Minutes of the May, 2005 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 22 May 2005, at the home of Kiriana Michaelson in San Jose. The meeting started at 12:05 pm and ended at 2:45 p.m. In attendance at this meeting were: Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Eilis O’Boirne, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Seawolf Herald; Teleri Tawel, Artist & Exchequer to the College; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Saint Katherine; Edith de Laufare, Acting Pursuivant for Cloondara and deputy to Seawolf; Aislinn Alsop, Acting Blackmark Pursuivant; Maxen ap Morgan and Owen ap Morgan, Pursuivants at Large; Emma FitzWilliam and Naadirah bint ‘Ali, PE; John the Hessian and Flidais ni Eitigen, guest; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: June 12, July 17, September 11, October 16, and November 20. There will be no meetings in August and December. PLEASE NOTE that several of these dates have been changed due to date conflicts.

The June meeting will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). Announcements will be made in June as to the location of future meetings.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. Please no walk in submissions for the March meeting as that one is a road show.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

The Fall Collegium will be on November 19. Since the last few Collegia held in the Mists were in the Northern part of the Principality, we are looking for a new location in the Southern Mists -- although we can use the bank training center if no more desirable site is available.



SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. The previous heralds list has been eliminated from the server it was on, so everyone will have to rejoin the list. To join the list, please see: Mailing Lists.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

The LoAR for December 2004 was published in mid-May 2005, covering our July 2004 meeting. The LoAR for January 2005 was also published in mid-May, covering our September 2004 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - December 2004:

Aine ingen Fhinn. Name and device. Azure, three rose slips conjoined in base, a chief embattled argent.

This name does not conflict with Aine Fhionn, registered July, 2003. In this case Fhionn is a descriptive byname and ingen Fhinn is a patronymic, so the bynames have different meanings. The introduction of the patronymic particle also means they differ significantly in sound and appearance.

Christopher Starling. Device. Per bend sable and argent, a closing nail bendwise sinister argent.

Collette de Rayncheval. Name and device. Per chevron gules and azure, two cat's pawprints Or and a horse passant argent.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin. Reblazon of badge. (Fieldless) A demi-raven displayed sable issuant from flames proper.

This item came up during a conflict check for another item on thie LoAR. It was originally registered November 1973 under the blazon (Fieldless) A raven rising out of flames proper. This blazon led commentors to believe that the raven was in the typical rising posture, with almost the entire bird visible including the legs (but perhaps not the feet). This is doubly inaccurate to the actual emblazon, which more closely matches the original proposed blazon on the form "A raven rising from flames in the manner of a phoenix" (emphasis added). Only the top half of the raven is truly visible, and its posture is displayed instead of rising.

The term "rising" has a different meaning for phoenixes than it does for ordinary birds. Of late we have even avoided the term for a phoenix if the situation seemed to call for it, since "issuant" and "emerging" carry the same meaning without carrying the ambiguity. We have reblazoned the badge to describe the emblazon in clearer and more accurate terms.

Eithne ingen Gille Challíne. Name and device. Per bend sinister purpure and sable, on a bend sinister argent, three cat's faces palewise sable.

Eleonora Lucrezia del Fiore. Name and device. Ermine, a swan rousant contourny sable, a base gules.

Eliana Fraser. Name and device. Gyronny vert and argent, a natural leopard sejant within a bordure Or.

This name mixes an Italian saint's name with an English byname, such mixtures are one step beyond period practice.
Else Hünrvogt. Name and device. Barry gules and Or, a chicken sable.
This is clear of the badge of Sancha de Flores: (Fieldless) A cock sable, headed and queued gules. Only the body of Sancha's bird is sable, which amounts to only half of the charge.
Fáelán ua hEógain. Name and Device. Azure, on a chevron sable fimbriated, three triquetras argent.

Fernando de Santiago. Name.

Geoffrey de la Beche. Name.

Katarina Geresdottir. Name and device. Purpure, on a saltire argent, five cat's pawprints palewise sable.

