Minutes of the March, 2004 Herald's Meeting

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Vesper is stepping down at Beltane – a successor will be chosen at March Crown.

MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 7 March xxxviii (2004)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 7 March 2004, at the Rancho Cordova Library in Sacramento. The meeting started at 10:53 a.m. and ended at 2:30 p.m. In attendance at this meeting were: Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Marguerite de Royon, Greencloak; Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassone, Banner; Wilhelm von Homberg, Seawolf; Antonio Giordano da Sicilia, Sable Swan; Teleri Tawel, Artist and Exchequer for the College; Johanna Ludwiger von Hertesbergk, Gonfannon Pursuivant; Leah O’Connor, Acting Glora Fjord Pursuivant; Adriana Tacita, Acting Pinnacles Pursuivent; Moira O’Connor, Acting Pursuivant for Crystalmist; Harold von Rhinefelden, Ghislaine d’Auxerre, Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, and Alail Horsefriend, Pursuivants at Large; Neassa mhic Cathasaigh, PE at Large; Alison Gray of Owlwood, Vigdís Vestfirzka, Edith de Laufare, Emma FitzWilliam, and Anneke Grove, cornets; and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins. There was a surprise guest appearance by Stefan of Pembroke, who just wanted to use the library…

The upcoming meetings are: April 11, May 9, June 6, July 25, September 12, October 17, and November 21. There will be no August or December meetings. The March meeting will be held in Sacramento, at the Rancho Cordova Library – see directions below. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O’Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@mailsrv.dis.org. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

HERALDS’ COLLEGIUM: The Spring Heralds' Collegium was a resounding success, with over 30 people participating in voice training and field and court practicums.

The Fall Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for November 20, with the meeting on November 21. If you have a site that you think will work, please contact Vesper.


SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The latest edition of the Armorial and Ordinary, along with updates for the previous editions, are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoAR for November was published in February, and covered July submissions. The West did not publish a July letter; the submissions from our July meeting were sent to the College of Arms in August. The only Western items were reblazons, and they are given below. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

Western items on the November LoAR:
Beornwynn the Curmudgeon. Device reblazon. Or, goutty de sang, a brock's head caboshed argent marked sable within a bordure rayonny sable.

The previous blazon, Or, goutty de sang, a brock's head caboshed proper within a bordure rayonny sable, tinctured the brock's head as proper. As noted in the Cover Letter to this LoAR, there is no clearly defined proper tincture for brocks.

Nachum Avram ben Benjamin ben Meir. Device reblazon. Azure, a brock passant argent incensed proper.

The previous blazon, Azure, a brock [Meles meles] passant proper, incensed, tinctured the brock as proper. As noted in the Cover Letter to this LoAR, there is no clearly defined proper tincture for brocks or badgers.

In this emblazon, the brock is very light grey or argent with a small black marking around the eye, so it may easily be reblazoned to argent. The previous blazon also did not specify the tincture of the enflaming.

Richard Blackbury. Badge reblazon. Azure, a brown brock rampant proper between three mullets argent.

The previous blazon, Azure, a brock rampant proper between three mullets argent, tinctured the brock as proper. As noted in the Cover Letter to this LoAR, there is no clearly defined proper tincture for brocks.

Siranna of Hawthorn Hall. Badge reblazon for Hawthorn Hall. Per pale gules and sable, a tower Or between in fess two hawthorn blossoms argent.

The previous blazon, Per pale gules and sable, a tower Or between in fess two hawthorn blossoms, did not give the tincture of the hawthorn blossoms.

In Service,

Eilis O'Boirne

SUBMISSONS – 7 March xxxviii (2004)


Antonio Giordano da Sicilia     (Golden Rivers)     Name and Device Registered 12/96; New Badge

(Fieldless) Two dragons combatant purpure and azure maintaining a cross formy gules.
This is to be a jointly-held badge with Antonio Giordano da Firenze.

His first design, (Fieldless) Two dragons combatant purpure maintaining a cross formy gules, is too similar to the device registered to Deirdre McLair: Argent, two dragons combatant purpure maintaining an arrow inverted vert. His first alternate, with the dragons Or, is too similar to the device of Damhnait of the Cleftlands: Azure, two dragons combatant Or.

Byran of Edgewood Castle     (Crystalmist)     Name and Device Registered 6/97; New Name Change
His registered name is Byran Ciúinchalaidh. There is no charge for this change, since he received a Pelican at Purgatorio.

Byran is his registered given name; the locative was registered to his wife, Rose of Edgewood Castle, in December 2002. He will not accept major changes.

Demetrios Doukas     (Esfenn)     New Name and Device

Per pale sable and vert, a double-headed eagle and a chief argent.
The names are taken from www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/byzantine/masc_given_names.html and www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/byzantine/family_names.html. Both are from The Doukai by Demetrios Polemis; Demetrios is dated to 1244 and Doukas to 1020. He will not accept major changes.

Gunnvaldr Skallagrimson     (Ecorngill)     Name Submitted to Laurel 8/03; New Device

Per pale gules and sable, in bend sinister a branch argent budded Or.

Isabelle Parlebien     (Rivenoak)     New Name; see below for Device
Isabelle is found on p.337 of Dauzat. This spelling is given as the name of the sister of Saint Louis – it seems to be dated 1468. Parlebien is dated in this spelling to 1320 on p.138 of Jonsjo.

Maud verch Howell     (Golden Rivers)     New Change of Registered Name and Device

Argent, a sheep statant and on a chief embattled sable, three triangles argent.
Her previously registered name, Anna Genevieve, was registered in July 1985.

The name is constructed from A Simple Guide to Constructing 16th Century Welsh Names (in English Contexts) by Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasvryn (www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystl/welsh16).

