Minutes of the February, 2003 Herald's Meeting

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Beginning at March Crown, the heralds will no longer say "Lay on!" to begin fights in the Lists. The heralds will instead say "Pay heed to the marshals" and the marshals will begin the fights. The change was made by Vesper and the Earl Marshal because there is a concern that having the heralds begin the fights may be a safety issue.

MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 9 February xxxvii (2003)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 9 February 2003, at the home of Eilis O’Boirne. The meeting started at 12:15 pm and ended at 4:10 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Gaius M.L. Auklandus, Vesper; Berengaria de Montfort de Carcassone, Sable Swan; Marguerite du Royon, Seawolf; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Tangwystyl verch Morgant, Harpy; Ghislaine d’Auxerre, Pursuivants at Large; Wilhelm von Homburg, Maxen ap Morgan, PEs at Large; Neassa ingen Gilla Chriost mhic Cathasiagh, Antonio Giordano da Sicilia, Geoffrey le Dragon, Catherine de Gray, Anneke Grove of Scammonden and Emma FitzWilliam, Cornets; Moira O’Connor, Ze’ev ben Ami, visitors; Teleri Tawel, and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins.

The upcoming meetings are: March 9, April 13, May 18, June 1 (changed from the previously announced June 8), July 20, September 7, October 19, and November 16. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O’Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon. There is no meeting scheduled for August or December 2003.

Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up.

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, names@synergy.transbay.net. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

Since there was no interest expressed in voice instruction at the monthly meetings, it is being discontinued as a regular feature. If interest is expressed in the future, it will probably be offered again.

HERALDS’ COLLEGIUM: The Spring Heralds' Collegium will be held on Saturday March 8 in the conference room of the Sylvan Oaks Library on Auburn Blvd and Van Maren in Citrus Heights. The Spring Collegium focuses on the Voice Arts (Field and Court Heraldry) in preparation for the coming tourney season. The College of Heralds encourages all who have an interest in either polishing existing skills or have an interest in learning how to work as a voice herald to come join us. There is no site fee for this event. The site will open at 9:30 and close at 5:00. The class schedule is as follows:

10 – 11   Voice Lessons and Duty Heraldry
11 – 12   How lists are run/coordinating with the List Mistress
12 – 1   Lunch
1 – 3   Field class and practice
3 – 5   Court class and Practice

The autocrat is Mistress Anastacia Grindstead. She can be reached at anastacia@lanset.com or call before 9pm 916-728-1066. She will also be coordinating crash space.

Directions to Sylvan Oaks Library: (6700 Auburn Blvd Citrus Heights 95621) Take your best route to Sacramento to get to Interstate 80 (From the West be sure you are on 80 East/Reno) Take the Antelope Rd Exit. Turn East off the freeway and take the first right at the light for Garden Gate/Van Maren. Follow Van Maren to the light at Auburn Blvd and turn left. Look for a driveway on the right. Follow the parking lot around to the Library.

The "After Collegium Revels" on Saturday night will be held at the Palazzo Giordano, (Baron Antonio's home; 1024 42nd Street, Sacramento, between J Street and Folsom Boulevard; (916) 451-3033). Maps will be available at the Collegium. The Revel will begin at 8pm. The March Heralds' Meeting will also be held at Baron Antonio's home on Sunday, March 9th beginning at noon.

The Fall Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for November 15, the day before the November meeting – it will focus on book heraldry and the mechanics of running a court. It will probably be held in the Mists.

SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Until the end of June, submission fees are $8 per name, $8 per device, $8 per badge – and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $15 instead of $16. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the College address.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds’ website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

The latest edition of the Armorial and Ordinary, along with updates for the previous editions, are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.

The LoARs for October and November have been published. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

The acceptances for the West from the Laurel October meeting were as follows:

Brendan McNeill O'Neill. Name and device. Vert, three escutcheons Or.

Nice device!

Bubba of the Southern Shores. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent scaly, a bordure sable. Submitted under the name Bubba Ianson of the Caves of Smoo.

Elyas of Wulfereslowe. Name and device. Per chevron azure and Or, three wolves statant counterchanged.

