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THE SEPTEMBER MEETING IS IN BERKELEY AT NOON!!!

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 17 July xl (2005)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 17 July 2005, at the home of Eilis O’Boirne in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:10 pm and ended at 2:50 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort de Carcassonne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Johanna Ludwiger von Hertesberg, Greencloak; Teleri Tawel, Artist & Exchequer to the College; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly Pursuivant; Alail Horsefriend, Green Boot Pursuivant; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Saint Katherine; Vigdís vestfirzka, Acting Snowbound; Ingrid the Fair, Acting Pursuivant for Crosston; Maxen ap Morgan, and Owen ap Morgan, Pursuivants at Large; Emma FitzWilliam and Naadirah bint ‘Ali PE at Large; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The upcoming meetings are: September 11, October 16, November 20 and January 8. There will be no meetings in August and December. PLEASE NOTE that several of these dates have been changed due to date conflicts.

In general, meetings will be held at Eilis’ house (2322 Russell Street, Berkeley CA 94705; 510-486-0633 -- call for directions). “Road show” meetings will be announced well in advance.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. Please no walk in submissions for the March meeting as that one is a road show.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ANNOUNCEMENTS
The Fall Collegium will be on November 19. Since the last few Collegia held in the Mists were in the Northern part of the Principality, we are looking for a new location in the Southern Mists -- although we can use the bank training center if no more desirable site is available. Anyone who has suggestions for locations or for classes should contact Wilhelm von Homburg, currently Seawolf, Baldric to be.

There will be Field Herald practice the first Tuesday of each month at Southern Shores fighter practice, currently held at Mission College.

PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE:

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. The previous heralds list has been eliminated from the server it was on, so everyone will have to rejoin the list. To join the list, please see: Mailing Lists.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

CYNAGUAN BOOK HERALD TRAINING MEETINGS
A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

HERALDIC PUBLICATIONS
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 728 Erica Place, Oxnard, CA 93030, (805) 278-0135.

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR
The LoAR for April 2005 was published in mid-July 2005, covering our December letter from the November 2004 meeting. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

WEST - Acceptances - April 2005:

Aelesia Marschal. Name.

Baldewyne Radnor. Name and device. Sable, a roundel Or winged of four wings ermine.

Submitted as Baldewyne ap Radnor, the byname uses an English placename as part of a Welsh patronymic. No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that Welsh patronymic bynames were ever formed from placenames. We have dropped the particle ap in order to register the name.

The byname ap Radnor was justified by the fact that the submitter is a squire of Radnor of Guildemar. Had he been a legal relative of Radnor, his name, as submitted, would have been registerable. The original given name was still a placename by type, so registering as a grandfathered patronymic does not violate any rules not already violated by the original registration. Furthermore, English names are registerable with Welsh patronymic particles:

Found on the LoI as Myfanwy ferch Gerallt, it was originally submitted as Myfanwy ap Gerald, and changed in kingdom because it was felt that the use of ap or ferch needed a Welsh name. However, late period Welsh used ap and ferch with English names, so we have restored the patronymic to the originally submitted form. (Myfanwy ferch Gerald, November 1998, p. 4)
However, as the submitter has not shown that he is a legal relative of Radnor of Guildemar, the grandfather clause does not apply in this case. We note that if the submitter wishes to interpret the name as registered as meaning "son of Radnor", he is free to do so. In English and some later period Welsh names, using just the father's given name as a byname is a common pattern. If Radnor were an attested period given name instead of a placename, that would be the appropriate meaning.

Bella Brandi. Device. Sable, in fess two frogs salient contourny argent, in dexter chief a mullet within the horns of an increscent Or.

Bragi Knutsson. Device. Per pale purpure and argent, on a pile counterchanged a bird migrant per pale sable and argent.

Caterina di Guglielmo. Name and device. Vert, a Catherine's wheel Or and a ford proper.

This documentation was inadequately summarized. The summarization only noted that each name appeared on a particular page of a particular work. When citing documentation from any work, particularly from a general reference work, it is important to summarize what the work says about the name in question. In addition, when the work is in a language other than English, a translation of the applicable parts of the documentation is required. Neither of these was provided here. Had the College not found and provided independent documentation for this name, we would have been forced to return it.

Edith de Laufare. Badge. Ermine, a hart trippant purpure.

Edward Falconer of York. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Egen Bräuer. Name change from Seán mac Aodha Uí Conghaile.

His old name, Seán mac Aodha Uí Conghaile, is released.

Heinrich von Melk. Device. Per chevron raguly sable and argent, three eagle's heads couped counterchanged.

Helena of Heathcote. Release of name and device. Argent, a heathcock close within a bordure purpure.