Ragnsteinn frá Andréssmýri. Badge. Per pall inverted gules, azure and Or, a battleaxe fesswise Or.

Rose de Le Mans. Badge. (Fieldless) A pentaskelion of arms proper, vested argent, each hand maintaining a knife argent hilted sable.

Sæunn Egilsdóttir. Device. Per chevron sable and gules, two dogs passant respectant argent and a Thor's hammer Or.

Silver Desert, Province of. Badge. (Fieldless) A ram's head cabossed per pale argent and azure.

Staffan Arffuidsson. Name change from Hákon refr.

Nice name!

His old name, Hákon refr, is released.

Sylvie la Chardonnière. Device. Azure, a pale ermine, overall a sun Or.

Symon Cendré. Name and device. Per fess Or and gules, a boar passant gules and three plates.

Submitted as Symon Cynder. No documentation was submitted and none found that cynder is a reasonable descriptive byname. The definitions found in the OED suggest it is not. The only definition we found in period that is even applicable to humans is "The 'ashes' of a dead body after cremation or (transf.) decomposition; a1547 SURREY Æneid IV. (R.), Is there no fayth Preseru'd to the cinders of Sichee?" However, we doubt this definition is applicable to a living person. The submitter indicated he was willing to change the byname to the French Cendré; this name is found in Morlet, Dictionnaire étymologique des Noms de Famille. We have changed the name to Symon Cendré in order to register it.
Toirdhealbhach Mór mac Gille Mhuire. Name and device. Purpure, an estoile of eight rays, on a chief indented Or three mullets of four points purpure.

Veronica da Lugano. Name.

Victoria of Lynwood. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Victoria is the submitter's legal given name.

WEST - Returns - December 2004

Órlaith inghean Néill Mhóir uí Cheallacháin. Name and badge. Quarterly Or and argent, a trefoil vert within a bordure azure.

This item was forwarded on the Letter of Intent in error before the submission fees were collected. This item is returned and does not qualify for a free resubmission.

Victoria of Lynwood. Device. Per pale embattled argent and azure, in the dexter side a sprig of European ash pendant, leaved of two leaves, vert and in sinister chief a mullet of four points argent.

The device is being returned for non-period style. The applicable rules here are RfS VIII.4.c, Natural Depiction: "Excessively naturalistic use of otherwise acceptable charges may not be registered" and RfS VIII.4.d, Modern Style: "Generally modern style in the depiction of individual elements or the total design may not be registered." The overlapping of the ash leaves, the use of the ployé mullet of four points, the lack of a central focus (with two different charge types on either side of a field division) and the lack of symmetry (with the charges on either side of a field division not in a line orthogonal to the line of division) all contribute to the general modernistic feel.

WEST - Acceptances - January 2005

Aed of Avigdor. Badge. Ermine, a unicorn's head contourny issuant from base sable, on a chief purpure a club Or.

Annora Coupe Rose. Name and device. Azure, a griffin segreant argent winged, an orle of cinquefoils Or.

Avelina Dragon. Device. Argent, a wyvern displayed head to sinister and a chief vert.

Catherine Lorraine of Stonegate Manor. Badge. Per pale gules and azure, an elephant statant to sinister between three fleurs-de-lys argent.

Elric of Wolfscairn. Name.

Fettburg, Barony of. Badge for the populace. Per bend vert and Or, a tower counterchanged.

Jeffery of Jarrow. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Nicodemus Radomirow. Name and device. Per fess argent and lozengy azure and Or, in chief a rat passant sable.

Vinzenz Karius. Name and device. Per pale vert and sable, two griffins combatant and a sunburst argent.

Ysabelle d'Angiers. Device. Azure, a key palewise wards to chief between in fess two fleurs-de-lys Or.

WEST - Returns - January 2005

Jeffery of Jarrow. Device. Per chevron gules and azure.

