Minutes of the July, 2002 Herald's Meeting

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At Purgatorio, Gaius M.L. Auklandus will assume the office of Vesper Principal Herald and Mary Elizabeth Fairweather will enjoy her well-earned retirement. The Greencloak position will be taken by Magnus Zwerver, currently Seawolf Herald for the Mists. At Mists Coronet, the Seawolf position will be transferred to Marguerite du Royon.

MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING - 21 July xxxvii (2002)

The meeting was held on Sunday, 21 July 2002, at Eilis’ house in Berkeley. The meeting started at 12:45pm and ended at 4:15pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Mary Elizabeth Fairweather, Vesper; Gaius M.L. Auklandus, Compline/Greencloak; Astrid of Swansvale, Latimer; Frederick of Holland, Brachet; Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasfryn, Harpy; Walraven von Nijmegen, Nebuly; Teleri Tawel, Pursuivant for Crosston; Felix MacAvady, Pursuivant for Sainte Katherine; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, PaL; Wilhelm von Homburg, PE at Large; Antonio Giordano da Sicilia, Sable Swan Deputy/Cornet; Annakah of Scammond on Grove, Cornet; and Eilis O’Boirne, Matins.


The upcoming meetings are: September 8, October 20, November 24, January 5, February 9, March 9, April 13, May 18, and June 8. Meetings are generally held at the home of Eilis O'Boirne, 2322 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Call for directions. Meetings start at noon. Note that there is no meeting scheduled for August or December of 2002!

ANYONE WITH WALK-IN SUBMISSIONS SHOULD CONTACT MATINS IN ADVANCE. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location (which is the fancy way of saying that we haven't moved them yet ...).

We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an e-mail list, names@synergy.transbay.net. The Names list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please contact Felix MacAvady at ha.raschid@sinewave.com.

Please send all correspondence (submissions, queries, etc.) to the address at the top of this letter! Please do NOT send submissions to Vesper or to any other member of the College.

The meetings now include instruction for voice heralds. If there is anyone present who wants to work on voice heraldry, the voice classes, conducted by Gaius Auklandus, the Greencloak Herald, will start as soon as the announcements portion of the meeting is concluded. Pass the word to anyone interested in learning field and duty heraldry - the meetings aren't just for book heralds any more!


HERALDS' COLLEGIUM: The next Heralds' Collegium is scheduled for November 23, in Hercules. The meeting on the following day will be in Berkeley. This session will focus on the structure of the College and the submission process, book heraldry and conflict research, and court heraldry.

The current plan is to have the day’s events in Hercules - bring contributions for a lunch potluck, break for dinner somewhere between Hercules and Berkeley, and have a revel in Berkeley.

The Spring Heralds’ Collegium is scheduled for March 8, the day before the March meeting - it will focus on voice heraldry and the mechanics of running field heraldry at an event.

SUBMISSION FORMS: The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following the appropriate links at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.htm#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins at the above address. Current submission fees are $10 per name, $10 per device, $10 per badge. There is no fee for resubmission. Submissions require 3 copies of the name form and documentation, 4 colored copies of the device form, and 3 colored copies of the badge form, as applicable.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please contact Matins at baroness_eilis@juno.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including West Kingdom submission forms, the Laurel home page, the on-line armorial and ordinary search and The Academy of St. Gabriel (a heraldic consultation service). Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis at baroness_eilis@juno.com -- answers may take a few days.


These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Brachet Herald, Frederick of Holland (Fred Hollander) at 510-653-3652.


West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are now being published on the web, and are no longer available by subscription. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.htm. There are now both a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

Updates to the Armorial and Ordinary are available from Free Trumpet Press West along with other useful heraldic publications. Write for a free price list. The address is Free Trumpet Press West, 1613 N. School St. Normal, IL 61761-1240.

A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism (by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio) is available in the United States by sending $15 to Bruce Miller, 1711 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, (310) 379-1321.


The LoAR for April 2002 has been published. The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by Lord Laurel, please be sure to visit the site.

The acceptances for the West from the Laurel April meeting were as follows:

Adriana Tacita. Name and device. Per pale purpure and Or, two oars counterchanged.

Agnarr Þorvaldsson. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Agnarr Thorvaldsson, this name was submitted as Agnar Thorvald and changed at kingdom because the submitter requested authenticity for "Viking Age time period". To meet his request for authenticity, we have modified the byname to a form appropriate for that time and culture.

Alail Horsefriend. Badge. (Fieldless) A horse rampant contourny argent.

Celestina Ambrosini. Name and device. Purpure, a decrescent and on a chief wavy argent three mullets of six points purpure.

The miniature emblazon on the LoI had mullets of eight points, rather than of six points as in the LoI blazon and on the submitter's form. The number of possible pieces of armory in which the change of type of tertiary charges from mullets of eight points to mullets of six points might make a difference is extremely small. We have therefore checked for conflict on this limited case. Since neither the commentary mentioned a conflict nor did we find a conflict, this may be registered rather than pended.

