Minutes of the January, 2004 Herald's Meeting

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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 4 January xxxviii (2004)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 4 January 2004, at the Doubletree Hotel in San Jose. The meeting started at 10:20 am and ended at 12:10 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Gaius M.L. Auklandus, Vesper; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Marguerite de Royon, Greencloak; Johanna Ludwiger von Hertzbergk, Gonfanon; Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassone, Sable Swan; Jena Whitehart, Blue Heron Pursuivant; Teleri Tawel, Pursuivant for Crosston and Exchequer for the College; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, Kiriana Michaelson, and Harold von Rhinefelden, Pursuivants at Large; Edith de Laufare, Emma FitzWilliam, Alison Gray of Owlwood, Aelia Apollina, Megan nic Alister of Thornwood, Danae FitzRoberts, Vigdis Vestfirzka, Moira O’Connor, Mariana Silversea, and Gracye of Guthrie, cornets and visitors; and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: February 8, March 7, April 11, May 9, and June 6. The dates for the meetings in the second half of 2004 will be set at the February meeting – bring your calendars! The March meeting will be held in Sacramento, at the Rancho Cordova Library – see directions below. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O’Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@mailsrv.dis.org. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

Since there was no interest expressed in voice instruction at the monthly meetings, it is being discontinued as a regular feature. If interest is expressed in the future, it will probably be offered again.


HERALDS’ COLLEGIUM: The Spring Heralds' Collegium will be held on Saturday March 6 in the conference room of the Colonial Heights Library at 4799 Stockton Blvd in Sacramento. The Spring Collegium focuses on the Voice Arts (Field and Court Heraldry) in preparation for the coming tourney season. The College of Heralds encourages all who have an interest in either polishing existing skills or have an interest in learning how to work as a voice herald to come join us. There is no site fee for this event. The site will open at 9:30 and close at 5:00. The class schedule is as follows:

10 -- 11        Voice Lessons and Duty Heraldry
11 -- 12        How lists are run/coordinating with the List Mistress
12 -- 1        Lunch
1 -- 3        Field class and practice
3 -- 5        Court class and Practice

There will be a pot-luck luncheon for those who wish to participate – a kitchen and refrigerator are available.

Directions to the Colonial Heights Library:

From points north, east, and west of the I-80/CA-99/US-50 interchange in Sacramento:
Take your best route to the I-80/CA-99/US-50 interchange on the east side of downtown Sacramento. Take CA-99 south, toward Fresno. Take the Fruitridge Road exit, heading east (over the freeway). Go approximately 1.3 miles to Stockton Blvd. Turn left onto Stockton. Go 0.5 miles, the site will be on your right.

From points south on CA-99:
Take your best route to the Fruitridge Road exit on CA-99. Turn right onto Fruitridge Road. Go approximately 1.3 miles to Stockton Blvd. Turn left onto Stockton. Go 0.5 miles, the site will be on your right.

The Heralds’ Meeting on Sunday March 7 will be in the conference room at the Rancho Cordova Library at 9845 Folsom Blvd in Rancho Cordova. The meeting will begin at 10:30 sharp. If you are bringing in submissions, please call in advance so the file can be brought. No walk-in submissions will be processed unless we have been informed that they are coming.

Directions to the Rancho Cordova Library:

Take your best route to the intersection of Highway 50 and Bradshaw Road on Rancho Cordova (east side of Sacramento). Exit at Bradshaw and turn north (left if you were eastbound on 50, right if you were westbound). Go to Folsom Blvd. and turn right. At the first stoplight – Horn Road - turn left. The library will be on your right, on the corner. Park, and go around to the Folsom Blvd. side of the building, to the back entrance (look for signs).

There are several fast-food places nearby, plus an English-style pub (Rascal’s) across the street. There is also a Starbuck’s on Bradshaw Road south of the freeway at Old Placerville Road (about 2 miles from the freeway), behind the IHOP.

The site autocrat for both days is Alison Gray of Owlwood (916-366-5662, ladyofowlwood@yahoo.com). The autocrat is Gaius M.L. Auklandus – see Vesper in the Regnum for contact details.

The Fall Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for November 20, with the meeting on November 21.


SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

Cynaguan commenting meetings are starting up in Golden Rivers at the home of Antonio Giordano da Sicilia. The schedule is the 2nd and 4th Mondays of each month, 6:30 - 9:30 pm.  (1024 42nd Street; house is at the intersection of 42nd and J Streets; third house from the SW corner -- on the west side of the street). For additional information, contact the Sable Swan Herald.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The latest edition of the Armorial and Ordinary, along with updates for the previous editions, are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoAR for October (commenting on our June submissions) has not been published. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

In Service,

Eilis O'Boirne

SUBMISSONS – 4 January xxxviii (2004)


Gavin MacRobert     (Vinhold)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Or, on a chief triangular gules, a hawk close argent.
His previous submission, under the name Gavin Paidrean Fail, was returned in September 2003. The name needed documentation; the device had to be redrawn. This submission was made under the name Gavin MacRoberts.