Unfortunately, this lovely armory conflicts with Geoffrey FitzDavid, Per chevron gules and chevronelly Or and sable. While RfS X.4.a.ii.c says that "independent changes to the tincture, direction of partition lines, style of partition lines, or number of pieces in the partition may be counted separately when comparing two pieces of field-primary armory," changing the bottom half of the device from chevronelly Or and sable to azure really cannot be considered two independent changes.

There are also conflicts with Alfonso Henriques de Montoya, Per chevron azure and Or, and Tanczos Istvan, Per chevron potent and gules. In each case, only half of the field tincture is changed. As precedent states:

[Per saltire gules and azure] Conflict with ... Per saltire Or and gules. The only possible rule that could make these clear is RfS X.4.a.ii.b, Complete Change of Tincture (part of the Field-Primary Armory rules); however, that rule states If the fields of two pieces of field-primary armory have no tinctures in common, they are considered completely different and do not conflict, irrespective of any other similarities between them. While each portion of the field has changed tincture, one cannot say that they do not have a tincture in common. [Iohanna Carracci, 11/00, R-Middle].

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 22 May xl (2005)


Art mac Ceallaigh     (Cloondara)     New Name; see Returns for Device
Art is documented from Mari Elspeth nic Bryan’s “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Art” (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Art.shtml). Ceallaigh is documented from Mari’s “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Cellach/Ceallach” (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cellach.shtml). These are both found as Early Modern (c.1200-1700) forms. The same documentation shows mac as the appropriate patronymic marker for that time period.

Diamante di Giuseppe Toscani     (Ynys Taltraeth)     New Name
The submitted name was Diamante di Santoro di Loya, but we were not able to document the place name, either in Italy or in Spain. Her first alternate is Diamante di Giuseppe di Tuscani. The submitter desires an authentic 15th c. Italian Jewish feminine name.

Diamante appears twice in Arval Benicoeur’s "Feminine Given Names from the On-line Catasto of Florence of 1427" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/) but there is no indication that it was the name of a Jew. The name also appears three times in Arval’s "Feminine Given Names from Thirteenth Century Perugia" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/perugia/). The date for the source material is 1285, but again, there is no indication that any of these women were Jews. Diamante is listed three times as a Jewish woman’s name in Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi’s "Names of Jews in Rome in the 1550s" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/yehoshua/rome_article.html), which at least shows that the name was used by Jews a century after the submitter’s desired period. Yehoshua’s article also lists a Jew by the name of Giuseppe Sicilano, which provides evidence that the name Giuseppe was used by Roman Jews in the 16th century.

The locative construction di Tuscani is grammatically and historically incorrect for two reasons. First, locative bynames in northern Italy used the preposition da (not di). Secondly, locative bynames typically used town names, not names of regions. The authentic form would be Toscani, which can be found in the list of surnames in Ferrante La Volpe’s "Italian Names from Florance [sic], 1427" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/family_names.html).

Flidais ni Eitigen     (Westermark)     Name Registered 1/96; New Change of Device

Per pale azure and vert, a pale endorsed Or.
If this is registered, she releases her formerly registered device of Argent, three cinquefoils and on a chief purpure, a needle Or.

John the Hessian     (Westermark)     New Name; see Returns for Device
According to Withycombe (p.178-179), John was the name of 15.5% of all baptised males in England between 1550 and 1599. The name was also common earlier. Bahlow (p.243 at Hess) notes Margrave Rudolf of Baden, “who was also called a Hessian”, circa 1325.

Kiriana Michaelson & Leon von Schrecken     (Southern Shores)     Administrative Transfer of Badge

Sable, a standing balance argent between three swords clockwise in triangle proper.
This is a transfer of ownership of badge from Leon von Schrecken to Kiriana Michaelson by letter of permission and acceptance of transfer.