Constance de Lancray. Name and device. Argent, a demi-sun gules issuant from a ford proper.

There was some question regarding whether de Lancray was a plausible construction. Orle found that "Morlet [Dictionnaire étymologique de noms de famille] s.n. Lancret gives it as a variation of Lancray (Nievre) of Montigny-sur-Canne and Lancroy from 1289." This entry also dates the form Lancret to 1689. Given this information, de Lancray is plausible.

The submitter requested authenticity for 14th to 15th C French. As the College found no forms of Lancray dated to her desired time period, and found no examples of the name Constance in French in period, we were unable to make this name authentic for her desired time and culture.

Geneviève de Vendome. Name change from Geneviéve de la Mer Bleue.

Her previous name, Geneviéve de la Mer Bleue, is released.

Hauoc Bender. Name change from Hauoc of House Bender.

His previous name, Hauoc of House Bender, is released.

Penne Dering. Name.

Sorcha Fhionn inghean uí Ruairc. Name and device. Azure, a dragon passant to sinister between three compass stars Or.

This name was originally submitted as Sorcha Brigit O'Roarke and changed to the submitter's preferred alternate form at kingdom because both Sorcha and Brigit were documented as Gaelic feminine given names and two given names in Gaelic has been reason for return in the past.

The LoI stated that "[t]he submitter added the second name to avoid conflict with: Sorcha inghean ui Ruairc (Mar.99, East)". If the LoI meant that the submitter originally wished to submit Sorcha O'Roarke and added Brigit to clear a conflict with Sorcha inghean ui Ruairc, then she may wish to know that Sorcha O'Roarke is clear of Sorcha inghean ui Ruairc according to the ruling regarding Gaelic particles in the cover letter for this LoAR.

There was some confusion about the element Fhionn in the name Sorcha Fhionn inghean uí Ruairc. In this name, Fhionn is used as a descriptive byname meaning 'fair' and is used to refer to hair color or complexion.

Valentine Hawkes. Name.

There were no returns.

In Service,

Matins Herald

SUBMISSIONS - 21 July xxxvii (2002)


Colin MacLear     (Crosston)     Name Registered 6/90 Caid; Device Registered 7/91 East; New Badge

Argent, two seahorses combattant azure.

Elspeth the Semstress of Dunkeld     (Southern Shores)     Name and Device Registered 8/96 Outlands; New Device Change
Bendy sinister of six azure and argent, in bend six roses alternately argent and gules barbed and seeded proper.

Her previous device, Or, two needles in saltire sable between flaunches purpure, is to be released.

Erich der Helmschmied     (Darkwood) New Name; see Returns for Device

Erich is found in vol. 1 of Seibicke’s Historisches Deutsches Vornamenbuch, p.667. This particular spelling shows up in citations from 14th c. Quedlinburg and 1293 in Mecklenburg. Helmschmied is the header spelling found in Brechenmacher, p.694; the cited period forms are Helmsmit (1384) and Helmsmid (1416). The name is in the form “‘given name’ the ‘occupational surname’”, which is documented on p.539 of Brechenmacher at Schmiedkönlein; Konr. der Schmied is dated to 1424.

Grímr Eiríksson     (Golden Rivers)     New Name and Device

Sable, on a pale cotised Or, three anchors sable.

The name is documented from Geirr Bassi’s The Old Norse Name; Grímr is on p.10, Eiríkr is on p.9, the patronymic is formed correctly and is discussed on p.17.

Jean d’Esledes     (Mountains Gate) New Name; see Returns for Device

Jean is documented from the Essex Feet of Fines as a male name. Esledes is the Domesday Book form given in Ekwall, p.293 at Leeds.

Magge Nettlewood     (Vinhold)     New Name and Device

Per bend sinister argent and azure, a bat-winged frog segreant to sinister vert holding an unrolled scroll argent.

Magge is taken from Talan Gwynek’s 1994 article Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames - she documented this with a printout from the Saint Gabriel site. Nettlewood is a constructed surname; there are several surnames beginning in Nettle- given on p.338-339 of Ekwall as being connected with the nettle plant and -wood is a standard English place-name suffix. Our botanically-abled people inform me that nettles DO grow in woods and that it is VERY possible to have a woods thoroughly infested with nettles.

Margery Garret     (Winters Gate)     New Name; see Returns for Device

Margery is cited to 1440 in this spelling on p.207 of Withycombe at Margery. Garret is on p.184-185 of Reaney at Garrad; Garrat and Garrett are cited to 1553-5 and this spelling falls between them. The submitter cites a 1560 monumental brass for Robert Garret, rector and notary public, Kent.

Rose of Edgewood Castle     (Crystalmist)     Name and Device Resubmission to Kingdom

Per bend sinister purpure and argent, two roses counterchanged.

Her previous submission was under the name Fidelia Rose of Edgewood Castle in April 2002.

