Minutes of the June, 2004 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 6 June xxxviii (2004)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 6 June 2004, at Eilis’ house in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:20 p.m. and ended at 2:00 p.m. In attendance at this meeting were: Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassonne, Vesper and Banner; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Wilhelm von Homberg, Seawolf; Antonio Giordano da Sicilia, Sable Swan; Alison Gray of Owlwood, Acting Baldric Pursuivant; Johanna Ludwiger von Hertesbergk, Acting Green Crown Pursuivant; Teleri Tawel, Artist and Exchequer for the College; Ingrid the Fair, Acting Pursuivant for Crosston; Kiriana Michaelson, and Maxen ap Morgan, Pursuivants at Large; Geoffrey le Dragon and Neassa mhic Cathasaigh, PEs at Large; Elsa Saxenkammer, Emma FitzWilliam, and Catherine de Gray, cornets; and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: July 25, September 12, October 3, November 21, January 9, February 13, March 13, April 10, May 8, and June 5. There will be no August or December meetings. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O’Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@mailsrv.dis.org. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

HERALDS’ COLLEGIUM: The Fall Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for November 20, with the meeting on November 21. Thanks to the good offices of Duchess Letitia, former Baldric Pursuivant, it will be held at the Mechanics Bank Operations Center, 725 Alfred Nobel Drive in Hercules (near Pinole and Vallejo) – the same site as last year. The meeting on the following day will be at Eilis’ in Berkeley.

Next Spring’s Collegium will take place on March 12 in Cynagua. Please contact Alison Grey of Owlwood, Acting Baldric Pursuivant, if you have any ideas about possible locations or classes – either classes that you will teach or classes that you want to see taught.




SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

A training and commenting meeting is being held in Cynagua to promote and encourage interest in book heraldry and raise the level of general heraldic knowledge along the eastern side of the kingdom. The meetings will be held on the second and fourth Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm. The meetings will be held at the home of Harold von Rheinfelden (Kevin Ellingson), 5390 Jacinto Avenue, Sacramento, CA 95823 – directions are in the May 2004 Minutes. Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym will run the meetings. You can reach her via phone: (916) 323-4268 or email: ginni.morgan@doj.ca.gov.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The latest edition of the Armorial and Ordinary, along with updates for the previous editions, are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoAR for February, which covered our October meeting, was published in late May. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

The following Western submissions were registered on the February LoAR:

Danaë FitzRoberts. Badge. Azure, a castle issuant from base argent within a bordure argent mullety of eight points vert.

Dregel Alewulf. Badge. Quarterly sable and gules, a wolf's head erased contourny argent.

Effric Neyn Ken{gh}ocht Mcherrald. Alternate name Effe Men{gh}eis.

Submitted as Effric Neyn Ken3ocht Mcherrald, we have replaced the 3 with {gh} as the representation for the yogh character per the May 2001 LoAR:
The main question in this submission was how to represent the letter yogh. For most purposes within the College, Da'ud notation is likely to be used; in that notation, {gh} is the appropriate choice. [Effric Neyn Ken{gh}ocht Mcherrald, 05/2001 LoAR, A-West]

Effric Neyn Ken{gh}ocht Mcherrald. Device. Ermine, a cross formy and a chief gules.

The device works well with the new alternate name! In Scotland, it was relatively common for a new armigerous family to design armory which resembled - but was not cadenced from - armory belonging to an existing armigerous family with the same surname. (In fact, current Scots armorial practice requires that a newly armigerous family contain an appropriate armorial reference to an existing armigerous family of the same surname, even if no blood relationship is present). This device is quite appropriate for a 16th C newly armigerous family surnamed "Menzies" (or one of its many period spelling variants.)

Elsa Saxenkammer. Name and device. Purpure, on a pale doubly endorsed argent three ducks naiant purpure.

Marguerite du Royon and Brian FitzWilliam of Glastonbury. Joint badge. (Fieldless) On a tower azure a fleur-de-lys Or.

The following Western submission was returned on the February LoAR:

Geoffrey Scott. Badge. (Fieldless) On a heart purpure, a compass star Or.

