Minutes of the February, 2005 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 13 February xxxix (2005)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 13 February 2005, at the home of Kiriana Michaelson in San Jose. The meeting started at 12:15 pm and ended at 3:10 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassonne, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Eilis O’Boirne, Banner; Wilhelm von Homburg, Seawolf Herald; Alail Horsefriend, Green Boot Pursuivant and Deputy Artist; Teleri Tawel, Exchequer to the College and Artist Extraordinaire; Adriana Tacita, Acting Pinnacles Pursuivant; Aislin Alsop, Acting Black Mark Pursuivant; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Saint Katherine’s; Ingrid the Fair, Acting PE for Crosston; Maxen ap Morgan, Pursuivant at Large; Naadirah bint Ali and Henrico Aiello, cornets; Grimr Eiriksson , guest; and Kiriana Michaelson, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: March 6, April 24, May 22, June 12, July 17, September 11, October 16, and November 20. There will be no meetings in August and December. PLEASE NOTE that several of these dates have been changed due to date conflicts.

The March meeting will be at 10:30 am in Sacramento. The address is below. The April and May meetings will be held at Kiriana’s -- 799 Hamann Drive, San Jose CA 95117. Directions are available on the heralds’ website. After those meetings, an assessment of where future meetings will be held will be made by Vesper and Matins and the location of future meetings will be announced.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Thursday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. Please no walk in submissions for the March meeting as that one is a road show.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@mailsrv.dis.org. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

Next Spring’s Collegium will take place on March 5 in Cynagua. The location will be at the Del Paso Heights Community Library, 920 Grand Avenue, Sacramento CA 95838. Directions will be placed on the website. Please contact Alison Grey of Owlwood, Acting Baldric Pursuivant, if you have any ideas about possible classes – either classes that you will teach or classes that you want to see taught. The Sunday meeting will be at the Rancho Cordova Public Library, 9845 Folsom Blvd., Sacramento CA 95827. The meeting will begin at 10:30 am – note the earlier time.

The Fall Collegium will be on November 19. Since the last few Collegia held in the Mists were in the Northern part of the Principality, we are looking for a new location in the Southern Mists -- although we can use the bank training center if no more desirable site is available.




SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. The previous heralds list has been eliminated from the server it was on, so everyone will have to rejoin the list. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings are held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoAR for August, which covered our April 2004 meeting, was mailed to the College of Arms in January. The LoAR for September, with the decisions for submissions from our May meeting, has not been published yet. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

The following Western submissions have been registered by the College of Arms on the August LoAR:

Alienor Fitzhenry. Name.

When summarizing documentation from dictionary-format sources, please include header word under which the documentation is found. Also, when summarizing names from Web articles, please include either the full name of the article in the summarization, or include an appropriate cross reference to a bibliography attached to the LoI. All of these items help the commenters double-check documentation.

Catherine de Gray. Badge. (Fieldless) Two mermaids argent, crined, tailed and maintaining between them a Catherine's wheel sable.

Elinora O'Connor. Name and device. Argent, three butterflies azure and a chief vert.

Listed on the LoI as Elinora O'Connor, the form had Eilionora O'Connor; the Eilio was crossed out with Elin written in over it. There was no mention of changing the name on the LoI. If a name is changed at the kingdom level, please mention this on the LoI. If a submitter changes a name by scratching out part of the name on the form, please either have the submitter initial the change, or otherwise note this on the form. Both the submitted and the changed form of this name are registerable. In this instance, since we do not know who made the change on the form, we are registering the name as it appears on the LoI.

Elysant atten Oke. Name (see RETURNS for device).

When summarizing names from Web articles, please either include the full name of the article in the summarization, or include an appropriate cross reference to a bibliography attached to the LoI. Doing this helps the commenters double-check documentation.

Isabelle Parlebien. Device. Per saltire sable and purpure, an angel statant affronty and a bordure embattled argent.

There appearing to have been no prior default specification for the wing position on an angel, we will follow the stated default from Parker and declare that an angel's wings are displayed by default when the angel is affronty.

R{o,}gnvaldr sax. Name and device. Sable, on a bezant a dragon's head couped contourny gules, in chief a sword fesswise Or.

Submitted as R{o,}gnvaldr Sax, descriptive bynames in old Norse are transcribed in all lowercase (see the October 2002 Cover Letter for details). We have changed this name to R{o,}gnvaldr sax.

Titus Scipio Germanicus. Name change from Merlin James MacIntyre.