Rose is cited in this spelling to 1316 on p.258 of Withycombe. Edgewood is a reasonable construction; see Edgeworth on p.160 of Ekwall for use of Edge- as a placename element meaning “by an edge or hillside”, which could easily be combined with -wood. Naming a castle for its nearby village is a common practice in England --- Leeds Castle is a good example of this practice.

Sarah Wydville     (Golden Rivers)     New Name

The name is documented by the Academy of Saint Gabriel. Withycombe (p.263-264) states that Sarah became the usual spelling after the Reformation. Wydville is a form of Woodville, the family name of Elizabeth Woodville, wife of Edward IV. We have included the Academy documentation for Laurel.


Cassandra of Crosston     (Crosston)     Name Registered 2/02; Device Resubmission to Kingdom Returned

Argent, a dragon in annulo azure, a bordure sable.

The device is too similar to the device which was registered in August 2001 for Evet Drachenklaue: Argent, a dragon segreant azure within a bordure sable. This device has only shown up in the new research book (Ordinary) that we received since our last meeting. We will suggest reversing the colors, which appears to make a submission free of conflict.

Erich der Helmschmied     (Darkwood)     New Device Returned

Argent, on a flame sable two hammers in saltire argent.

The device is too similar to a badge registered to Aonghais Dubh MacTarbh: Argent, a flame sable voided Or and with a badge registered to Rodrigo de los Lobos: Argent, on a wolf’s pawprint sable a crescent argent. His first alternate, adding a chief, is too similar to a device registered to Arthur of the Serpentine Trail: Argent, on flames of fire gules, a tower argent, a chief enarched sable. His second alternate, reversing the colors, is too similar to a device registered to Karl von Morgenstern: Sable, on a flame argent, a sword sable, a bordure embattled argent. We will suggest Sable, two hammers in saltire and a chief rayonny argent, which appears to make a submission free of conflict.

Jean d’Esledes     (Mountains Gate)     New Device Returned

Azure, a wolfhound rampant within a bordure embattled Or.

The device is too similar to Rognvaldr Byrgisheradingr: Azure, a wolf salient and a base engrailed Or. His first change, a chief embattled instead of a bordure, does not change the conflict. His second change, with two wolfhounds, is too similar to the device registered to Connor Buchanan: Azure, a bicorporate lion within a bordure dovetailed Or. His final change, with a plain bordure, is too similar to Rognvaldris device.

He also sent money for a badge, but the submitted badge was identical to the submitted device. We will consult with the submittor to design a device and badge which will be acceptable.

Liesel Frau Helmschmied     (Darkwood)     New Name and Device Returned

Sable, on a sun argent, a decrescent sable, a chief argent.

Liesel is, unfortunately, a modern name. Seibicke’s Historisches Deutsches Vornamenbuch gives the earliest citations of Liesel as from 1906 and that of Liesl for a woman born 1892 (but it was a stage name --her "real" given name was Elisabeth). There are several other variants including forms of this diminutive (e.g. Lieselore, Lieselott) and all are 20th century citations only. The only possible hint that the form might have been in use earlier is a reference to the Pfalzgrafin Elisabeth Charlotte (born 1618) as Lieselotte, but this is more likely Liese+Lotte rather than Liesel+Lotte. (The earliest citation for Liese is 1740 and for Lotte is 1753.) Helmschmied is the header spelling found in Etymologisches Wörterbuch der Deutschen Familiennamen by Brechenmacher, p.694; the cited period forms are Helmsmit (1384) and Helmsmid (1416). We were not able to document the form “Liesel Frau (wife of) Helmschmied” from the sources available to us. Since we cannot document the given name to period or document the form of the surname, this has to be returned.

The device is too similar to the device registered to Stuart of Lindley: Azure, a sun eclipsed sable, a chief argent and Cynedd ap Gwen: Sable, a sun eclipsed within a bordure argent. Her first alternate, with three crescents on the chief, is too similar to the device registered to Daryl of Avallon: Sable, a sun and on a chief argent, three pheons sable. Her second alternate, removing the chief, is too similar to the device registered to Rathnar Blaiddgwyn: Sable, a wolf’s head cabossed within a sun eclipsed argent. In this case, consultation will be needed since there is no “easy” fix to the problems.

Margery Garret     (Winter's Gate)     New Device Returned

Sable, a chevron gules fimbriated between two keys, wards to chief, in saltire and a crescent argent.

The device is too similar to the device registered to ‘Abd al-Mahdi Jamal ibn Hakim: Sable, a chevron gules fimbriated between three lions rampant argent. Her first alternate, with the field per chevron sable and gules and the chevron argent, is too similar to the device of William of Greyland: Per chevron sable and gules, a chevron between in chief two lions rampant addorsed and in base an eagle displayed argent. Her third alternate, changing the crescent to an estoile, is also too similar to ‘Abd al-Mahdi’s device.

In addition, the only way this device really “works” is to have the keys crossed very near the tips. This is not really period heraldic style - perhaps this stylistic matter can be addressed in any resubmission. We will contact the submittor about a redesign.

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