Precedent holds that a heart is a shape used for armorial display (because of the heart-shaped escutcheons found in period): "While blazoned on the LoI as (Fieldless) On a heart gules, a hare salient contourny argent., since a heart is considered standard shape for armorial display, the submission is considered as Gules, a hare salient contourny argent. As such it conflicts with..." (LoAR of May 1998, p. 26).

This submission has a similar problem. In this case, the armory appears to be a display of Purpure, a compass star Or. This conflicts with a large number of pieces of armory, including (but not limited to) Paul of Sunriver, Azure, a compass star Or, (one CD for changing the field), Constans Erikson, Purpure, a compass star within a bordure embattled Or, (one CD for removing the bordure), and the important non-SCA flag of Macedonia, Gules, a sun Or, (one CD for changing the field, nothing for the difference between a compass star and a sun).

The conflicts are not the only problem with this armory. The fact that this fieldless armory does not appear to be a charged charge, but appears to be an independent display of a different piece of armory (because the heart is a shield shape), is in itself a reason for return. Per the LoAR of April 2002 (which upheld a significant number of prior precedents), "Note ... our long-standing policy about such 'shield shape' charges used in fieldless badges if the tincture is not plain (thus, divided or with a field treatment), or if the charge is itself charged. Such armory will continue to be returned for the appearance of an independent form of armorial display."

In Service,

Eilis O'Boirne

SUBMISSONS – 6 June xxxviii (2004)


Christopher Starling     (Cloondara)     New Name; see Returns for device
Christopher appears in this spelling on a list of fighters present at Agincourt in 1415 – one Christopher Bosvyle is on the list found at http://www.familychronicle.com/agin_ae.htm. Withycombe (p.65-66) cites Christopherus as appearing in the 1201 and 1220 Curia Regis Rolls. John Starling appears on the Lincolnshire Lay Subsidy Roll of 1332 found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/BynS2.html; several people surnamed Starling appear in the list of office-holders in East Anglian boroughs between 1272-1460 found at http://www.trytel.com/~tristan/towns/mappl_2b.html. He wishes an authentic name for 1300-1400’s England.

Etain ingen an Aba     (Esfenn)     New Name and Device

Vert, a chalice within an annulet between three crescents argent.

She will not accept major changes; she wishes a name meaning “daughter of the abbot”; she wishes a name authentic to 1000-1200.

Etain is from http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Etain.shtml. Mac an Aba appears as the Gaelic form of MacNab in Black, p. 547, as meaning ‘son of the abbot’. We do not have a dated citation for this spelling. The structure of the name is from http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/simplescotgaelicnames12.shtml.

Gareth the Faithful     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Per pale azure and vert, a dragon statant to sinister, on a chief argent, a rapier reversed gules.
Gareth is on p.125-126 of Withycombe. It is stated to be Arthurian, but was given to a child baptized in Wigan in 1593. Faithful is dated in the OED as used in 1300 to describe persons full of faith, “Faithful Abraham”. He will accept the alternate Gareth Faythe, but we were not able to document that spelling.

Jillian Saint André     (Fendrake Marsh)     Name Registered 3/92; Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per pale gules and Or, three suns in splendor within a bordure rayonny counterchanged.
Her name was registered through Ansteorra. Her previous submission, made in March 2004, was returned for redrawing.

Mari Alexander     (Fettburg)     Name Registered 6/03; New Badge

Sable, four lozenges in cross Or.

Meadhbh inghean mhic Fhirléighinn     (Caer Darth)     Name Resubmission to Kingdom
This was submitted last month as Méabh nic Leinn. She wishes an authentic Irish Gaelic name.

Meadhbh is found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Meadhbh" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Meadhbh.shtml); Woulfe lists a surname mac an Fhirlé/ighinn, literally "son of the man of learning"; inghean mhic is a late form meaning "daughter of Mac-" (Quick and Easy Gaelic Bynames by Sharon L. Krossa at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/). The following full name would be registerable and authentic for late period Irish Gaelic: Meadhbh inghean mhic Fhirléighinn (meaning Meadhbh daughter of (a man surnamed) 'son of the man of learning').

