Minutes of the September, 2004 Herald's Meeting

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Thank you very much to everyone who helped with heraldic duties at Purgatorio. We had a great turn out for this event. We are looking for helpers for book heraldry at October Crown as we expect a good number of gentles seeking consultation at that event.
Remember that required documentation to be sent with name and armory submissions includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references.


The meeting was held on Sunday, 12 September 2004, at Eilis’ house in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:30 p.m. and ended at 2;10 p.m. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassonne, Vesper and Banner; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Wilhelm von Homberg, Seawolf; Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, Harpy Herald; Alison Gray of Owlwood, Acting Baldric Pursuivant; Teleri Tawel, Artist and Exchequer for the College; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Sainte Katherine’s; Edith de Laufare, Acting Pusuivant for Cloondara; Kiriana Michaelson, Maxen ap Morgan, and Alail Horsefriend, Pursuivants at Large; Effric Neyn Ken3ocht Mcherrald, Nicodemus Radomirow, Annora Coupe Rose, Felix MacAvoy, Faelan ua hEogain, Aelia Apollina, and Emma FitzWilliam, cornets; and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: October 3, November 21, January 9, February 13, March 13, April 10, May 8, and June 5. There will be no December meeting. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O’Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@mailsrv.dis.org. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

HERALDS’ COLLEGIUM: The Fall Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for November 20, with the meeting on November 21. Thanks to the good offices of Duchess Letitia, former Baldric Pursuivant, it will be held at the Mechanics Bank Operations Center, 725 Alfred Nobel Drive in Hercules (near Pinole and Vallejo) – the same site as last year. The meeting on the following day will be at Eilis’ in Berkeley.

Next Spring’s Collegium will take place on March 12 in Cynagua. Please contact Celestine delaFontaine (formerly known as Alison Grey of Owlwood), Acting Baldric Pursuivant, if you have any ideas about possible locations or classes – either classes that you will teach or classes that you want to see taught.



SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form and any documentation or petitions, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited – including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel – as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings will be held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm. The meetings will be held at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoAR for May, which will include our January meeting, has not been published yet. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

In Service,

Eilis O'Boirne

SUBMISSONS – 12 September xxxviii (2004)


Aed of Avigdor     (Wolfscairn)     Name Registered 11/83 (Midrealm); New Badge

Ermine, a unicorn’s head to sinister issuant from base sable, on a chief purpure, a club fesswise Or.
The identical design without the chief is his registered device.

Annora Coupe Rose     (Mists)     New Name and Device

Azure, a griffin segreant argent winged Or, within an orle of cinquefoils Or.
Annora is given on p.154-55 of Withycombe as a form of Honor – this spelling is dated to the Hundred Rolls in 1273. Coupe Rose is a compound surname given on p.75 of Jönsjö and is dated to 1251-59.

Avelina Dragon     (Mont d’Or)     Name Registered 12/03; Device Resubmission to Kingdom
Argent, a wyvern displayed, head to sinister, and a chief vert.
Her previous submission, without the chief, was returned in April for conflict.

Catherine Lorraine of Stonegate Manor     (Southern Shores)     Name Registered 9/92; New Badge Resubmission to Kingdom

Per pale gules and azure, an elephant statant to sinister between three fleurs-de-lys argent.
Her previous submission, Per pale gules and azure, an elephant statant to sinister argent, was returned in July for conflict.

Elric of Wolfscairn     (Wolfscairn)     New Name; See Returns for New Device
The given name is documented from The New Regesta Regum Anglorum, a searchable edition of the corpus of Anglo-Saxon royal diplomas placed on the web (http://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/sdk13/chartwww/NewRegReg.html). The byname is the registered name of his SCA branch, which was registered in July 1982.

Fettburg, Barony of     (Fettburg)     Name Registered 8/79 (?); New Badge

Per bend vert and Or, a tower counterchanged.
This is a new populace badge; it is accompanied by an appropriate petition.

Jeffery of Jarrow     (Crosston)     Name and Device Resubmissions to Kingdom

Per chevron gules and azure.
His previous submission, Per bend sinister gules and azure, a compass star Or, was returned in February for conflict. His name was returned because we were unable to document the unusual spelling of the given name.

Jeffrey is on p.174 of Withycombe. The entry refers back to the entry for Geoffrey on p.128, but there are no references to any spelling ending -ery. Jeffrey is in Reaney and Wilson, p.253, under Jeffray, dated to 1327 for Joan Jeffrey. We were unable to document the unusual spelling of the given name, but that is how his modern name is spelled and he provides a copy of his driver’s license. Jarrow is on p.190 of Mills’ A Dictionary of English Place Names as a header spelling.

Nicodemus Radomirow     (Mists)     New Name and Device

Per fess argent and lozengy azure and Or, in chief a rat passant sable.
The name is documented from Slownik Staropolskich Nazw Osobowych, v.3 – Nicodemus is on p.5 at Nikodem, and is dated to 1437. Radomirow is formed on Radomir, which is dated in that form to 1618, but which has earlier forms dating to well within period, such as Radomyro to 1348 and Radomiri to 1470-80. The formation of the surname is from Polish Surnames: Origins and Meanings, 2nd edition, by William Hoffman – the information is on pages 18 and 34. Copies will be sent to Laurel.