Gavin is found on p.127 of Withycombe at Gawain and is dated to 1604. MacRoberts is not documentable; MacRobert is the header spelling on p.562 of Black, dated to 1543 in the spelling M’Robert.

Giana Vettoria Colonna     (Golden Rivers)     New Name
Giana was found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/perguia/pergugiaFemAlpha.html; Vettoria was found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/castato/#alpha. Information of the Colonna family, which produced several Popes, is at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04125c.htm (the Catholic encyclopedia site) and the structure of the name is documented at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/. The submitter wishes an authentic 12th-14th century Italian name, and will not accept major changes.

Joan the Harper     (Vinhold)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per pale vert and purpure, on a chief indented argent, three harps vert.
Her previous submission, in November 2003, was returned because a name was not included. Reaney and Wilson gives Richard le Fitz Joan dated 1327 at John (p.256); Reginald le Harper is dated to 1275 at Harper (p.218). She wishes a name authentic for 12th century England.

We will advise the submitter that the indented chief should be drawn more boldly.

Mikha’il al-Tayyib ibn Khalid ibn Ahmad al-Gharnatii     (Golden Rivers)     New Name
The names were taken from http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm, and are properly constructed to mean Michael the Good, son of Khalid, son of Ahmad of Granada. The name al-Gharnata is the original name for Granada (http://www.andalucia.com/cities/granada/history.htm). The submittor will not accept major changes, and wants a name authentic for 12th-14th century Andalusia.

Moira O’Connor     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Per pale vert and sable, two pegasi combatant argent.
Moira is on Laurel’s list of SCA-compatible names. O’Connor is on p.49 of McLysaght’s Guide to Irish Surnames.

Oertha, Principality of     (West)     Name Registered 4/82; New Badge

(Fieldless) A compass star elongated to base quarterly azure and argent.

Ragnsteinn frá Andréssmýri     (Ravensfjord)     New Name and Device

Gules, two battleaxes in saltire Or hafted of wood proper, a chief wavy checky Or and azure.
Ragnsteinn is a constructed Norse given name. The most common name using the first element, Ragn-, is Ragnarr (Bassi p.14). The second element, -steinn, is found in many names in Bassi. Some examples, all found on p.10, are Geirsteinn, Grásteinn, Gunnsteinn, and Halfrsteinn. The Norse connective frá means from. Andréssmýri is a constructed byname meaning Andrew’s Moor. Bassi gives Andreas on p.7; Snorri Sturluson’s Heimskringla gives Ingibjörg dóttr Andréss prests Brúnssonar (Ingibjörg, daughter of Andreas Brunsson the priest), which shows Andréss as the proper genitive. The Old Norse word mýrr means moor (Zoëga, A Concise Dictionary of Old Icelandic); it shows up in the Landnámabók combined with personal names to form locatives. An example is found in chapter 73, in the name Sokka á Breiðamýri. Copious documentation will be provided to Laurel. The submitter wishes a name authentic to the 10th-11th century.

William Alexander MacDougall     (Southern Shores)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per pale argent and sable, two chevronels counterchanged and in canton a thistle proper.
The original submission, under the same name, was made in September 1999. It was returned because it was not on the correct forms. The device submitted at that time was very different.

William and Alexander are common English names. William is documented in Withycombe on p.293-294, although this spelling is not dated. Alexander is on p.13, dated in this spelling to 1189. MacDougall is the header spelling on p.487 of Black.

In the original art, the “ball” of the thistle is purpure; it would correctly be colored vert. We have corrected the problem and will advise the submittor of the correct coloration.


Ragnsteinn frá Andréssmýri     (Ravensfjord)     New Badge Returned

Per fess azure and gules, a compass star throughout Or.
The badge is too similar to the device registered to Paul of Sunriver: Azure, a compass star Or.

Timas Propugnator Marcus     (Rivenoak)     Name and Device Registered 7/91; New Device Submission Returned

Per pale vert and sable, a gargoyle sejant affronty argent.
The submittor does not indicate whether he wishes this to be a change to his already-registered device. The gargoyle is not a defined charge, and is not registerable, although a winged demon affronty may give a similar appearance. There is a probable conflict with Chabi of Burkhan Khaldun: Per bend sinister sable and vert, a reremouse argent.

Timas Propugnator Marcus     (Rivenoak)     Name and Device Registered 7/91; New Badge Submission Returned

Per pale vert and sable, a gargoyle sejant affronty argent.
This is identical to the device submitted above – and, as such, is not registerable. There must be some difference between a device and a badge.

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