Minutes of the March, 2003 Herald's Meeting

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It is the beginning of the tourney season. Please encourage new heralds and people who think they might want to be heralds to turn out for the events. Training will be provided.

Mary is walking through the woods and comes across this frog whose leg was caught under a rock. The frog tells Mary that if she frees him he will grant her three wishes. She agrees and frees the frog. The grateful frog tells her that he will now grant her three wishes, but tells her that there is a catch. Any wish she makes, her husband will get the same wish but a hundred fold. Mary agrees. For her first wish, she asks to be the most beautiful woman in the world. The frog warns her that this wish will make her husband into an Adonis and that women will flock to him. Mary says that she isn’t worried as she will be the most beautiful woman and he will only have eyes for her. The frog grants her wish. For her second wish, Mary asks to be the richest woman in the world. Again, the frog grants it. Now, the frog asks what Mary’s third wish will be? Mary smiles………
“I’d like a mild heart attack.”

MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 9 March xxxvii (2003)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 9 March 2003, at the home of Antonio Giordano da Sicilia. The meeting started at 12:00 noon and ended at 1:30 P.M. In attendance at this meeting were: Gaius M.L. Auklandus, Vesper; Berengaria de Montfort de Carcassone, Sable Swan; Marguerite du Royon, Seawolf; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Teleri Tawel, Pursuivant for Crosston; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for St. Catherine, Anastacia Grindstead of RavenOak, Acting Glora Fjord Pursuivant; Ghislaine d’Auxerre, Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilyn Pursuivants at Large; Neassa ingen Gilla Chriost mhic Cathasiagh , Catherine de Gray, and Antonio Giordano da Sicilia, PEs at Large; Annakah of Scammond on Grove, Edith de Laufare and Emma FitzWilliam, Moira O’Connor, cornets; Amelye van Deventer, Megen Winterford, Alvar Pacheco de Cadiz, visitors; and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins.

The College staff, and especially Matins, would like to thank Antonio for hosting the meeting (and the revel/court practicum the night before).

The upcoming meetings are: April 13, May 18, June 1 (changed from the previously announced June 8), July 20, September 7, October 19, and November 16. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O’Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon. There is no meeting scheduled for August or December 2003.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, names@synergy.transbay.net. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

Since there was no interest expressed in voice instruction at the monthly meetings, it is being discontinued as a regular feature. If interest is expressed in the future, it will probably be offered again.

HERALDS’ COLLEGIUM: The Spring Heralds' Collegium was a tremendous success…

The Fall Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for November 15, the day before the November meeting – it will focus on book heraldry and the mechanics of running a court. It will probably be held in the Mists.

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Until the end of June, submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The latest edition of the Armorial and Ordinary, along with updates for the previous editions, are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoAR for December has been published. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

The acceptances for the West from the Laurel December meeting were as follows:

Athelas of the Knife. Device reblazon. Counter-ermine, two unicorns combattant Or armed gules and in chief a Saracen's head cabossed proper turbaned argent.

The previous blazon, Ermines, two unicorns combattant Or, crined, orbed, langued and unguled gules, and in chief a Saracen's head proper, implied that the unicorns were maned gules and had Or horns. However, the unicorns have red horns and hooves and an Or mane. The previous blazon also used the discouraged blazon term ermines for what we currently term counter-ermine. The previous blazon did not describe the posture of the Saracen's head: as it is not clear whether a Saracen's head is affronty or in profile by default, we have blazoned it explicitly. Lastly, the previous blazon did not specify the turban on the Saracen's head.

Colin MacLear. Badge. Argent, two sea-horses respectant azure.

Elspeth the Semstress of Dunkeld. Device change. Bendy sinister of six azure and argent, in bend six roses alternately argent and gules barbed and seeded proper.

The armory forms used in this submission have been changed so that the check box giving the option to retain the previous device as a badge is not present. This sort of form modification should be discouraged. Since the submitter did not indicate that her device should be retained as a badge, her previous device, Or, two needles in saltire sable between flaunches purpure, is released by Society default.

Erich der Helmschmied. Name.

Grímr Eiríksson. Name and device. Sable, on a pale cotised Or three anchors sable.

Please advise the submitter to draw the cotises somewhat larger and with more distance from the pale.

Jean de Leedes. Name.

Submitted as Jean d'Esledes, the LoI stated that the submitter requested "an authentic French/Burgundian name meaning 'John of Leeds' accurate for the Hundred Year War time period". The time period of the Hundred Years War begins in the early/mid 14th C and ends in the early 15th C. Esledes was documented as dating to the Domesday Book (which means either 1066 or 1086) in Ekwall (p. 293 s.n. Leeds). Presumably, the form Esledes is, therefore, Old English or Latin. Regardless, combining it with the French d' violates RfS III.1.a, which requires linguistic consistency in a name phrase. This form is also around 250-350 years too early for the submitter's requested time period. Reaney & Wilson (p. 275 s.n. Leeds) dates Hugh de Leedes to 1285. We have changed the byname to this form to partially meet the submitter's request for authenticity. As we were unable to find a French form of the byname, we were unable to make this name completely authentic for the submitter's requested culture.

Magge Nettlewood. Name and device. Per bend sinister argent and azure, a bat-winged frog segreant to sinister vert maintaining an open scroll argent.

Margery Garret. Name.

Rose of Edgewood Castle. Name and device. Per bend sinister purpure and argent, two roses counterchanged.

Sarah Wydville. Name.

There were no Western returns in December!!!

