Minutes of the May, 2004 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 9 May 2004, at Eilis’ house in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:05 p.m. and ended at 2:40 p.m. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassonne, Vesper and Banner; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Antonio Giordano da Sicilia, Sable Swan; Johanna Ludwiger von Hertesbergk, Acting Green Crown Pursuivant; Teleri Tawel, Artist and Exchequer for the College; Walraven van Nijmegen, Nebuly Pursuivant; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Saint Katherine; Elinora O’Connor, Acting Glora Fjord Pursuivant; Ingrid the Fair, Acting Pursuivant for Crosston; Marguerite du Royon, Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Kiriana Michaelson, and Maxen ap Morgan, Pursuivants at Large; Naadirah bint ‘Ali, and Catherine de Gray, cornets; and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: June 6, July 25, September 12, October 3, and November 21. There will be no August or December meetings. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O’Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@mailsrv.dis.org. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

HERALDS’ COLLEGIUM: The Fall Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for November 20, with the meeting on November 21. Thanks to the good offices of Duchess Letitia, former Baldric Pursuivant, it will be held at the Mechanics Bank Operations Center, 725 Alfred Nobel Drive in Hercules (near Pinole and Vallejo) – the same site as last year. The meeting on the following day will be at Eilis’ in Berkeley.


SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A new training and commenting meeting is being started in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The initial emphasis will be on creating and/or improving basic heraldic research skills for those persons interested in attending. The goal is to increase the number of people able to assist in heraldic consultation and commenting in Cynagua and the West Kingdom and to have an enjoyable time with like-minded friends while doing so.

The meetings will be held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month and will begin on Monday, May 10 at 7:00 pm. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym (Ginni Morgan) will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

The meetings will be held at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823. To get there: From the north on Hwy 99: Exit at Sheldon Rd. Turn left on the frontage road and right onto Sheldon. *Continue on Sheldon past Bruceville. Sheldon Rd. becomes Center Pkwy. Continue past theater to next signal light, which is Jacinto. Turn left on Jacinto. The house is on the left about a mile from the intersection of Center and Jacinto. There is a tall utility box in front of the house. From the south on Hwy 99: Exit at Sheldon Rd. Turn left onto frontage road and left onto Sheldon. Follow directions after * above.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The latest edition of the Armorial and Ordinary, along with updates for the previous editions, are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoAR for February, which covered our October meeting, has not yet been published. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

In Service,

Eilis O'Boirne

SUBMISSONS – 9 May xxxviii (2004)


Abd al-Rahman al-Javier     (Oertha)     New Name; see Returns for Device
The name was submitted as Abd Al-Rahman Al-Javier, but the upper case “A” in Al is not correct. Abd al-Rahman is found in Juliana de Luna’s “Andalusian Names: Arabs in Spain” (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/Andalusia.html). Javier Castle existed well in period (http://turismo.navarra.com/media/Javier.html). The name is correctly formed with a given name and a place name. The submittor wishes an authentic name for Moorish Spain.

Ádísa Hrefna Úlfsdóttir     (Ravensfjord)     New Name and Device

Gules, on a saltire Or between four mullets pierced argent, a raven close sable.
Ádísa is from the Nordiskt runnamnslexikon online (http://www.dal.lu.se/runlex/index.htm); Hrefna, meaning she raven, is in Cleasby and Vigfusson’s An Icelandic-English Dictionary (http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/oi_cleasbyvigfusson_about.htm); Úlfsdóttir is a patronymic formed correctly on the male name Úlfr, found on p.15 of Bassi. The submittor will not accept major changes.

Caitríona inghean ui Chionaodha     (Eskalya)     New Name and Device

Per fess azure and vert, on a fess wavy argent, a feather sable.
Caitríona is found in Mari neyn Brian’s “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Feminine Names” (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/); the patronymic is formed on the male name ó Cionaodha, which is found in Woulfe. The feminine patronymic particles cause the name to be in the genitive. The submittor wants the name to be grammatically correct and will accept necessary changes.

Elisabeth René de Champagne     (Esfenn)     Name Registered 8/97; Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Azure, on a pile wavy between two garbs Or, three caltrops in pale gules.

Mikha’il al-Tayyib ibn Khalid ibn Ahmad al-Gharnatii     (Golden Rivers)     Name Submitted to Laurel 1/04; New Device

Argent, a panther passant sable incensed gules, in chief three mullets of eight points sable.

Susan of Bellatrix     (Calderium)     Name Registered 6/00; Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Azure, a sheaf of three arum lilies argent slipped and leaved Or, a double tressure argent.
The submittor blazoned the lilies as calla lilies. Calla lilies are from sub-Saharan Africa and were not known in Europe in period. Arum lilies are essentially identical in form.

West, Kingdom of     (West)     Heraldic Title Resubmission to Laurel
The title being submitted is Money Bag Herald. The previous submission, Chequey Herald, was returned by Laurel in 1/04 because it was drawn from a field treatment rather than a heraldic charge.

