should be very careful when changing names for submitters who request minor changes only. If the submitter is interested a period Gaelic form of this name, we suggest Caitilín.

Grímr Eiríksson. Device change. Sable, a valknut inverted within a bordure Or.

His previous device, Sable on a pale cotised Or three anchors sable, is released.

Lourdes d'Arlčs. Name and device. Vert, on a bend cotised Or, three roses proper.

Submitted as Lourdez d'Arlčs, the documentation for these names was inadequately summarized on the LoI. The LoI listed only the form, page number, and work. Proper summarization of documentation requires information about what the source has to say about a name. In addition, translations must be provided for relevant citations from non-English works, such as Dauzet, Dictionnaire étymologique des Noms de Famille et Prénoms de France, the work used in this case. A bad babblefish translation makes it clear that the name Lourdez is a descriptive byname, not a given name. Dauzet, s.n. Lourd says "<<lourd>> c.-ŕ -d. <<lourdaud>> voire <<imbécile>> Dimin: Lourdel, -delet, Lourdet (-dex, Nord et Nord-Est)" which babblefish translates to "c.-ŕ-d. <<lourdaud>> indeed <<imbécile>> Dimin: Lourdel, -delet, Lourdet (-dex, North and Northeastern)." Failure to summarize documentation is grounds for return. However, in this case the College provided the missing information. We have changed the name to Lourdes d'Arlčs in order to register it; Lourdes is the submitter's legal given name.

This is clear of Bromwynne an Harlick, Vert, on a bend cotised Or, three tulips palewise gules, slipped and leaved vert, a bordure Or. There is one CD for removing the bordure. While roses are significantly different from tulips, a second significant change is needed for a CD by RfS X.4.j(i). As heraldic roses are essentially round charges they cannot be palewise, therefore there is no difference for the orientation of the flowers. However, precedent states "Tulips are like thistles, the slipping and leaving of a tulip makes up more than half the charge; therefore, it is the tincture of the slips and leaves rather than the tincture of the flower that is used when checking conflict. [Catharina de Bruyn, 09/00, R-Middle]". This means that changing the tincture of the flowers from mostly vert to mostly gules is a significant change. The change in type and tincture of the flowers provides the necessary second CD.

Robert of Ravenshill. Device. Per saltire argent and checky vert and argent, in chief a raven rising wings addorsed sable.

Robert of Ravenshill. Badge. (Fieldless) A ferret statant erect vert.

Sophia Kress. Name and device. Per saltire azure and argent, in pale two seeblätter Or.

Sorcha Fhionn inghean uí Ruairc and Josephus Piscator. Joint badge. Azure, a bend sinister between two pawprints Or, a bordure argent.

Thrystan of Wickleigh. Reblazon of device. Per chevron azure and argent, a hurst of weeping willow trees azure.

Originally blazoned as Per chevron azure and argent, a hurst of willow trees azure, the emblazon shows weeping willows.

Thurlef of Sogn. Reblazon of device. Argent, a weeping willow tree vert and on a chief wavy azure three swans naiant argent.

Originally blazoned as Argent, a willow tree vert and on a chief wavy azure three swans naiant argent, the emblazon shows a weeping willow.

WEST - Returns - June 2005:

Catelin of Coventry. Device. Per bend indented Or and azure, a decrescent and a garb counterchanged.

This conflicts with Brian Gam, Per bend sinister Or and azure, a decrescent and a garb counterchanged. There is a CD for changes to the field.

Catelin's arms may be blazoned Per bend indented Or and azure, in sinister chief a decrescent azure and in dexter base a garb Or. Brian's arms may be blazoned Per bend sinister Or and azure, in dexter chief decrescent azure and in sinister base garb Or.

The charges may not lie on a portion of the field with which they have no contrast. Catelin's charges could not be arranged like Brian's because each charge would have no contrast with half of the field on which it lies. The charges must change their arrangement. Because this change in arrangement is "caused by other changes to the design" - the changes to the field - it is not worth difference per RfS X.4.g for arrangement changes.

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 16 October xl (2005)


Colleen of Bannockburn     (Wolfscairn)     New Name and Device

Per bend sinister wavy azure and argent, a unicorn rampant to sinister argent, armed, crined and tailed Or and a heart gules.
The submitter's legal middle given name is Colleen and a copy of her driver's license is included. Bannockburn is a Scottish place name dated to 1314 at http://www.scotlandonline.com/heritage. The submitter likes Scottish or Gaelic names dated to the 1300s and the language and culture are most important to her.

Eyvindr Gunnarsson     (Esfenn)     New Name and Device

Per pale sable and gules, a mullet of seven points within seven roundels in annulo all within an orle Or.
The submitter desires a masculine name. Eyvindr is found in Bassi on page 9. Gunnarr is found in Bassi on page 10 and the patronymic is correctly formed according to the rules set forth on page 17.