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 9 March xxxvii (2003)


Agnarr Thorvaldsson     Silver Desert     Name Registered 4/02, New Device

Per pale azure and sable, two bearded axes in saltire surmounted by an arrow inverted Or.

Dauid ap Morgant Dinefwr     Teufelberg     New Name and Device

Quarterly Or and sable, two griffins gules.
The name is documented from St. Gabriel’s Report #2616. Dauid is extremely common in both Welsh-language and Anglo-Latin-language documents from the submittor’s chosen space/time. The name is spelled Dauid in Welsh-language contexts, and David in Anglo-Latin ones. Morgant was also found within the desired period, though it was always relatively uncommon. It is most often spelled Morgant in Welsh-language documents, and Morgan in Anglo-Latin ones. There are multiple mentions of Dinefwr in Welsh-language documents of the period. The submittor’s preferred spelling is found in the 14th century, but several other spellings were also used. While surnames that identified a man by his place of residence are rare in Welsh contexts, there are multiple examples of the desired format, such as Jem ap Mad Tegenyll, Kyn ap Jem Kneivio, and Jem ap Jem Bodfeurig. A full copy of the report will be sent to Laurel.

We believe the device to be clear of the device registered to Maurya Etain Sableswan (10/98) Quarterly argent and sable, in bend two winged natural tigers rampant gules marked and winged sable. There is a difference for the change to half of the field, another for the change in type of the charges, and another for a change in color of half of each charge since the wings on Maurya’s tigers are black.

Jean de Leedes     (Mountains Gate)     Name Registered 12/02; Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Azure, a wolfhound rampant argent, a chief embattled ermine.
His previous submission was returned 10/02 for redrawing. This submission has corrected the previous concerns.

Megen Winterford     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Azure, crusily fleury, a saltire engrailed argent.
The name was originally submitted as Wintford but we could not find any supporting documentation. Therefore we have gone with her allowed alternate of Winterford. The name Megen first appears in 16th century records. It is a Welsh name, probably a pet form of Margaret derived from the much older English pet form Megge plus the common Welsh feminine diminutive ending -en. It is recorded in 1547 as Megen (Reference: Wyllyam Salesbury, A Dictionary in Englyshe and Welshe (London, John Waley, 1547). This information is taken from the St. Gabriel “Problem Names” report on Megan. Inquisitions postmortem (6th Henry IV No.77 and 50th Edward III No. 20) listed the manors of Hunningham (Warwickshire), Dogepole, Franketon, Isabell Castell (Shropshire), Kidderminster, Witley, Timberhough, Stanford, Estham, Purshull, Winterford, Elmbridge, Salwarpe, Sapey Richard, Upthorpe, Aldermaston, Cooksey, Caldwell, Orleton, Overton, Netherton, "Bastwoodstockton", Sutton Sturmy, Parchey in Kidderminster, Harpeley, Purshull (Worcestershire) and "Wich viginta et una bullar plumboz aquae salsae et una salina" and "Wicha bull' septam plumbae aquae salsae", (twenty one lead boileries for brine and a saltspring & 7 lead boileries for brine in Droitwich). (Reference: http://www.pillagoda.freewire.co.uk/WYCH.htm)

Robin of the Rosewood     (Crosston)     New Name and Device

Purpure, a rose argent barbed and seeded proper, on a chief invected argent, three hearts gules.
The given name is found on p.255 of Withycombe under the heading Robert. This spelling is dated to 1200. Reaney’s DBS gives several surnames in “Rose…” on p.383 – Roseland is dated to 1466 and Rosemound to 1356. Wood is on p.499 of DBS as an independent surname. Roseland taken with Woodland shows that Cornish and Old English can be used at least occasionally interchangeably, and Marchwood meaning “wood where smallage (wild celery ) grows” shows that “wood” can be a final element. A different, but just as arguable approach, takes Rose as a family name as in Rosedale. Therefore, Leebotwood ,”wood of a man called Botta”, shows that Rosewood is an acceptable construct. We note that the sound is most important to the submitter.

Uther Schiemann der Hunt     (Prov. Mists)     Name Submitted 2/03; Badge Resubmission to Kingdom

Gules, a demi-sun between the arms of a capital lambda Or, a bordure argent.
Last month’s submission, without the bordure, was too similar to a registered device.

Daniel of Ettrick     Thistletorr     New Name and Device

Or, a sinister gauntlet clenched sable.
He will not accept major or minor changes, and wants a name authentic for 12th c Scotland. Daniel is his mundane name and Ettrick is registered to his father. Daniel is found in Withycombe on pg. 79. It is dated with this spelling to 1189. Ettrick is not clearly found or dated in any of our resources. We are requesting a copy of the submitter’s birth certificate so we can determine the whether he is eligible to invoke the grandfather cause.

The submitter blazons this as a gauntlet; however, we note that it emblazon is missing significant interior detail that would clearly identify it as a gauntlet, such as rivets and articulated plates. This device is too similar to the badge for the Children’s Office of Ansteorra (12/99): Or, semy of hands sable. There is one difference for a change in number but nothing for the posture of the hand. We also cite the arms of Aleksandr Ruslamodich Yevsha (3/01): Per pale gules and argent, a sinister hand apaumy couped sable. There is one difference for the change to the field but nothing for the posture of the hand.

William Bryant Robertson     Far West     New Device – No Name Submission or Prior Registration

Argent, a double headed eagle sable, a chief embattled and in base a mound azure.
Unfortunately, we require a society name to register armory within the SCA. This is one of the oldest of our rules. Therefore, this device must be returned for the lack of a Society name.

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