The first choice for the device, Argent, a sheep statant and on a chief sable, three triangles argent, is too similar to the device registered to Michel de Belgique: Argent, a ram passant and on a chief sable, a label argent.

She wishes to retain her old device, Per bend sinister sable and argent, on a bend counterchanged, two spindles palewise gules and Or, as a badge.

Merewen of Lockwood     (Rivenoak)     New Name and Device

Azure, a vol, in chief a compass star, a bordure embattled Or.
The given name is from Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames by Talan Gwynek (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Merewen) and is dated to 1202 in this spelling. Lockwood is on p.302 of Ekwall; the name is dated to 1275 and this is the header spelling.

Naadirah bint ‘Ali     (Caer Darth)     New Name and Device

Bendy argent and vert, on a chief purpure three sexfoils argent.
Salahuddin Ahmed's A Dictionary of Muslim Names, p. 296, gives Nadira, from the more literary transliteration, "naadirah", as the feminine form of Nadir. Dodge, the Fihrist of al-Nadim (a translation of a 10th Century source), vol. 2, p. 1067, cites one Abu Nadir ibn Humayd. Nadira would be the expected feminine form (which Ahmed already told us). There is some leeway in transliteration from the Arabic and expected forms would be: Nadira, Nadirah, or Naadirah. The connective bint means “daughter of”. Ali is a common male Arabic name which can be found in Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices by Da’ud ibn Auda (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm), and Da’ud recommends restoring the "ayn" (usually transliterated as an apostrophe) to Ali, making it 'Ali.

Richenza von Augsburg     (Eskalya)     Name Registered 3/03; Device Resubmission to Laurel

Gules, a stag’s head cabossed argent, a base vairy argent and sable.
Her previous submission, with a field divided per fess, was returned by Laurel for conflict in March 2003.

Robert of Ravenshill     (Caer Darth)     New Name and Device

Quarterly argent and checquey vert and argent, in bend two ravens rising to sinister sable.
Robert is on p.254 of Withycombe. She states that “Robin, a diminutive form of Rob, was in the 13th century more usual than Robert itself” – which implies that Robert was used in the 13th century. Ekwall (on pages 381-382) gives many place names in Ravens-, including Ravensdale and Ravensthorpe. Ravenshill is a feasible construction. He wishes an authentic name for “Borders Scotland (Anglicized)”.

His first design, Quarterly argent and checquey vert and argent, in bend a raven rising to sinister and a sheaf of arrows sable, is contrary to the rules, since it gives the appearance of marshaled arms. There was a difference of opinion as to whether the chequey quarters would be acceptable as “uncharged quarters”, but it was felt that this would be a question for Laurel to decide since we could not discover a precedent.

Cynagua, Principality of     (West)     Name Registered 10/79; Return of Resubmission of Device for Consort

Quarterly argent and Or, a swan naiant sable, a bordure sable semy of roses Or.
The previous design was returned in February for use of a laurel wreath in a device for a non-branch entity.

The device is too similar to the device registered to Cedric the Dark: Or, a swan naiant sable within a bordure sable bezanty.

Eirnín ni Padraig     (Windymeads)     New Name and Device Returned

Per pale argent and azure, a triquetra inverted and in chief three roundels counterchanged.
Eirnín is on p.89 of O’Corrain & Maguire at Erníne. Patraic, Padraig is on p.152 of O’Corrain & Maguire. The submittor states that “ni and inni were provided by herald to mean daughter of”, and she lists several alternate given names. She will not accept major changes.

The given name and patronymic particle are the modern forms; the grammar of the patronymic is incorrect. The early form would be Eirníne inghean Phádraig; the late (Anglicized) form would more likely be Eirnín MacPatrick. We will return the name so that she can choose which form she prefers.

The device seems acceptable, but cannot be sent on without a registered name.

Geoffrey LeBeche     (?? Far West)     New Device Returned; Name Status in Question

Azure, a pile Or, overall a beech tree eradicated proper.
The submittor states that this name is registered, but it's not in the on-line Armorial. We will return the submission with a request for clarification.

Geoffrey is found on p.128 of Withycombe as the header spelling and is given as common from the 12th to the 15th century. The surname is found in the form de la Beche dated to 1236 on p.36 of Reaney at Beech.

The device is not registerable with the tree overall since it violates the rule of tincture. If the tree is on the pile, it is too similar to the device registered to Jaromir Mikhailovich: Azure, on a pile Or, in chief a sun gules. The alternates do not address the cause for return.

Isabelle Parlebien     (Rivenoak)     New Name Sent to Laurel; New Device Returned

Gyronny sable and purpure, an angel, arms crossed on its chest and wings displayed, argent holding a heart gules in its dexter hand, a bordure embattled argent.
The device is being returned because a field cannot be divided into more than four parts in low contrast. However, it seems acceptable with either a sable or a purpure field. We will recommend that the details of the angel’s arm positions and the heart be omitted.

Jillian Saint André     (Fendrake Marsh)     Name Registered 3/92; Device Resubmission to Kingdom Returned

Per pale gules and Or, three suns in splendor within a bordure rayonny counterchanged.
Her name was registered and her previous device submission was made through Ansteorra. The device is being returned for redrawing – the bordure is too narrow and has about twice as many “rays” as necessary.

Ulrich von Rothenburg     (Darkwood)     Name Registered 10/02; New Badge Returned

Per bend vert and gules, an eagle’s leg erased a la quise argent.
This badge is to be jointly owned with Genevieve de Calais.

The badge is too similar to the badge registered to Damianus Petrolino: (Fieldless) A dragon’s jambe erased inverted clutching a roundel argent. A “regular” dragon’s jambe is inverted, so inverting it would put it in this position.

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