Minutes of the March, 2002 Herald's Meeting

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The meeting was held on Sunday, 10 March 2002, at the home of Antonio Giordano da Sicilia. The meeting started at 12:00 noon and ended at 2 P.M. In attendance at this meeting were: Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, Harpy; Berengaria de Montfort de Carcassone, Sable Swan; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Krysta MacIntyre, Black Mark Pursuivant/Clerk; Teleri Tawel, Pursuivant for Crosston; Tamsin of the Raven Tresses, acting Peacock Pursuivant; Boncueur, PaL; Owen ap Morgan, PaL; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, PaL; Christian de Holacombe, PEaL; Ann McKionn; Wilhelm von Homburg; Juliana; and Eilis O'Boirne, Matins.

The College staff, and especially Matins, would like to thank Antonio for hosting the meeting (and the revel/court practicum the night before).


The upcoming meetings are: April 21, May 12, June 9, July 21, September 8, October 20, and November 24. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon.

NOTE: There is no meeting scheduled for August or December. We will not be meeting during those months.

ANYONE WITH WALK-IN SUBMISSIONS SHOULD CONTACT MATINS IN ADVANCE. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location (which is the fancy way of saying that we haven't moved them yet…).

Currently we are researching some of the name submissions through an e-mail list, names@synergy.transbay.net. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

Please send all correspondence (submissions, queries, etc.) to the address at the top of this letter! (Actually, see the Contact page and look for Matins Herald.) Please do NOT send submissions to Vesper or to any other member of the College.


HERALDS' COLLEGIUM: A Heralds' Collegium was held in the Golden Rivers area on March 9 and 10. On Saturday, about 30 people attended classes in blazon, basic conflict research and name research, court organization, and field heraldry (theory and practice, including a session on how to fake unfamiliar names). After a dinner at Fresh Choice, we adjourned to Antonio's for a revel and a really interesting court practicum - the Kingdom of the South now has a bardic tradition and an official kingdom beverage! (Those present will not be able to forget the Court of King Elvis and Queen FiFi, or the knighting of Beavis of Dalmatia - in fact, we suspect that they will have nightmares about that particular episode!!!) On Sunday, about 15 people attended the heraldry meeting and were able to put some of what they learned into practice. The next Heralds' Collegium will probably be held on November 23, with a meeting on November 24 - it will focus on the structure of the heralds' office at the Kingdom and Society levels, the submission process, more advanced book heraldry and name research, and court heraldry. Please mark this date on your calendars and plan to attend!

SUBMISSION FORMS: The submission forms are available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the appropriate links at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the above address. Current submission fees are $10 per name, $10 per device, $10 per badge. There is no fee for resubmission. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Matins at baroness_eilis@juno.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including West Kingdom submission forms, the Laurel home page, the on-line armorial and ordinary search and The Academy of St. Gabriel (a heraldic consultation service). Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at baroness_eilis@juno.com -- answers may take a few days.

KNOWN WORLD HERALDIC AND SCRIBAL ARTS SYMPOSIUM 2002: This event will be hosted by the Kingdom of Trimaris on June 21-23, 2002, at the Ramada Plaza Hotel & Inn Gateway in Kissimmee, Florida. Information is available at http://www.kwhs.org.


These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) (see the Contact page of the herald's website).


West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are now being published on the web, and are no longer available by subscription. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There are now both a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

Updates to the Armorial and Ordinary are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available in the United States by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.


The LoARs for November and December have been published. The cover letters, acceptances and returns can be found at http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

The Western acceptances from the November 2001 letter are given below - there were no Western returns. There were no Western submissions considered on the December letter.

Arianwen o Aberystwyth. Device. Per pale sable and argent, two rabbits sejant erect respectant counterchanged and a chief embattled Or.

Juliana dei Rossi. Name and device. Azure, a wolf sejant ululant and on a chief Or three double roses proper.

Submitted as Juliana de'Rossi, de' is an abbreviation for dei. As we do not register scribal abbreviations, we have spelled it out. Additionally, dei is a separate word from Rossi. We have made this correction.

Kaaren Håkonsdóttir. Device. Per chevron argent and Or, in base an estoile within an orle purpure.

Marielle de Rivage du Corbeau. Device change. Azure, in fess two weavers' shuttles palewise argent.

Her previous device, Azure, on a bend sinister argent, an arrow inverted sable, and in canton a mullet of four points argent, is released.

Mungo Mor. Name change from holding name Todd of Esfenn.

