Minutes of the May, 2002 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 12 May 2002, at Mists Spring Investiture in Bort Meadows. The meeting started at 11-ish A.M. and ended at 1-ish P.M. In attendance at this meeting were: Mary Elizabeth Fairweather, Vesper; Berengaria de Montfort de Carcassone, Sable Swan; Magnus Zwerver, SeaWolf; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Gaius Auklandus, Greencloak; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Teleri Tawel, Pursuivant for Crosston; Maxen ap Morgan, PaL; Jehanne de Wodeford; Catherine Douglas of Northumbria; Antonio Giordano da Sicilia; Constanza de Mendoza; Christophe d'Avignon; Anahita bint 'abd al-Karim; Erasmus of Wolfshold; Aelf of Kings Crossing; Daria z Prahy; and Eilis O'Boirne, Matins.


The upcoming meetings are: June 9, July 21, September 8, October 20, and November 24. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon.


Starting with the June meeting, there will be instruction for voice heralds at the monthly heralds' meetings. The voice classes will be conducted by Gaius, the Greencloak Herald, and will start as soon as the announcements portion of the meeting is concluded. Pass the word to anyone interested in learning field and duty heraldry - the meetings aren't just for book heralds any more!

ANYONE WITH WALK-IN SUBMISSIONS SHOULD CONTACT MATINS IN ADVANCE. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location (which is the fancy way of saying that we haven't moved them yet…).

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an e-mail list, names@synergy.transbay.net. The Names list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

Please send all correspondence (submissions, queries, etc.) to the address at the top of this letter! Please do NOT send submissions to Vesper or to any other member of the College.


HERALDS' COLLEGIUM: The next Heralds' Collegium is scheduled for November 23, in Hercules. The meeting on the following day will be in Berkeley. This session will focus on the structure of the College and the submission process, book heraldry and conflict research, and court heraldry.

SUBMISSION FORMS: The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the appropriate links at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the above address. Current submission fees are $10 per name, $10 per device, $10 per badge. There is no fee for resubmission. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Matins at baroness_eilis@juno.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including West Kingdom submission forms, the Laurel home page, the on-line armorial and ordinary search and The Academy of St. Gabriel (a heraldic consultation service). Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at baroness_eilis@juno.com -- answers may take a few days.

KNOWN WORLD HERALDIC AND SCRIBAL ARTS SYMPOSIUM 2002: This event will be hosted by the Kingdom of Trimaris on June 21-23, 2002, at the Ramada Plaza Hotel & Inn Gateway in Kissimmee, Florida. Information is available at http://www.kwhs.org.


These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.


West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are now being published on the web, and are no longer available by subscription. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There are now both a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

Updates to the Armorial and Ordinary are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available in the United States by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.


The LoAR for January and February 2002 have been published. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

We have not received any Laurel letters since the last meeting.

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSIONS - 12 May xxxvii (2002)


Angus mac Nicail     (Champclair)     New Name

Angus appears on p.25 of Withycombe, but is not dated. The surname that was sent in was Mac Neacail, which appears on p.551 of Black at MacNichol as the normalized Gaelic spelling. The submittor wishes a name authentic for Celtic/Scottish language and culture, so we have changed the surname to the documentable spelling given above. This appears in the "1467 manuscript" (this is the official name of the manuscript -- it's listed in Black's sources), which is one of our richest sources for later period Scottish Gaelic forms of names. The spelling Angus also appears in this document.

The published source of the transcription of the "1467 manuscript" is: Skene, William F., "Genealogies of the Highland Clans, Extracted from Ancient Gaelic MSS.: 1. Gaelic MS. Written circa A.D. 1450, with a Translation," in Colectanea de Rebus Albanicis consisting of Original Papers and Documents Relating to the History of the Highlands and Islands of Scotland, edited by The Iona Club, pp. 50-62 & 357-360. Edinburgh: Thomas G. Stevenson, 1847. Our information was taken from an "internal use only" St. Gabriel site.

Elina of Beckenham     (Southern Shores)     Name Registered 08/91 (Trimaris); Device Resubmission to Laurel

Gules, a griffin seagreant queue-forché Or, perched on its dexter claw a raven displayed sable , maintaining in its sinister claw a rose Or slipped and leaved vert.

This is a resubmission to Laurel of a device most recently returned in December 2000. Elina has received permission to conflict with the devices cited as being too close at that time. This makes a total of six letters of permission to conflict, which may be a new record ... The current letters are from Dexter Golafre of Pembroke (Quarterly sable and gules, a griffin sergeant coward maintaining in its dexter talon a Celtic cross and in its sinister talon a sword inverted Or) and Gavin Flandre (Gules, a griffin sergeant checky argent and azure).

Genevieve de Calais     (Darkwood)     New Name and Device

Ermine, on a chevron engrailed between three Maltese crosses gules, a rose Or.