Ragnsteinn frá Andréssmýri     (Selveirgard)     Name Registered 05/04; Device Resubmission to Laurel

Gules, two battle axes in saltire Or, a chief wavy checky azure and Or.
His previous submission, Gules, two battle axes in saltire Or hafted of wood proper, a chief wavy checky Or and azure was returned by Laurel in May 2004 because the dark wood hafts were not recognizable against the field. The submitter has corrected this problem by making the axes entirely Or.

Rulff Sørensen     (Windymeads)     New Name and Device

Gyronny azure and Or, a cross vert.
The submitter requests an authentic 14th-16th c. Scandinavian name. Rulff is found as a man’s given name in Norway between 1480 and 1530 -- this is found in St. Gabriel report 2896. St. Gabriel report 2166 states that Søren is found in this spelling in Denmark in 1403-1540; -sen is the Danish patronymic particle.

Svana í SviÞjóð     (Selveirgard)     Resubmission of Name and Device to Kingdom

Per chevron embattled azure and Or, a hummingbird volant in base gules.
Svana is found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael’s “Viking Names found in the Landnámabók” (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/landnamabok.html). The connective í is found in Lindorm Eriksson’s “The Bynames of the Viking Age Runic Inscriptions” (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/) as meaning “of” in locative bynames. In the “Nordiskt runnamnslexikon” (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/nrl.shtml), under Placenames, at SvéÞiúð, SviÞjóð was the old name for Sweden, originally applying only to the important provinces around Lake Mälaren. The submitter will not accept major changes.


Art mac Ceallaigh     (Cloondara)     New Name to Laurel; New Device Returned

Azure, a bend between an owl displayed guardant, wings elevated in annulo, argent and a rowan tree eradicated Or.
The device is being returned for redrawing; the position of the owl’s wings cannot be blazoned in a manner that makes it possible to recreate the emblazon. The submitter is requested to place the wings in a standard heraldic position.

Evilan Griffen     (Ynys Taltraeth)     New Name Returned
The submitter desires an authentic female Norman name and will accept Andra Par or Andra Pares as alternates. The submitter’s documentation was basically “Found on the SCA website”, with no specific URL cited and no copy of the pages.

We were not able to find anything to support the spelling Evilan; the surname can be documented in this spelling from St. Gabriel’s report 2176 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2176) and is dated to 1576-8. We were not able to document Andra as an English name, except for one SCA registration in 1988. We can document it as an undated Italian given name. The surname Par is found in Reaney & Wilson, p.339, dated to 1402, which is very late for Norman. We could not document Pares. The submission will be returned for documentation and clarification.

John the Brewer     (Ynys Taltraeth)     New Name Returned
The submitter desires an authentic 15th c. male English name. According to Withycombe (p.178-179), John was the name of 15.5% of all baptised males in England between 1550 and 1599. The name was also common earlier. Brewer is found in Reaney & Wilson (p.63) as common -- le Brewere is documented to 1278. Unfortunately, there is already a John the Brewer registered in the SCA in August 1995. This submission must therefore be returned.

John the Hessian     (Westermark)     New Name to Laurel; New Device Returned

Per pale sable and argent, on a flame gules, a sword inverted argent, a ford.
The device is being returned for redrawing and consultation -- the flame is not drawn in a registerable manner.

Kate the barmaid     (Ynys Taltraeth)     New Name
The submitter desires an authentic 15th c. female English name. Withycombe (p.187 at Katharine) gives Kate as appearing in the Coventry Mysteries in the 15th c. Unfortunately barmaid is a not a period word. The OED dates the word barmaid to no earlier than 1658. The word Tapster, meaning a woman who draws ale at an inn dates to 1474, but there is already a Katherine Tapester registered in 9/01, so Kate Tapster or Kate the tapster would conflict. We found Ale-wyffe, meaning a woman who keeps an ale house dated to 1500 and words for on who keeps a tavern, tavernyer dated to 1340, tauerner dated to 1382, and taberner or tawyrner, dated to the Fourteenth Century. With no information on the submitter’s preference, we must return this submission.

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