Solin and Salomie's Repertorium Nominum Gentilium et Cognominum Latino is not in CoA Administrative Handbook Appendix H, Name Books That Do Not Require Photocopies to Laurel, but no photocopies from this source were included with the submission. If the commenters had not supplied further information about the names documented from this source, we would have been forced to return this name. Please make sure to include photocopies of pages from sources not on the no-photocopy list.

His old name, Merlin James MacIntyre, is released.

The following Western submissions have been returned for further work on the August LoAR:

Elysant atten Oke. Device. Gules, a tree blasted and eradicated and on a chief nebuly argent, four acorns gules.

The line of division on the chief appears halfway between nebuly and dovetailed/embattled, between which there is a CD. Since it blurs the distinction, this must be returned for a redraw. Furthermore, the emblazon form was too small, being 5.35 inches tall.

In Service,

Kiriana Michaelson

SUBMISSONS – 13 February xxxix (2005)


Aelia Apollonia     (Crosston)     Name Change Resubmission to Laurel; Device Registered 8/03
Her registered name is Aileth Gardner. This is a resubmission to Laurel – her previous submission of Aelia Apollina was returned in January 2004.

Aelia is listed as a feminine given name in "Common Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the 6th and 7th Centuries" at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/Laurel/names/bvzantine/early_byz_names.html. Apollonia is the surname of the author of a papyrus record dating to Egypt in the 3rd century as shown in the image archive at http://odyssey.lib.duke.edu/papyrus/records/749.html, which lists Aurelia Apollonia as the author of a lease of a vineyard.

Ambrose Norwich     (Warrior’s Gate)     New Name
Ambrose is dated in this spelling to 1440 on p.18 of Withycombe (at Ambrose). Norwich is the header spelling on p.325 in Reaney – the spelling Norwic appears in the Doomsday Book. The submittor desires a 16th Century English name and will not accept major changes to his name.

Ástrídr in spaka     (Champclair)     New Name and Device

Argent, three triquetra vert.
Ástrídr is found in Bassi, p. 8 and in spaka is found in Bassi on page 32. The submittor desires an authentic feminine Norse name and desires the byname to mean “wise”.

Catelin of Coventry     (Westermark)     New Name and Device; See Returns for Badge Submission

Per bend indented Or and azure, a decrescent and a garb counterchanged.
This was submitted as Caitlin of Coventry – and Caitlin is no longer registerable (reaffirmed as recently as the June 2004 LoAR registration of Caitilín inghean Tomáis uí Dhuibihir). While the submittor will not accept major changes to this name, there is a valid form of the name that preserves her desired pronunciation.

Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" at Katharine (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Katharine) lists Kateline (dated to 1273, p.186/187 of Withycombe). The article also lists a form found as a matronymic surname, which may be reasonable to use as plausible speculative spelling for use as a given name. The form Catelin, dated 1198, is found in Reaney on p.87 at Catlin. We feel that this is a reasonable substitute for her given name.

Coventry is the modern English spelling of that period city's name. It is the header spelling found on p.126 of Ekwall. Reaney, p.113 at Coventry, dates the spelling Coventre to 1262.

Cassandra Rossignol     (Darkwood)     New Name; see Returns for New Device
Cassandra is on p.59 of Withycombe, who states that it was first recorded in England in 1207 and was common through the 13th and 14th centuries. Rossignol is on p.527 of Dausat’s Noms; this is the header spelling and is cited as an ancient form. The submittor will not accept any changes to her name, except the addition of the French article “la” between the two names.

Grímr Eiríksson     (Golden Rivers)     Name Registered 12/02; New Device Change

Sable, a valknut inverted within a bordure Or.
The submitter’s current device, Sable, on a pale cotised Or, three anchors sable, registered 12/02, will be released.

Lourdez d’Arlès     (Champclair)     New Name and Device

Vert, on a bend cotised Or, three roses proper.
Lourdez is found in Dauzat on page 399 at Lourd. Arlès is found in Dauzat on page 12. The connective is the abbreviated form of de. The submittor will not accept major changes to her name. If the given name is found unacceptable, she will use the form Lourdes, which is her modern name and which appears on her driver’s license. A copy of her license is sent to Laurel.

The device is similar to the device registered to Bromwynne an Harlick: Vert, on a bend cotised Or, three tulips palewise gules, slipped and leaved vert, a bordure Or. There is one difference for the bordure, and we feel that there should be a color and shape difference given between roses and tulips slipped and leaved.