Submitted as Mungo Amadan Mor, it was changed to Cosmungo Amadan Mor at kingdom because Mungo was documented only as a nickname for the 6th C saint. Cornelian found evidence for the name Mungo in The Court Book of the Barony of Carnwath, 1523-1524, which includes:

The quhilk day my l[ord] foloit mungo morpet & Jhon vyld & Jhon anderson on the tane part & mungo lows on the toder part for the tylin of his grund with violent blud...

Cornelian notes this section as dating to 1525. This quote documents the name Mungo in the names mungo morpet and mungo lows. These examples are enough to support Mungo as a 16th C Scots masculine given name.

The submitter intended Amadan Mor to be a descriptive byname meaning 'the great fool'. Amadan was documented from a 19th C story and two dictionaries. None of these sources give any indication that the word amadan was used in Gaelic in period. Barring such evidence, it is not registerable as a name element. We have dropped the problematic element and are registering Mungo Mor, which was one of the submitter's acceptable alternatives listed on his form.

Rilint Neufang. Device. Per bend sable bezanty and vert, in base a hare rampant reguardant Or.

This does not conflict with Cornwall, Sable bezanty (important non-SCA arms). There is one CD for the changing the field. There is a second CD for adding the rabbit, because the rabbit is not in the same charge group as the bezants. "By current precedent, the semy charges must be in a separate group from all other charges (LoAR 7/01, Giraude Benet)."

Rodrigo Bernardez. Device. Per bend sinister argent and vert, a rat rampant sable and a hand argent.

Rosa di Marco. Name.

Good name!

Sabina le Grey. Name.

Good name!

Congratulations to all these gentles.

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSIONS - 10 March xxxvi (2002)


Alfred of Greyvale     (Silver Desert)      Name Registered 9/97, Resubmission to Kingdom of Badge

     Argent, in saltire a drinking horn and a feather, all within an orle, gules.

This submission fixes the problems in his previous submission, made in February. At that time, there were several issues with the coloration of the horn and the exact emblazon.

Aileth Gardiner     (Southern Shores)      New Name

Aileth can be found in Reaney & Wilson p. 20 under Aylett and dated to 1086 and 1207. Gardiner is also in R&W, p. 183 under Gardener, dated to 1166 and 1292.

Danil Batory     (Golden Rivers)      New Name

Danil is found in "Polish Given Names in Nawiska Polako/w" by Walraven van Nijmegen on the St. Gabriel website. Batory is found on the Polish Nobility Association - The Jagiellon Dynasty, as in Stefan Batory, Prince of Transylvania and King of Poland (1576 - 1586).

Emelisse de Loupey     (Winter's Gate)      New Name and Device

     Vert, on a pale between in chief two ivy leaves argent, a bee sable marked Or.

Emelisse is found in "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census" of Paris compiled by Colm Dubh. Loupey is found in "French Names from Two Thirteenth Century Chronicles" as compiled by Arval Benicoeur. The use of the locative connector de is standard French name formation.

Maud de Clayton     (Vinhold)      New Name and Device

     Azure, an escallop inverted within a double tressure argent.

Maud is found in Withycombe, p. 212-213, and dated to 1314. de Clayton is found in Reaney & Wilson, p. 99, dated to 1332.

Oriana the Meek     (Ravenshore)      Name Registered 10/91 (East), Device Resubmission to Kingdom

     Argent, a fireball between three table-cut sapphires proper.

This was submitted in January, but the sapphires were much too small. This drawing corrects that problem.


Brendan McNeill     (Fettburg)      Name Returned 02/02, Device Returned

     Vert, three escutcheons Or.

His name submission, Brendan McNeill, was submitted in February and was in conflict with Brendan ap Niall, registered in October 1984 in the West. He did not submit a new name yet.

This device appears to be clear of conflict (and is a classic design), but it cannot be forwarded to Laurel without a name submission and we are not allowed to formulate a holding name at the kingdom level.

Danil Batory     (Golden Rivers)      Device Returned

     Quarterly gules and argent, two red-winged blackbirds close proper.

The device is in conflict with Elspeth MacTaggart, Quarterly vert and Argent, in bend sinister two falcons belled sable. The submitter's first permitted change is to swap sable for gules on the field. This does not clear the conflict. The second permitted change is "charge of blackbird" which gives no indication of what to change.

While the red-wing blackbird may be an acceptable charge, a European blackbird or raven would be better.

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