Minutes of the November, 2005 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 20 November xl (2005)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 20 November 2005, at the home of Eilis O'Boirne in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:17 pm and ended at 3:30 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Eilis O'Boirne, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Baldric; Edith de Laufare, Seawolf; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer Herald, Teleri Tawel, Artist; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly Pursuivant and Exchequer to the College; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Saint Katherine; Aslin Alsop, Pursuivant for Westermark Vigdís vestfirzka, Acting Snowbound; Moira O'Connor, Acting Gloria Fjord, Maxen ap Morgan and Owen ap Morgan, Pursuivant at Large; Emma FitzWilliam, PE at Large; Hrothgeirr Hroldrsson and Elinora O'Connor, Guests, and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: January 8, February 5, March 12, April 9, May 14, June 11, and July 9. Meetings start at noon except for January 8, which will start at 10:00 am. There will be no meeting in December.

The Spring Herald's Collegium will be held on March 11.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.




SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. The previous heralds list has been eliminated from the server it was on, so everyone will have to rejoin the list. To join the list, please see: Mailing Lists.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

The LoAR for July 2005 was published in November 2005, covering our March 2005 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - July 2005:

Alienor Fitzhenry. Device. Vert, two bendlets sinister wavy and in base three dogwood flowers in bend sinister argent.

Beth of Westermark. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent, a cross of four lozenges gules within a bordure indented sable.

Submitted under the name Aislinn Alsop.

Elisa bat Avraham. Name and device. Argent, a dog's pawprint sable within a bordure indented purpure.

Elizabeth Anne de Gresse. Name and device. Or, a chevron purpure ermined argent between two compass stars elongated to base vert and a thistle proper.

Submitted as Elizabeth Anne deGresse, the documentation for the locative byname showed the preposition separated from the placename by a space. We have changed the name to Elizabeth Anne de_Gresse to match the documentation.

Jacob vom Wald. Name.

Submitted as Jacob von Wald, the preposition von (from) is only used with actual placenames, not with topographic names like wald (wood). In the case of bynames that describe a geographic or topographic feature, the appropriate preposition is vom (from the). We have made this change to correct the grammar.

Luther von Staufen. Name (see RETURNS for device).

This name does not conflict with Lütolf von Staufen, registered November 1999. The two given names have different initial vowel sounds, and the final syllable is significantly different in sound and appearance.

Marcos da Bragança. Name and device. Or, a gurges gules, overall two arrows in pale fesswise reversed azure.

Blazoned on the LoI as Gurges gules and Or, two arrows in pale fesswise reversed azure, a gurges is a charge, not a field division.

This could equally well be blazoned Gules, a gurges Or, overall two arrows in pale fesswise reversed azure or Or, a gurges gules, overall two arrows in pale fesswise reversed azure. Since by SCA rules an overall charge must have good contrast with field, in this case the field must be Or. A discussion on gurges, and how to blazon them, is included in the Cover Letter.

Vera Veshniakova. Name.

WEST - Returns - July 2005:

Aislinn Alsop. Name.

This name is two steps from period practice. First, it uses an SCA-compatible name (in this case, the Gaelic Aislinn). Second, it combines Gaelic and English. We would change the given name to Ascelina, a similar sounding English name which Reaney and Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames s.n. Aslin, date to the 13th C. However, changing the language of a name element is a major change, which the submitter will not allow.

Her armory has been registered under the holding name Beth of Westermark.

Luther von Staufen. Device. Azure, on a pall Or a castle between three crosses formy sable.

Conflict with Michael Dolinar O'Mourne de Starhaven, Azure, on a pall Or a Florida panther's head couped reversed sable between three hearts gules. There is only a single CD under RfS X.4.j.ii for substantially changing the type of all of the tertiary charges.

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 20 November xl (2005)


Bjólfr Hróðgeirsson     (Selveirgard)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per fess argent and azure, a bear's paw print sable and a compass star elongated to base argent.
The submitter will not accept major changes to his name. Bjólfr and Hróðgeir are both listed as a Viking masculine given names in Viking Names found in the Landnámabók, by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, dated to the Ninth Century at http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html. The patronymic appears to be properly formed.