Please advise the submitter to draw the per chevron division a bit higher on the field.
Gisela de Kalais. Name and device. Per bend sinister vert and pean, a bend sinister and in chief a fleur-de-lys Or.
Submitted as Gisela de Calais, the submitter requested authenticity for 8th to 10th C Carolingia. No documentation was provided for Calais in the LoI except the statement "Calais is a city on the north coast of France", which provides no evidence that Calais was the name of a location in period. Dauzat & Rostaing (p. 131 s.n. Calais) dates the form Kalais to 1181. As this was the earliest citation found for this placename, we have changed the byname to use this form to partially meet the submitter's request for authenticity.

Katira al-Maghrebiyya. Name change from Kay the Innocent of Bel Anjou.

Her previous name, Kay the Innocent of Bel Anjou, is released.

West, Kingdom of the. Transfer of heraldic titles to Lochac, Kingdom of.

Aquarius Pursuivant; Baryl Pursuivant; Black Wing Pursuivant; Canon Pursuivant; Cinquefoil Pursuivant; Crux Australis Herald; Dromond Pursuivant; Frette Rouge Pursuivant; Goutte d'Eau Pursuivant; Hund Pursuivant; Mortar Pursuivant; Rocket Pursuivant

The return for the West from the Laurel October meeting were as follows:

Bubba Ianson of the Caves of Smoo. Name.

There are several issues with this name.

This name combines the Old English name Bubba with a name that is otherwise Scots.

Combining Old English and Scots in a single name is not registerable (see the ruling for Dunno Jamesson in the March 2002 LoAR for details).

Ian was ruled SCA compatible in April 1997. The name Ian is a modern name found in Scots (a language closely related to English). Similar constructions appeared in Scots in period as shown in Black (p. 228 s.n. Duncanson, p. 260 s.n. Ferguson, p. 577 s.n. Malcolmson). Given these examples, Ianson is registerable, though it carries a weirdness for use of an SCA compatible element.

The Caves of Smoo was documented from Johnston (s.n. Smoo). However, since Johnston gives no dated examples of this name, we do not know if this name was used for these caves in period. Were such documentation found, there is an additional problem with this byname. No evidence was provided and none was found that a byname formed from the name of this location would take the form of the Caves of Smoo rather than of Smoo. These issues make this byname unregisterable.

His armory has been registered under the holding name Bubba of the Southern Shores.

There were no Western submissions in the November Laurel letter.

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 9 February xxxvii (2003)


Amelye van Deventer     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Per bend vert and azure, in bend sinister an increscent and a decrescent Or.

Amelye is documented by the Academy of St. Gabriel as a Dutch form of Amalia and is dated to 1584-1585. Deventer is a place in the Low Countries that has been in existence since at least the 9th Century where it is recorded in Latin as Dauentre or Deuentre. A Jacobus van Deventer died in 1575. This information is from the Saint Gabriel report #2517. The submittor wants a name authentic for the Low Countries and the years 1550-1600.

Anneke Grove of Scammonden     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Azure, three trees and on a chief argent three lozenges azure.

Anneke is found in SMP under the heading Anneke, dated in that spelling to 1465. It is also found as a header spelling in Bahlow, under the heading Annen, as the Northern German variant of the personal name Anno. Grove is found in RDBS, p. 208 under the heading Grove, citing William Grove (1327). Scammonden is found in Ekwall under the heading of the same spelling on p.406. If necessary, she will accept the alternate dated spelling Scambanden, also found in Ekwall under the heading Scammonden and dated to 1275. We feel that this German and English name combination is acceptable.

Her first device choice, Azure, three trees argent, a chief lozengy argent and azure, conflicts with the badge of Michael van de Bogaart, (1/73) Azure, three trees couped argent. This is her first alternate.

Eric Van Roosebeke     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Sable, a crescent and a chief embattled argent.

Eric is the submitter’s legal first name. It is also found on p.234 of Searle in this spelling. Roosebeke is a location in Flanders known for the "Battle of Roosebeke" in the 14th century. The submittor has provided us with several citations from various websites to support his desired spelling, but we were not able to find it in any of our standard references. The modern spelling is Roosbeek, and Rosebeke is dated to the 13th c. in Debrabandere Kortrijkse Naamkunde, p.158. He will accept no changes.