The place name was submitted as d'Calais, and was corrected to what is shown above. Genevieve is cited from the Paris Census of 1292 by Lord Colm Dubh. Withycombe, p.127, cites St. Geneviève, born in 422, as the patron saint of Paris. Calais is in France, and was known by that name in period. The submittor wants a name authentic for 14th century French.

Grania Buchanan     (Rivenoak)     New Name and Device

Sable, on a bend between two suns Or, three triquetras inverted palewise gules.

Grania is from O'Corrain & Maguire, p.114, spelled Grainné - this spelling is on p.138m of Withycombe and is undated. Buchanan is on p.111 of Black and is the header spelling. The submittor wants a Scottish name.

Ivar Hakonarson     (Cloondara)     Name Registered 8/91 (An Tir); New Change of Device

Barry azure and argent, two pike haurient gules.

His currently registered device of Azure, a chevron Or, in base a tower checky Or and gules, and on a chief Or, three apples gules is to be released.

Kateryn Arabella of Inverness     (Silver Desert)     New Name and Device

Purpure, on a fess cotised argent between three church bells Or, three lacy knots azure.

Kateryn is in Withycombe, p. 186-7 at Katherine, and is dated to 1456 in this spelling. Arabella is in Withycombe p.29-30 at Arabel(la) and is dated to 1255 in this spelling (wife of John de Montpyncon). Arabella should be acceptable as a metronymic surname on the model of Alison (Black p.18). Inverness is in Scotland; the Encyclopedia Britannica dated this spelling to the 12th c. It is also cited on p.377 of Black.

Her first choice for a device, Purpure, on a fess cotised argent between three church bells Or, three lacy knots azure, all within an orle Or, has a complexity count of 9 (four colors, five charges) and is not registerable for that reason. Her first alternate, dropping the orle, solves the problem.

Luzia Violante Bazán     (Prov. Mists)     New Name and Device

Per pale azure and argent, a tau cross within a bordure counterchanged.

The names are all taken from the Account Books of Isabel La Catolica, at the St. Gabriel website. She wants an authentic Spanish/Iberian name from the 14th-15th c. The two given names with a surname are probably registerable.

Her original submission of Per pale azure and argent, a tau cross counterchanged was too similar to the device registered to Katriona Silverswan: Per pale azure and argent, an anhk counterchanged. The first alternate is to add a bordure counterchanged, which clears the problem.

Mari Alexander     (Fettburg)     Name Appeal of Laurel Decision of 02/02; Device Registered 02/02

Her registered name is Mari Greensleaves.

We wish to appeal the return of the name Mari Alexander, which was returned on the LoAR of 01/02, p.20. The reason for return was given as:
     "The submitter's legal name is Mari Alexander [surname]. Therefore, this submission contains the submitter's first two names in the same order as in her legal name. A similar submission was recently returned:
The submission consists of the given names, in order, of the submitter. As this is one of the possible common use names, we have to return this submission for conflict against the submitter herself, protected under section III.A.9 of the Administrative Handbook. [Mary Amanda, 09/00, R-Artemisia]
     "Therefore, just as Mari [surname] would be conflict [sic] with her legal name, so the submitted Mari Alexander conflicts with her with her [sic] legal name."

The return is based on Section III.A.9 of the Administrative Handbook, Name Used by the Submitter Outside the Society, which states in relevant part:
"No name will be registered to a submitter if it is identical to a name used by the submitter for purposes of identification outside of a Society context. This includes legal names, common use names, trademarks and other items registered with mundane authorities that serve to identify an individual or group."

The return hinges on the meaning of the phrase common use names, which the current Pelican seems to interpret to mean "any subset of any of the elements of the submitter's full legal name". This interpretation is new with the current holder of the office, not having been seen in any returns before her tenure. We maintain that this is, in fact, a misinterpretation of the accepted meaning of the phrase.

The current standard for difference between a submitter's legal name and Society name was outlined in 1992:
     "It has long been one of the axioms of the Society's re-creation that our players' SCA names should differ from their mundane names. The purpose of the rule is to distance the SCA and mundane worlds, and it's considered almost as fundamental as the requirement for period garb at events. The rule is currently found in the Administrative Handbook, Protected Items -- I: Any name or armory used by the submitter outside the Society. [Now as III.A.9]."

Until the current Rules, the ban on mundane names was narrowly defined: anything that changed the spelling and pronunciation was sufficient difference from the mundane name. "The minimum change (the one regarded as a loophole by liberals and conservatives alike) is probably the addition or removal of a single syllable (e.g. John Smith to John the Smith)." [BoE, 14 April 85, p.16] However, under the current Rules, the same standard of conflict was applied to the mundane name as to any other protected name. This is a much broader ban, and requires a greater change from the mundane name.

Given the fundamental reason for the mundane name ban, we believe that our current standard is too strict. The Rules say that "no item will be registered to a submitter if it is identical to an item used by the submitter ... outside the Society." (our emphasis). This suggests that non-identity should suffice to distinguish the Society persona from the mundane. The situation isn't quite the same as for the other names we protect: the concept of "conflict" isn't apropos, there being no infringement involved, and in any case the submitter could always grant himself permission.