Raven de Okewude     (Prov. Mists)     Change of Holding Name; Device Registered 12/03
Her device was registered to the holding name of Raven of the West because it was felt that her prior submitted name, Raven of Oakwood, was inadequately documented. The current submission is suggested in the LoAR:

Members of the College researched the elements of this name in an attempt to aid the submitter. Aryanhwy merch Catmael provided information supporting elements of this name:
[...] Reaney & Wilson do have Oakhurst as a header, with the forms <de Okhurste> 1283-4, <okhurst> 1395. Other headers are Oakham (<de Ocham> 1327, <de Ocham> 1327, <ockham> 1340-1450) and Oakley (<de Ocle> 1199, 1246, <de Okeley> 1327, <okelee> 1377, <okeleye> 1545). S.n. Birchwood are the forms <de Birchewude> 1177, <de Birchwde> 1204, <atte Birchwode> 1342. These examples would support a 12th to 14th century <de Okwude> or <de Ockwode>, in keeping with the time period of <raven>.

Tama Katerina Evstokh’eva     (Eskalya)     Resubmission of Name and Device to Kingdom

Argent, a natural seahorse vert and three chevronels braced azure.
The original submissions were made in November 2000 under the name Tamitsa Katerine Estokh’eva.

The submittor wishes an authentic Russian or mixed Slavic name with the surname meaning “daughter of Evstokhii”. Wickenden (359) gives Tam and Tamo, dated to 1071, as masculine Slavic names. Wickenden shows the addition of a final –a ending as a feminization of male names (such as Maruf to Marufa, dated to 1356, Marko to Marka, dated to 1088, Rostislav to Rostislava, dated to 1163, Luk to Luka dated to 1088, and Lev to Leva, dated to 1195). Katerina is a form of Ekaterina, dated to 1108 in Wickenden. Evstokhii also appears in Wickenden as a masculine given name dated to a martyr who died in the 4th Century. Wickenden states, for male patronymics “If the name ends in –ii or –yi, both vowels tend to drop out. They are replaced with a soft sign (‘) and the –ev ending (eg., Vasilii becomes Vasil’ev).” Wickenden goes on to state, for female patronymics, “In most cases, women used the same types of patronymics as men. However, their bynames had to agree with the gender of the subject, which, in Russian, means that they had to add an a on the end. . . Vasil’ev becomes Vasil’eva…”


Christopher Starling     (Cloondara)     New Device

Per bend sable and argent, a “wedge” argent.
The wedge is meant to represent a wood-splitting wedge. The isosceles triangle depicted on the emblazon is not in the usual shape of a wood-splitting wedge, nor has a wood-splitting wedge ever been registered by the College of Arms. The submittor send no documentation on the form of a wood-splitting wedge in period, and such documentation would be required for this wedge to be recognized as a new charge. If it were possible, we would simply register the device with a “triangle” instead of a “wedge”. However, this device is being returned because the only triangle regularly registered with the College of Heralds is an equilateral triangle, which the submitter states explicitly that he does not want. In addition, the exact orientation of the wedge as pointing toward the center of the device is important to the submittor, and that explicit positioning is not possible with heraldic language.

Victoria of Lynwood     (Wolfscairn)     New Name and Device

Per pale embattled argent and azure, in the dexter side a sprig of ash inverted vert and in sinister chief a mullet of four points argent.
Victoria is the submittor’s legal name, but she submits no proof of that. According to Withycombe, the name is said to occur in the Liverpool area in 1617-1702. Because Withycombe gives both dates, it appears to be a specific person’s lifetime, so it cannot be used to show that a person with the desired name was probably alive before 1600. Victoria can be registered to this submittor, but she must produce proof (driver’s license, etc.) that this is her legal name. The surname is cited as appearing on p.280 of Reaney as a header spelling under Lindwood.

The device is being returned for consultation about the style. The leaves are not an ash sprig; the mullet of four is drawn with extra rays interspersed, the embattled line is drawn with too many repeats, and the unbalanced design is not representative of medieval heraldry.

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