His first device design, Sable, a crescent argent, is too similar to the device of Morimoto Koryu (6/76), Sable, a crescent surmounted by a ken blade argent, with only one difference for the addition of the blade. There is also conflict with the device of Cadwywn ap Cheshire (3/75) Sable, within a crescent argent a crescent embattled gules, with only one difference for the addition of the second inner crescent. Finally, it is too similar to the device of Sean Macarailt of Sandyhume (1/73), Sable, an increscent argent.

Eld-hjörtr Eriksson     (Prov. Mists)     New Name and Badge

Argent, a mastless drakkar, a chief and a base engrailed sable.

The submitter’s originally submitted name, Erik Eld-hjörtr is not supportable, so we are going with his second choice. Hjörtr is found on p.11 of Bassi; the byname Eldr is found in the Landnámábok, and Eld- would be the prefix form. Erik is found on p.9 of Bassi; the patronymic is formed normally. He wishes a Viking name from the period of the Rus expansion.

Fridha Mjoksiglanda     (Prov. Mists)     New Name

Fridha is the old Swedish for Frida and is found on the website of Old Norse Women’s Names and Their Meanings (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/). Mjoksiglanda is the feminine form of Mjoksigland,i meaning "far traveled". It is found on Aryanhwy merch Catmael’s website where she cites Geirr Bassi. The submittor wants a Viking-Rus name authentic for 900-1000.

Genevieve de Calais     (Darkwood)     Name Registered 9/02; Device Resubmission

Ermine, on a chevron engrailed between three Maltese crosses gules, a rose Or.

The original submission was returned by Laurel as it was felt that the rose was too orange. This was a fault of the Western College as we did the colouring. A new drawing has been provided.

Ghislaine d’Auxerre     (Vinhold)     Name Registered 04/92 and Device Registered 12/92 via Caid, Badge Resubmission to Laurel

(Fieldless) A pantheon’s head erased azure semy of compass stars argent gorged of a baronial coronet Or.

The prior submission was through Caid. The previous submission, with pearls and trefoils alternating on the coronet, was returned by Laurel because the coronet was considered similar to a period duchy coronet. This redraw corrects the problem.

Jean-Guillaume Duplessis     (Prov. Mists)     New Name and Device

Per saltire sable and Or, an eagle and issuant from base a demisun, a bordure counterchanged.

Jean is found on pg. 343 of Dauzat and Guillaume is on pg. 314 of Dauzat. Duplessis is found in Dauzat on pg. 488 under the heading Plessis. The submitted spelling, which we could not support, was Guillome, but the submittor will accept minor changes.

Mari Alexander     (Fettburg)      Name Registered 09/92 and Device Registered 09/01; Name Resubmission to Laurel

Her currently registered name is Mari Greensleeves, which she wishes released. If this name is not registered, she still wishes that the name Mari Greensleeves be released, and a holding name be assigned. She has changed her modern name to Mari N(icola) Joy – copies of her Social Security card and divorce decree will be sent to Laurel.

Mists, Principality of     (Mists)     Name Registered 05/80; Device Registered 11/82; New Badge

Argent, a seawolf rampant vert, a bordure engrailed azure.

Padráig Donn McMathúna     (Golden Rivers)     Name and Device Registered 08/93;New Badge

(Fieldless) An oak tree eradicated within and conjoined to an annulet argent.

Uther Schiemann der Hunt     (Prov. Mists)     Name Resubmission to Kingdom, New Device

Gules, a cross gurgity Or within a serpent in annulo argent.

His previous submission was made in August 1992 under the name Claival von der Löwe. This is a complete redesign of the name.