Jason Seaborn. Reblazon of device. Vert, a merman proper crined Or tailed and maintaining in the dexter hand a trident argent.

This device was originally blazoned as Vert, a merman proper, crined Or, orbed sable, tailed argent, grasping in the dexter hand a trident argent. We have reblazoned it to emphasize that the trident is maintained.
Ruarc Ó Faoláin. Name.

Shantala Amman. Name and device. Argent, on a bend between two serpents erect respectant tails nowed purpure three lotus blossoms in profile palewise argent.

Veronica da Lugano. Device. Azure, in pale three fish Or, an orle argent.

West, Kingdom of. Heraldic title Sejant Wolf Pursuivant (see RETURNS for other heraldic title).

WEST - Returns - April 2005:

Edward Falconer of York. Device. Per chevron embattled sable and Or, three hawk's bells inverted and a falcon volant to dexter base counterchanged.

This device conflicts with Rosalin of Faulconbridge, Per bend sable and Or, three hawk's bells and a hawk's lure counterchanged. There is a CD for changing the field, but nothing for the change of type of one of a group of four co-primary charges and nothing for inverting an essentially symmetrical charge such as a hawk's bell. There is also nothing for the arrangement of the hawk's bells, which is forced by the field change.
Griffin Garret. Device. Quarterly gules and sable, in bend two griffins segreant Or.
This device conflicts with Hywela Frech ferch Wyddel, Per bend sinister vert and vair, in bend two griffins segreant Or. There is only the one CD for changes to the field.
West, Kingdom of. Heraldic title Point Dexter Pursuivant.
No documentation was submitted for this title beyond the assertion that "A dexter point is a heraldic charge." This lack of documentation is, in itself, sufficient reason for return. Furthermore, the dexter point, which John Guillim, A DISPLAY OF HERALDRIE, calls a point dexter, is not a registerable charge:
Although all three `points' are mentioned in heraldic tracts, in practice only the base one appears to have been used; and even in the tracts, the dexter and sinister points are described as abatements of honor, to be used separately, and not in conjunction." [Katherine Sunhair, April, 1992]

It seems illogical to allow the registration of a heraldic title based on a heraldic charge that cannot be registered.

In Service,

Kiriana
Matins Herald


SUBMISSONS – 17 July xl (2005)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Alessandro Cantori     (Crosston)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Azure, a lute and on a chief Or, three C-clefs azure.
The submitter submitted Alessandro chi Marestrale in July 2004, but we were unable to document the use of the verb chi marestrale, meaning “who minstrels” as used in period naming practices. We considered the submitter’s alternate, Alessandro il Cantore, but were unable to document the “il occupation” form. We recommended the current form.

Alessandro is a given name dated between 1282 to 1532 in Florentine Renaissance Resources: Online Tratte of Office Holders at http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLNAME1.html. Cantori is also listed to the same time period, as a byname, at http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLSURNAM1.html.

The submitter will accept any drawing of a C-clef. A C-clef has been registered in the past, in the badge of Melisande de Palma registered August 1994, (Fieldless) A swan rising proper charged with a C-clef sable. It would appear to be the type example in SCA Heraldry, but we have no idea which form of a C-clef was used in that badge.

Christian Robert von Wildhausen     (Fettburg)     New Name and Device

Quarterly azure and argent, a demi-lion Or within three Latin crosses flory counterchanged.
The submitter will not accept major changes to his name. The submitter desires a masculine name and states that the sound is most important to him. Christian is listed in Withycombe dated to around 1200 on p 64. Robert is listed in Withycombe dated to 1086 on page 254. Wildhausen is the name of a place in Westphalia dated to 1245 and a place in Switzerland dated to 1484. In the Life of Martin Luther, by John Fredrick William Tischer, the author states that “Ulric Zuingle, or Zuinglius, was born January 1, 1484, at Wildhausen, in the county of Tockenburgh, in Switzerland.”

We note that Brechenmacher lists Wildhauer as a surname, dated to 1332, on p. 811.

Eva Archer     (Darkwood)     New Name and Device

Argent, in pale a lozenge and a bow fesswise inverted sable.
The submitter will not accept major changes to her name. The submitter desires an authentic 12th Century female name. Eva is a given name in Withycombe dated to 1199-1219 on p. 112. Archer is in Reaney & Wilson as Hugh le Archer dated to 1199 on p. 13 and, under the same header, Edward Archier dated to 1166.

Geirdís Valsdóttir     (Crosston)     Name Submitted to Laurel 4/05; Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Gules, a club inverted Or within an orle of bezants.
The submitter originally offered this device with a hurley stick inverted in 4/05. Since this would have been the defining instance of a hurley stick for registration, we requested documentation from the submitter as to the appearance of the charge. Unfortunately, there are no period descriptions of a hurley stick to distinguish it from a club. The submitter has therefore changed to the period charge.