Vinzenz Karius     (Fendrake Marsh)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per pale vert and sable, two griffins combatant and a sunburst argent.
This name and device were returned in July since no fees were paid. The fees have now been received.

Vinzenz is dated to the 15th c. in Late Period German Masculine Given Names: Names from 15th Century Plauen (Talan Gwynek; http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/germmasc/plauen15.html) -- he notes “These names are extracted from Volkmar Hellfritzsch, Vogtländische Personennamen (Berlin: Akademie-Verlag, 1969). 1974).” Karius is found as a header spelling in Brechenmacher (Brechenmacher, Josef Karlmann. Etymologisches Wörterbuch der Deutschen Familiennamen. Limburg a. d. Lahn: S. A. Starke Verlag, 1957-60.), v2, p13 under “Kariß, Karius, Käriß”. The dated citations are 1463 for Conr. Kariß and 1492 for Carius (as a given name).

Ysabelle d'Angiers     (Far West)     Name Registered 3/04; Device Resubmission to Laurel

Azure, in fess a key palewise wards to chief between two fleurs-de-lys Or.
This device was returned by Laurel in March 2004 for the following reasons:
The full-size emblazon is only 4 3/8 inches tall. The Admin Handbook states that escutcheons should be 6 inches tall; we allow a deviation of 1/2 inch either way, but over 1 1/2 inches difference is far out of specification. From the very wide margins on the forms, it appears that the problem stems from photocopying the forms too small.

In addition, this conflicts with France Modern (important non-SCA arms): Azure, three fleurs-de-lis Or. As drawn, the charges are closer to being co-primary than they are a primary between two secondaries, so while there is a CD for arrangement of the charges, there is no CD for type of one out of three when that 'one' is not the bottommost of two-and-one. If this same armory is resubmitted on properly sized forms, the submitter should draw the key longer, which would both fill the space better and make it obviously the sole primary charge (leaving the fleurs-de-lys as secondaries), clearing the conflict with France. (LoAR March 2004)

The device has been redrawn and is being resubmitted at Ysabelle’s request.


Celestine Delafontaine     (Betony Woods)     Name Registered 7/94; New Name Change Returned
Her registered name is Alison Gray of Owlwood. This is a change of name on peerage, and is therefore without charge. We were unable to document Celestine as a given name used in period so this name must be returned. Delafontaine is documented in this spelling under the heading Delafaverie in Dauzat on page 184.

Elisabeth Marschal     (Tarnmist)     New Name Returned
Elisabeth is on p.99 of Withycombe. The spelling is dated to 1483 – under Elizabeth (p.99-100), there is mention of one Ysabell or Elisabeth Cutler. Marschal is on p.300 of Reaney at Marshall dated in this spelling to 1296.

This name is too similar to Elizabet Marshall, registered August 2002.

Elric of Wolfscairn     (Wolfscairn)     New Device Returned

Sable, a cross and in sinister chief a standing balance argent.
This conflicts with the flag of Cornwall, Sable, a cross argent.

Phelan of Clan Campbell     (Far West)     New Name and Device Returned

Quarterly, gyronny sable and Or, and gules, a wolf’s head erased Or.
This name must be returned as we do not register the name formation “of Clan ___”. The submitter’s alternate name of Phelan mac Campbell does not help this submission, as the “mac” construction is not used with the name Campbell.

“Names and Naming Practices in the Red Book of Ormond” (Heather Rose Jones, 1999 Heraldic Symposium Proceedings) gives the 14th c. Anglicized spellings “ffolan” and “ffoulin”. (The “ff” is an orthographic variant of a capital “F”.) These are names of Irish men, but the spellings are Anglicized and so should carry over to a Scots context. Black (p.129ff under Campbell) has the spelling “Campbell” cited at least in the 13th and 14th centuries.

The proposed device is marshaled, which is not allowed for SCA submissions. The marshaled arms include the Campbell arms in two quarters, which gives the appearance of presumption to the right to bear the Campbell arms.

Vale de Draco, Stronghold of     (Far West)     Name Registered 6/98; Resubmission of Device to Kingdom Returned

Azure crusily argent, on a point pointed argent, a dragon rampant sable within and conjoined to a laurel wreath vert.
The last attempt to register a device for this branch, according to our records, seems to have been in 11/94, when the branch was still called Ryuugatani. This device must be redrawn as Lady Laurel will not accept forms where the device is less than five and a half inches in size (see Ysabelle, above). The proposed blazon for the device on the submission form and petition indicates a per chevron division, but the drawing places the line too low to be a per chevron field division. If the submitter wishes a per chevron division, the division should divide the field roughly in half. Crusilly should be drawn with significantly fewer, larger crosslets than were used on this emblazon. The charges in base should be drawn with the laurel wreath around the dragon and not partially under the dragon.

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