Uther is British/Arthurian. It was registered several times recently, including twice in '01. It was registered in '99 with a German surname. In a Welsh context, we find Uthar ap Elider B&Y 1315. Bromwich "The Welsh Triads" also notes a couple of examples. Schiemann is German; Brechenmacher (under Schi(e)man(n)) indicates two independent origins for this name: an east German variant of Simon (e.g. Caspar Schieman 1644); and a northwest German occupation "steer-man, pilot" (no citations given). The entry in Brechenmacher for Hun(d)t is fairly extensive and lists four separate origins: 1. a given name (apparently derived from the root for "hundred"?); 2. an east-French/west-German occupation/rank byname indicating an "Unter-Richter"; 3. a byname involving the meaning "dog", rarely found in the earliest records (there follows a dated list of compounds with <-hund> for different breeds/types of dogs, but it isn't clear that the citations are for bynames); 4. other (lengthy discussion of why it probably isn't from a house-name). While, in general, animal bynames don't seem to occur with a definite article (or, at least, not just a definite article -- in bynames derived from house-names, a prepositional phrase including the definite article is the norm), we did find Cuonrat Blez der Adeler 1290 under "Adler" and Catharina dicta die alte Katz 1355 (a very unusual construction!) under "Katz". He will not allow major changes, but will accept either Uther der Hunt or Uther Schiemann.

West, Kingdom of      (West)     Name and Device Registered 1/73, Two New Heraldic Titles

Ferret Pursuivant
Gonfanon Pursuivant
These titles were previously registered to the West and released in December ’93. We now wish to re-register them.

Yosef Ze’ev ben Ami      (St. Katherine, College of)      New Name and Device

Per pale azure and gules, a wolf’s head and in chief two gouttes argent.

Yosef is cited from a web site from Yeshiva University ( http://www.yucs.org/~jules/names/masc/yosef.html). Yosef haKohen is dated to 1171. Ze’ev is from Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 4, pg. 538; under the header Benjamin Ze’ev ben Mattathias of Arta who was a businessman from the early 16th century. A modern Hebrew dictionary gives Ze’ev as meaning "wolf". Ami is from Tanakh – The Holy Scriptures, the New JPS Translation According to the Traditional Hebrew Text, p.1495. It cites the passage from the Bible, Ezra 2:57 "the sons of Shephatiah, the sons of Hattil, the sons of Pochereth-hazzebain, the sons of Ami." Ammi is cited from a web site from Yeshiva University ( http://www.yucs.org/~jules/names/masc/yosef.html). It is noted as being from between the 6th and 11th century a.d. citing the example R. Abba ben Ammi. He will accept alternates Yosef Ze’ev ben Ammi, Joseph Ze’ev ben Ami, and Joseph Ze’ev ben Ammi.


Chiord’han Llywelyn     (Southern Shores)     New Name Returned

Chiord’han is claimed by the submittor to be a female name. She found it on a gravestone at a church in Wales, and submitted a letter from the pastor of the church stating that his records show that the person in question died in 1384. Harpy is of the belief that this is probably not a name but more likely an abbreviated phrase. She states that it is implausible as a 12th – 14th c. Welsh name. We will ask the submittor to provide additional context (like the entire text from the gravestone). The byname is an acceptable unmarked patronymic.

Eld-hjörtr Eriksson     (Prov. Mists)     New Device Returned

Per pale gules and sable, a drakkar under sail argent.

The submitter’s device is too similar to the device of Runa Ragnarsdottir (9/97), Sable, a drakkar argent. His proposed changes were "ordinary division" and "charges", which were not specific enough to apply. vert, a raven close sable and a mastless drakkar Or.

Fridha Mjoksiglanda     (Prov. Mists)     New Device Returned

Per bend Or and vert, a raven close sable and a mastless drakkar Or.

The drakkar is thoroughly unidentifiable and must be returned for redrawing. The design seems otherwise free of problems.

Gregory Blount     (Crosston)     Name Registered 02/98 and Device Registered 08/98 via Atlantia; New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) A card pique azure.

The badge conflicts with device of Thorbjorn Assa (1/92) Per pale argent and checky azure and argent, to dexter a card pique azure.

Uther Schiemann der Hunt     (Prov. Mists)     New Badge Returned

Gules, in pale a capital lambda and a demi-sun Or.

The badge conflicts with the device of Mar Arthursson (3/99), Gules, a chevron couped Or. There is one point for the addition of the demi-sun but no countable difference between the lambda and the couped chevron.

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