Leif Utherson     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Per pale gules and argent, a linden leaf vert.
The submitter will not accept major changes to his name. The submitter desires a masculine name and states that the sound is most important to him. Leif is a standard Anglicization of Leifr listed in Bassi on p. 13. Uther is British/Arthurian. It was registered several times recently, including in 2003 and 2004. In a Welsh context, we find Uthar ap Elider B&Y 1315. Bromwich "The Welsh Triads" also notes a couple of examples.

Michael O’Connor     (Betony Wood)     New Name and Device

Per pale gules and sable, on a plate, a dragon couchant gules.
Michael is in Withycombe dated to 1218, 1303 and 1346 on p. 219. O’Connor is in Reaney & Wilson as a header on p. 327 and Conor is stated to be an Anglicized form of Conchobhair under the heading (Mac) Con(n)agher on p. 54 in MacLysaght. In Ó Corráin and Maguire, Conchobar is given as an early Irish name, dated to 882, on p. 57

We note that this device is not in conflict with the device of Cassandra of the East Winds, Sable, on at plate, a flame gules, as we feel that there is substantial difference between a dragon and a flame.

Órlaith inghean Néill Mhóir uí Cheallacháin     (Rivenoak)     Name Resubmission to Laurel and New Device

Quarterly Or and argent, a griffin passant contourney azure and in chief three trefoils vert.
The submitter submitted this name to the Kingdom in July 2004, but did not pay the appropriate fees. The name was sent on to Laurel with the understanding that the fees would be paid. Laurel returned the name because the submitter had not paid the West Kingdom College of Heralds. The West Kingdom College did pay for the submission, however, to Laurel and therefore will not include payment for this name.

The name is documented in the submitted form from Academy of Saint Gabriel report #2852 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2852), in which the client expressed interest specifically in a 13th century name. To summarize: Órlaith is an Irish feminine given name cited from at least from the 11-13th centuries in Index of Names in Irish Annals (Mari Elspeth nic Bryan; http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex). The usual late period spelling of the patronymic element meaning “daughter” is inghean is the usual late-period spelling of the patronymic element meaning “daughter”. Niall is a common Irish masculine given name found at least from the 10-16th centuries (ibid). Mór is a descriptive nickname meaning “great, large” and is one of the most common Irish descriptive nicknames in the medieval period. Examples in the annals can be found throughout the 13th century and as late as the 16th. These last two elements are put into the genitive after the patronymic marker and, for grammatical reasons, are lenited (although this only affects the byname), producing Néill Mhóir. There are examples in the annals of women’s patronyms including the father’s clan name (in the genitive). The ó Ceallacháin family name can be found from the 11th century and was prominent at least until the 17th century. See, from the online Irish annals, Donnchadh Ua Ceallachain from an entry dated 1053 (Donnchadh Ó Corráin & Mavis Cournane, “Annals of the Four Masters, vol. 2”, six volumes (WWW: CELT Corpus of Electronic Texts: a project of University College, Cork, Ireland, 1997-98), entries M903-M1171 (http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G100005B)). Put into the genitive, this becomes uí Cheallacháin.

Órlaith inghean Néill Mhóir uí Cheallacháin     (Rivenoak)     Badge Resubmission to Laurel

Quarterly Or and argent, a trefoil vert, a bordure azure.
This badge was submitted to Laurel on the West Kingdom LOI of 8/04, and was returned because the submitter had not paid the West Kingdom College of Heralds. The West Kingdom College did pay for the submission to Laurel, however, and therefore will not include payment for this badge.

Séaghdha cam shrón     (Caer Darth)     Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per pale rayonny ermine and vert, a boar statant to sinister and a chief sable.
The submitter’s name was sent on to Laurel in 4/05. The submitter offered Per pale rayonny ermine and vert, a boar statant to sinister sable in 4/05. That device was too similar to the badge of Godfrey of Inwood: (Fieldless) A boar statant contourney sable. Adding the chief clears the conflict.

ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Jadwiga de Zawada     (Eternal Winds)     Name Submitted 6/05; Device Returned

Sable, issuant from a fess embattled argent, a demi-badger maintaining a scimitar and in base a hawk’s bell Or.
This device is a very nice design. Unfortunately, this conflicts with the device of Philip of Pennskeep, Sable, a fess embattled argent between a billet fesswise and a saltorel couped Or. There is only one CD for the change of type of all of the secondary charges. The submitter provided us with two alternates and another device with two alternates, but none of these clear the conflict.


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