Robert of Ravenshill     (Caer Darth)     Name Registered 7/04; Device Resubmission to Laurel

Per saltire argent and chequey vert and argent, in chief a raven rising addorsed sable.
His previous submission was returned in July 2004 for appearance of marshalling. This design rearranges the previously-submitted elements.

Robert of Ravenshill     (Caer Darth)     Name Registered 7/04; New Badge

(Fieldless) A ferret statant erect vert.

Sophia Kress     (Darkwood)     New Name and Device

Per saltire azure and argent, two seeblatts Or.
Sophia is found in Talan Gwynek’s “German Given Names 1200-1250” (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/germ13/). Kress is found on p. 284 of Bahlow; this is a header spelling and the form Kresse is dated to 1290. She wants a name authentic to 16th century Southern Germany.

Sorcha Fhionn inghean uí Ruairc     (Darkwood)     Name and Device Registered 4/02; Badge Resubmission to Kingdom

Azure, a bend sinister between two cat’s pawprints Or, a bordure argent.
Her first submission is for Argent, on a lozenge throughout azure, a cat’s pawprint Or. The submittor has a letter of permission to conflict with the device of her husband, Josephus Piscator: Argent, on a lozenge azure, a compass star throughout Or. He is requested to be listed as a co-owner of this badge. This is still too similar to the device registered to Luciano Giovanni di Churburg: Purpure chape ploye Or ermined purpure, a bear’s pawprint Or, because her submission can be blazoned Azure vetu argent, a cat’s pawprint Or, and one may not blazon one’s way out of a conflict.

This is her first alternate; Josephus Piscator is listed as co-owner.


Alienor Fitzhenry     (Eskalya)     Name Registered 8/04; New Device Returned

Vert, two bendlets sinister wavy and in base three dogwood flowers in bend argent.
The device is being returned for redrawing – the form is too small and the bendlets sinister wavy are too shallow in amplitude.

Bjorn Eiríksson     (Champclair)     New Name and Device Returned

Azure, on a bend between two bear’s pawprints Or, a mallet gules.
Bjorn is found in Bassi, p. 8. Eirík is found in Bassi on page 9; the patronymic is formed correctly. The submittor desires an authentic masculine Norse name. Unfortunately, the name is identical to that registered to Bj{o}rn Eiríksson, registered in May 2003.

The device seems free of problems, but cannot be sent to Laurel without a registerable name.

Catelin of Coventry     (Westermark)     New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) A decrescent azure.
The badge is identical to that registered to Rhiannon ui Neill : (Fieldless) A decrescent azure. Her alternate involved adding a field, which does not clear the conflict.

Cassandra Rossignol     (Darkwood)     New Device Returned, see above for New Name

Gules, a monkey salient Or estencelly sable maintaining a drop spindle Or and on a chief sable, an arrow fesswise Or.
The device is in violation of the Rule of Tincture – a sable chief cannot be placed on a gules field.

Marcos Da Braganza     (Westermark)     New Name and Device Returned

Or, masoned sable, on a torteau, an annulet argent and in base a ford proper.
According to the submittor, Marcos is the Portugese form of Mark. Da is a Portugese locative article. Braganza is an Episcopal town in northeast Portugal over which King John the First was Duke prior to his reign from 1385-1433. Unfortunately, these are all assertions unsupported by any documentation and we lack any references or resources to document Portugese names. This submission is therefore being returned for resubmission with documentation. The submittor will not accept major changes to this name and desires an authentic male name for 13th century Portugal.

This device violates the rules against landscape heraldry as it appears to be a picture of a wall with a target placed upon it. In addition, the ford is not drawn correctly – it needs another set of bars; the masoning is also drawn too thin. Finally, the device has an intrusively modern feel due to the torteau and annulet motif as discussed below.

Marcos Da Braganza     (Westermark)     New Badge Returned

Gules, an annulet argent.
The submittor has blazoned this device as (Fieldless) On a torteau, an annulet argent. As round is a shape of standard heraldic display, this may not be a fieldless device. The badge is too similar to the trademark of Target Stores, which is intrusively modern and copyrighted. In its correct blazon, the badge is too similar to the device of Edwin Bersark: Gules, a plate.

Naadirah bint ‘Ali     (Caer Darth)     Name Registered 7/04; New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) On a Hand of Fatima sable, a sexfoil argent.
The badge is too similar to the badge of Malachias von Morgenstern: (Fieldless) On a sinister hand sable, a compass star argent.

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