West, Kingdom of     (West)     New Heraldic Title
The title being submitted is Green Boot Herald.

Abd al-Rahman al-Javier     (Oertha)     New Device Returned

Azure, a lobed trefoil partially voided and pierced, within the piercing a compass star conjoined argent.
The submittor blazons the charge “a trefoil slipped”. It is not a trefoil slipped; in fact, it is not a charge which can be described in heraldic terms. The submittor wants the “trefoil” to resemble three conjoined imperial crowns, but is not a royal peer.

The device is too similar to the device of Olwen of Buckland: Azure, a trefoil stalked argent.

Alhric Scraver     (Golden Rivers)     New Name (?) and Device Returned

Gyronny argent and gules, a falcon rising sable.
The submittor states that the name is submitted with the device, but did not send any forms. The correct fee for name and device registration was sent, but we have no documentation for the name.

The device is too similar to the device registered to Andrei de Sebastapol: Gyronny argent and gules, a double-headed eagle displayed sable and to the device of Bjorn Þorkelson: Quarterly argent and azure, a raven rising, wings addorsed, sable maintaining a heart gules.

Esmeralda del Lago en Cielo     (Alpensee)     New Name and Device Returned

Per bend vert and azure, a bend between a mountain range with a lake between the peaks and a horse passant argent.
All the “documentation” is from SCA registrations – she wants the byname to mean “of the lake in the sky”. However, the submittor requests an authentic Spanish name and will not accept major changes. She is willing to accept the alternate name Esmeralda de Sierra Nevada. The name is being returned for consultation as to form, along with a request for additional documentation. Please note that even recent SCA registrations of a name are no guarantee that the name is acceptable – it may be the submittor’s modern name or may be grandfathered from an earlier submission.

The device is being returned for consultation – the mountain and lake combination are simple not heraldic. The device is too similar to the device registered to Rhodri Ewias: Per bend vert and azure, a bend between a Celtic cross and a lymphad, sail furled, argent. There is only one difference, for changing the charges around the bend.

Esmeralda del Lago en Cielo     (Alpensee)     Name Submitted Above; New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) A horse passant conjoined to a mountain range with a lake between the peaks.
The badge is not heraldic in style.

Giana Vittoria Colonna     (Golden Rivers)     Name Submitted to Laurel 1/04; New Device Returned

Azure, a bear sejant erect Or, on a chief invected argent, three bees volant, wings elevated and addorsed, sable.
The device is too similar to the device of Margarethe Wessel: Azure, a bear rampant Or, on a chief invected argent, three anchors azure. There is a difference for the charges on the chief, but none is given between sejant erect and rampant.

Méabh nic Leinn     (Caer Darth)     New Name Returned
This was submitted last month, but somehow was dropped from the Minutes. The submittor constructed the name using Irish dictionaries. She wishes an authentic Irish Gaelic name and will not accept major changes. There are problems with the construction of the name.

Méabh is a modern spelling of (late) period Méadhbh -- the period form is Meadhbh which can be found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Meadhbh" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Meadhbh.shtml); nic is a modern Gaelic spelling of (late) period inghean Mhic, which means "daughter of Mac-", not "daughter", and is used in the Irish clan affiliation bynames formed from the father's Mac X style clan affiliation byname. The period Irish for "daughter" is inghean. ("Quick and Easy Gaelic Bynames" by Sharon L. Krossa at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/); leinn appears to be the genitive singular of the modern Irish word léann, meaning "learning, education, study", which corresponds to the older form léigheann. Now, as it happens, Woulfe lists a surname mac an Fhirlé/ighinn, literally "son of the man of learning". What this suggests is that, if she wishes to posit a father surnamed "Mac Fhirléighinn", then one way she might be identified would be as inghean mhic Fhirléighinn. In summary, the following full name would be registerable and authentic for late period Irish Gaelic: Meadhbh inghean mhic Fhirléighinn (meaning Meadhbh daughter of (a man surnamed) 'son of the man of learning').

Rose de la Mans     (Caer Darth)     Name Registered 5/92; Device Registered 1/93; New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) A maunch argent.
This is too similar to the badge registered to Briana Etain MacKorkhill: Vert ermined, a maunch reversed argent. There is no difference between a left and a right maunch.

Rose de la Mans     (Caer Darth)     Name Registered 5/92; Device Registered 1/93; New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) A maunch vert.
This is too similar to the device registered to Amber Creissant a’ l’Étoile: Or, issuant from a maunch vert, a hand proper holding a pomme charged with an estoile of four greater and four lesser points Or. There is no difference given for the hand or the maintained pomme.

Rose de la Mans     (Caer Darth)     Name Registered 5/92; Device Registered 1/93; New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) A pentaskelion of arms, vested argent, each hand grasping a knife proper.
This is being returned for clarification of which shade of “human proper” is desired. In addition, the usual “vested” would involve a sleeve to the wrist – documentation of the use of an elbow-length or rolled-up sleeve would be required.

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