From a LoAR: "Henceforth, I shall apply the previous standard of non-identity: a significant change in spelling and pronunciation will clear a submitted name from the mundane name. In the present case, the addition of the preposition atte suffices to bring the name clear of the submitter's mundane name, Kenric Kite. [Kenrick atte Kyte, 11/92]"

Subsequent rulings have focused on whether changes less than a single syllable would clear a submitted name from the submitter's legal name: thus the submission of Valerie Le Roux was too close to Valerie La Rue (09/93), Mikhail Kazimir, to Michael Kazimir (11/93), David Kellahan, to David Callahan (11/97), and Geoffrey Montgomery, to Jeffrey Montgomery (04/00). But all of them considered submissions that used the submitter's legal surname. In no case was a name which omitted the legal surname considered too close to the Society name.

This is supported by the precedents discussing "use names" when considering name conflict:
     "Conflict with Patrick F. McManus, a well-known modern writer of humor. His name is apparently to recent to appear yet in any of our standard sources, but he is clearly well known enough warrant protection. (Even Lord Laurel who has read none of his works, is familiar with all of the titles mentioned by the commenters.) Lady Triton's statement that "there is no problem with conflict" because of the middle initial "F" is in error. We do protect against legal use names. In this specific case a legal name for the author is indeed Patrick McManus this is a conflict. [Patrick MacManus, 03/92]"
     "When considering conflict against an historical figure, we must consider all the names by which the figure is known; the removal of the middle name is thus usually insufficient difference. John Kennedy, for instance, would definitely conflict with John Fitzgerald Kennedy; Thomas Edison, with Thomas Alva Edison; and so on. [William Hayes, 01/93]"

In both these precedents, the "common use name" of the historical figure was considered to be the full legal name with the middle name deleted. Nobody has suggested, for instance, that a submission of John FitzGerald would conflict with John Fitzgerald Kennedy: the 35th President is not known to history solely by his given and middle names.

Similarly, the use of first and middle names alone do not constitute a "common use name" within the meaning of III.A.9: that is, the legal name as commonly used by 21st Century society. The fact that III.A.9 includes the common use name with trademarks, registered names ("doing business as"), and other legally recognized names, shows that the phrase common use name must likewise be legally recognized. None of the common uses of the submitter's legal name would be acceptable without her surname: she does not sign checks using the first and middle names alone, nor enter into contracts, nor accept registered mail, etc. The "common use name" in III.A.9, the name used "for purposes of identification" in modern society, most frequently includes the first name, sometimes employs the middle name, but overwhelmingly uses the surname. Any submission that omits the mundane surname cannot be considered the submitter's common use name.

Taken to its logical conclusion, Pelican's current policy would prohibit submitters from registering their role-playing game names, on-line chatroom names, childhood nicknames ("Hey, Red!"), or any other sobriquet by which the submitter might be known. We feel that Pelican's current policy is overzealous, attempting to prevent the submitter from using name elements to which she is, in fact, entitled under Rule for Submission II.4. While we acknowledge the need for distancing the Society name from the legal name, we feel the deletion of the legal surname accomplishes this.

We ask that the current policy be amended to reflect the commonly accepted meaning of "common use name", and that the name Mari Alexander be registered.

Mists, Principality of     (West, Prin. Mists)     Name Registered 05/80; Device Registered 11/82; New Order Names

Ordo Saltatoris Nebularum

The name means "Order of the Dancer of the Mists" in Latin.

Order of the Silver Muse

The name will be used for the Principality Arts Pentathalon winner.

The names for these orders do not follow the name patterns of any known medieval orders.

Rowan Buchanan     (Rivenoak)     New Name and Device

Or, a bend sinister bretessed sable between two thistles purpure.

Rowan is SCA-compatible, having been registered on a regular basis up to the most recent Armorial update in our possession. Buchanan is on p.111 of Black and is the header spelling. The submittor wants a Gaelic name. We considered the Gaelic Ruadhán, but that would not be compatible with the Scots surname.

Ulrich von Rothenburg     (Darkwood)     Change of Registered Name; Device Registered 03/94

His registered name is Morkar the Ruthless, registered 03/94 via Atlantia. If this name is registered, please release his current name.

Ulrich is from Medieval Given Names from Silesia by Talan Gwynek. Rothenberg is a famous German city on the Tauber river with the gorgeous surviving medieval city walls. The submittor wants an authentic 14th c German name.


Elyas of Wolfe Crossen     (Vinhold)     New Name and Device

Per chevron azure and Or, three wolves statant counterchanged.

Elyas in Withycombe p.98 dated to 1303 at Elijah. The submittor intends the surname to mean "of Wolf Crossing" in Middle English, but the name is not correctly formed. Since the submittor requests an authentic name for 12th-13th century England, this will be returned for consultation.

The device appears free of conflict.

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