Hannah bat Aharon     (Province of the Mists)     New Name and Device

Or, in pale three bears passant gules.
The submitter will not accept any change to the spelling of the given name. Hannah is a variant English form of the female Jewish name Hanna and Aharon is a variant English form of the male Jewish name Aaron, both dated to 1070 - 1290, in Jewish Naming Conventions in Angevin England by Eleazar ha-Levi found on the Laurel web site under jewish.html. The patronymic is properly formed.

Juliana of Avon     (Mountain's Gate)     New Name and Device

Lozengy argent and sable, on a bend argent, three crescents azure.
The submitter desires an English, feminine name. Her original submission was Julianna d'Avalonia, but we could not document this name. The submitted name was her first alternate. Juliana is an English female given name from Withycombe, page 184, dated to 1196-1220. Avon is a header spelling in Ekwall on page 19, and is dated in that spelling to 1540 on page 20.

Marsaili inghean Aindrias     (Caer Darth)     New Name and Device

Per bend Or and vert, in base three acorns bendwise in bend argent.
The submitter requested an authentic Scottish Gaelic female name. Marsaili is a listed as the probable Gaelic spelling of a feminine personal name dated to the Fifteenth Century in Scottish Gaelic Given Names: For Women by Sharon L. Krossa, found at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/women.shtml. Aindrias is the nominative form of a masculine given name dated to the Twelfth Century in A Guide to Constructing 12th Century Scottish Gaelic Names on the Laurel web site at simplescotgaelicnames12.htm. The particle is correct, but we were unable to determine if the nominative form needs to change spelling for the genitive form.

Rhiannon McLaran     (Betony Wood)     New Name and Device

Or, four lily flowers in cross bases to center azure, a bordure vert.
Rhiannon is an SCA compatible Welsh name for which we count one weirdness. The submitter originally requested MacLennan as a surname, but this is a modern spelling, which would constitute a second weirdness. The submitter's first alternate was McLaren. We have documented McLaran dated to 1592 in Reaney and Wilson on page 292, under the header McLaren.

Søren j Alborgh     (Selveirgard)     New Name and Device

Chapé potenty vert and argent, a valknut vert.
The submitter desires a masculine Fifteenth Century Danish name. The name Søren is a masculine Danish name dated to 1403-1540 in the Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2166, at http://www.s-gabriel.org/2166. The submitter originally requested of Aalborg as a byname where Aalborg is a city in the Northern Jutland region founded in the early Eleventh Century. According to Diplomatiarium Norvegicum, in 1428 the city spelling was shown in the dative case as Alborgh with the proper locative byname formed with the j preposition in the example of Pæther Jlfarson borgmæstere j Alborgh which can be found at http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=6162&s=454&str=aalborg. We have changed the name to provide the Danish form requested by the submitter.

Stephan Tot     (Far West)     New Device; Name submitted 9/05

Argent, a two headed horse passant sable, a bordure per pale azure and Or.

Ximón Martillo de Cordoba     (Betony Wood)     New Name and Device

Lozengy argent and gules, on a fess sable a war hammer argent.
Ximón is a Spanish masculine given name listed at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/MenFullNames4.html. Martillo is an occupational byname found in Don Quixote at http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/cervantes/english/ctxt/dq_dictionary/M.html. It is also a diminutive form of Martil, which is found in Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century by Juliana de Luna at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/surnames-other.html. de Cordoba is a properly formed locative surname from the late Fifteenth Century as set forth at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/locative.html.


Dubheasa inghean Bran     (Golden Rivers)     Name and Device Returned

Or, three triskellions and a bordure vert.
The submitter desires a feminine name and is interested in an authentic Tenth to Fourteenth Century Irish name. The submitter will accept any form of Dubheasa. Dubh Essa is found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/all.html. Dubhdeasa and Dudeasa are found at http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/urush-names-naming.htm. The patronymic appears to be properly formed. Unfortunately, this conflicts with Dub Essa ingen uí Briainn registered October 1998. None of her suggested alternates clear this conflict.

Without a name submission, we cannot send on the device. If the submitter desires to resubmit this device, the triskellions must be drawn in standard heraldic fashion.

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