Mari Alexander     (Canale)     Name Registered 6/03; Badge Resubmission to Laurel

Sable, four lozenges in cross Or.
This badge was returned by Laurel on the October 2004 for conflict with Heinrich von Stuttgart: Per bend azure and checky Or and azure, a cross of four lozenges Or. The submitter has provided a letter of permission to conflict with this registration from Heinrich.

Sarra Greyhand     (Allyshia)     New Name and Device

Azure, a dragon couchant to sinister argent maintaining an open book Or, a bordure argent, mulletty of six points azure.
The submitter desires a female name and the sound is most important to her. Sarra is a female given name dated from 1189-1215 and separately listed from 1316 in Withycombe under the header spelling Sara(h) on pages 263-264. Greyhand seems a reasonable construction given the examples in Reaney on page 203 of Grayfot,dated to 1243, Greyleg dated to 1327, Greyschanke dated to 1279, Godhand dated to c. 1095, and Goudenhand dated to 1332.

Solveig sauđamađr     (Mountain's Gate)     New Name and Device

Or, three Icelandic sheep statant sable.
The submitter will not accept major changes to her name. The meaning for the byname of "sheperdess" is the most important to the submitter and she desires a female name. Solveig is from Bassi on page 14. sauđamađr is also found in Bassi, on page 26.

We have included a picture of an Icelandic sheep. The web site http://www.isbona.com//, states that Icelandic sheep have existed for 1100 years and therefore a proper variant of a sheep for use in this device. The type of sheep is particularly important to assure the proper shape and size for the head and horns.

Umm Jibril Munisa bint al-Nadr     (Fettburg)     New Name and Device

Per fess gules and azure, a dance and in base three roundels Or.
The submitter desires a female name. The submitter selected most of her name elements from Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices by Da'ud ibn Auda, excepting her originally proposed ism, Musiyya. It appears that the submitter was considering the method given for forming feminine names from masculine isms ending with i, but the root ism here, Musa, does not fall in this category and the rule is therefore inapplicable. We have changed the ism to Munisa, which was the submitter's accepted alternate. Umm Jibril is a kunya meaning "mother of Jibril." Jibril is listed as a masculine given name making formation of the kunya correct. The kunya should come before the ism as it does here. Munisa is listed in the article as a feminine ism. bint al-Nadr is a nasab meaning "daughter of al-Nadr." al-Nadr is listed as a cognomen used as an ism. The nasab generally follows the ism in usage and the name therefore appears constructed correctly.

We note the device of Konstanza von Brunnenburg, Per fess gules and azure, a dance fleury Or, but find this submission clear of conflict. The fleur-de-lys on the line of division are sufficiently visually significant for us to grant a CD for the change of the line of division in addition to the CD for the addition of the roundels.

Wilhelm von der Grün     (Crosston)     New Name; see Returns for Device submission
The submitter desires a masculine name. Wilhelm is found on page 812 of Brechenmacher dated to 1267. von der Grün is on page 601 of Brechenmacher, dated to 1583 under the heading Grün.


Eliška z Jihlavy     (Southern Shores )     Name Registered 4/01; Return of Badge Submission

(Fieldless) A vol Or maintaining a heart gules.
The submitter states that the blazon for the submission should be (Fieldless) A heart gules winged Or, but the proportions of heart to wings in the emblazon shows the wings to be the primary charge. The heart must be blazoned as maintained rather than overall because the heart does not cover enough of the wings to be considered an overall charge. In its proper blazon, the badge conflicts with the device of Brioc Morcannuc, Azure, a vol Or. However, if drawn to match the proposed blazon, with the heart at least as large or larger than the wings and more towards the center of the badge area,, the badge appears free of conflict.

Fabian Arnett von Schwetzingen     (Southern Shores)     Name Registered 8/91; Return of Badge Submission

(Fieldless) A cross formy fitched in foot sable.
This badge conflicts with the device of Dorothea of Caer Myddin, Argent a cross patty sable. There is one CD for the change from a field to fieldless, but nothing for the addition of the foot to the same cross, patty being a name sometimes used for formy. This also conflicts with the badge of the Teutonic Order, (Fieldless) A Latin cross formy sable, fimbriated argent. Again, there is a CD between two fieldless badges, but no difference between the Latinization of the registered cross and the foot of the submitter's cross and nothing for the fimbriation.

Wilhelm von der Grün     (Crosston)     Return of Device Submission

Lozengy vert and Or, on a ball of flame gules, a pawprint argent.
This conflicts with the device of Reginleif the Unruly, Sable, on a flame gules fimbriated Or, a rough-legged draft horse forcinne argent. This also conflicts with the device of Grimn the Hele-Bourne, Sable, upon a flame gules fimbriated Or, a skull argent. In each case there is one CD for the changes to the field, but no difference given for the fimbriation and none for a change of type only to the tertiary charge.

In addition, the drawing of the device was not on the forms submitted, but instead were drawn on separate pieces of paper which appear to be a blow up of the device area on the device submission form. While it is very important that the emblazon be large enough, the drawing does need to be on the actual submission form. We will ask the submitter to be sure to place the drawing on the form when he resubmits his device.

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